Black Adam and Captain Marvel Vs Thanos and The Champion

Started by Philosophía9 pages

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I figured as much... When you can't really counter the points.. this kinda post follows.
What points? The ones where you have absolutley no clue what I'm reffering to, not having read the story, or the part where you almost post a marvel bio, only dumber and less coherent?

Hey, at least I adressed one of your posts, laughing -- but still, which is more than quanchi can say for a long time. But don't worry, I won't do it again.

Originally posted by Philosophía
What points? The ones where you have absolutley no clue what I'm reffering to, not having read the story, or the part where you almost post a marvel bio, only dumber and less coherent?

Hey, at least I adressed one of your posts, laughing -- but still, which is more than quanchi can say for a long time. But don't worry, I won't do it again.

I know exactly what you are referring to and you up played the hell out of these two guys while you didn't post anyone they beat near Thanos' level. Most people also think it's humorous that you refuse to counter their points and abandon the debate. You are known for it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
am i the only one that sees the irony here?

Originally posted by Philosophía
What points? The ones where you have absolutley no clue what I'm reffering to, not having read the story, or the part where you almost post a marvel bio, only dumber and less coherent?

Hey, at least I adressed one of your posts, laughing -- but still, which is more than quanchi can say for a long time. But don't worry, I won't do it again.

Nope that isn't the part I'm referring to in the least... I'm referring to the part where I laid out exactly where Thanos is superior to either of these two characters. Listed many of the attributes that would be the most relevant in such an encounter. You see, that is the part where you counter with why my points are wrong, while making a case for why you feel the team wins. The problem is everything I said in my post is spot on, and you have no counter. Thus, we get the typical philo response when this happens. Claiming it's a waste of his time in your typical pretentious way. You see that may fool some people philo, but it doesn't fool me one bit. I know you can't counter or dispute all the ways that Thanos is superior, because then you would look like a bigger tool than you already do. So... this is the typical response when you're faced with such a situation. Trust me I'm not surprised in the least.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope that isn't the part I'm referring to in the least... I'm referring to the part where I laid out exactly where Thanos is superior to either of these two characters. Listed many of the attributes that would be the most relevant in such an encounter. You see, that is the part where you counter with why my points are wrong, while making a case for why you feel the team wins. The problem is everything I said in my post is spot on, and you have no counter. Thus, we get the typical philo response when this happens. Claiming it's a waste of his time in your typical pretentious way. You see that may fool some people philo, but it doesn't fool me one bit. I know you can't counter or dispute all the ways that Thanos is superior, because then you would look like a bigger tool than you already do. So... this is the typical response when you're faced with such a situation. Trust me I'm not surprised in the least.

So true 💃

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nope that isn't the part I'm referring to in the least... I'm referring to the part where I laid out exactly where Thanos is superior to either of these two characters. Listed many of the attributes that would be the most relevant in such an encounter. You see, that is the part where you counter with why my points are wrong, while making a case for why you feel the team wins. The problem is everything I said in my post is spot on, and you have no counter. Thus, we get the typical philo response when this happens. Claiming it's a waste of his time in your typical pretentious way. You see that may fool some people philo, but it doesn't fool me one bit. I know you can't counter or dispute all the ways that Thanos is superior, because then you would look like a bigger tool than you already do. So... this is the typical response when you're faced with such a situation. Trust me I'm not surprised in the least.
Pretty much.

Thanos solos. If Thanos was limited to his fists and nothing else, then I would say he'd lose to Black Adam and Captain Marvel.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Captain Marvel has stood up to Spectre (heh), been turned inside out, Black Adam had a football field teleported inside his head etc. Thanos may be more durable, but certainly not 'much' durable. What else, blasting Galactus? Black Adam has gone through Spectre's head. Teth certainly has battle performances against various opponents to compete with Thanos (against JSA, for example) or high-feats (ripping Amazo's head off). Billy has stalemated many of JLA's big guns while weakened (one of his hands was broken) and manhandled J'onn after being fully healed etc.
Not to mention superior speed, magical amped punches.
You see your using higher end feat of BA and CM to justify what they can do. Thanos is a team killer with the same token I can say Surfer has taken blast from opponents that are more powerful than Thanos etc which is the case. The point is whenever Thanos has ever faced anyone in the Herald level characters he simply beats them up rather easily. Not only that his whole career he has consistently owned top tier characters. Thor, Surfer, Stalemate WM Thor with PG temporally it’s not that he just beats them he has done that with extreme ease in the past. I believe even his weaker clones have defeated the likes of Thor, Surfer rather easily and they both have a list of end duality feats that can be presented that are similar to those you listed for BA , CM.

And Thanos is much more durability than BA , CM few showing of the extreme high end of durability doesn’t change anything. If you look at any character all have their moments. A good way to judge his durability is Tyrant, Odin , Galactus examples where he actually manage to not get K.O in a blast or two while people at BA , CM get one shot K.O

Originally posted by kgkg
You see your using higher end feat of BA and CM to justify what they can do.

Originally posted by kgkg
A good way to judge his durability is Tyrant, Odin , Galactus examples where he actually manage to not get K.O in a blast or two while people at BA , CM get one shot K.O
Heh.

I used Captain Marvel withstanding a beating from the Spectre simply to get the discussion pass the inevitable point where you'd bring up Thanos going up against Odin as means of proving he is far superior to them--which is exactly what you did in your post, while saying I'm using the highest feats in order to portray them as better than they are. Double standards/hypocrisy is amusing, though.

You want to use the 'team-wrecker' argument, no problem. Black Adam is established as one of the highest order, taking teams composed of heavy-hitters en-masse, and I'm not talking just about WWIII.

What is the most important part is that you're simply missing the bigger picture. This is Thanos against both of them simultaneously, not separatley. So while you could succesfully argue that Thanos is more impressive than either of them, it's simply not enough to say he could beat them at the same time.

Furthermore, in a forum environment, they have what the other opponents Thanos encountered didn't display--speed. That and superior numbers account for most of the physical and energy attacks. So they won't just run into blasts or punches, and they'll definitley use everything they have to the their advantage.

Name me the instances where BA has displayed his vaunted "team wrecker" ability. I want to know exactly which instances your referring to and what the end result was.

You saying Thanos, on a forum environment, would be facing something he hasn't before.. namely speed. It's funny because he has a very specific incident where he dealt with speed and a bumrush with ease. However, couldn't we also say... in a forum environment Thanos would be using abilities and powers he also rarely displays in comic battles? It works both ways Philo, or did you forget that part.

Address all the attributes that I listed in which Thanos is their superior, and list for me the attributes they are superior in.

Do you believe either BA or CM are above PG Thor? If not, then explain why a force block wouldn't end this fight before it even got started. Oooo that right... TH3 SP33d FTW!!!

Let me guess... you're going to come back with your typical pretentious fake persona that you love exhibiting on the forum and say you don't have the time... Please amuse me some more little philo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Name me the instances where BA has displayed his vaunted "team wrecker" ability. I want to know exactly which instances your referring to and what the end result was.

You saying Thanos, on a forum environment, would be facing something he hasn't before.. namely speed. It's funny because he has a very specific incident where he dealt with speed and a bumrush with ease. However, couldn't we also say... in a forum environment Thanos would be using abilities and powers he also rarely displays in comic battles? It works both ways Philo, or did you forget that part.

Address all the attributes that I listed in which Thanos is their superior, and list for me the attributes they are superior in.

Do you believe either BA or CM are above PG Thor? If not, then explain why a force block wouldn't end this fight before it even got started. Oooo that right... TH3 SP33d FTW!!!

Let me guess... you're going to come back with your typical pretentious fake persona that you love exhibiting on the forum and say you don't have the time... Please amuse me some more little philo.

Where is gay Bada when one needs to close a spite thread?... 😕

Thanos solos

Originally posted by nicamarvin
Where is gay Bada when one needs to close a spite thread?... 😕

Actually it's not a spite Thread. Team two has to work hard to win, yeah they win but anyway.
I'm not impressed by the Champion, i think no one is but as an elder he should get some vs respect, though honestly, each one from Team 1 could beat him (without the gem) for an majority imo.
And no, Thanos won't solo those two. He is the reason team two wins but he wouldn't solo those two.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Heh.

I used Captain Marvel withstanding a beating from the Spectre simply to get the discussion pass the inevitable point where you'd bring up Thanos going up against Odin as means of proving he is far superior to them--which is exactly what you did in your post, while saying I'm using the highest feats in order to portray them as better than they are. Double standards/hypocrisy is amusing, though.

Hypocrisy? And I bet you’re serious here. CM withstanding a beating from Spectre is extremely high end durability feat for CM and is nowhere near the same thing as Thanos surviving Odin. Not hard to comprehend really. It’s like me pulling a Spiderman survived a cosmic threat like say Omega to justify he has close to Thanos level durability.

Let me break it down again for you.
Thanos takes blast from the likes of Surfer without even flinching.
Thanos has taken shot from Genis with no ill effect.
Thanos’s weaker clones have stop Mjöllnir with a wave of his hand.
Thanos has stop Thor with a wave of his hand and tanked the entire Avengers.
There has never been a time were a top tier character was able to K.O or even hurt Thanos seriously. Most of Thanos showing has him beating/tanking marvel top tiers with “ease”.

Thanos is always portrayed to be a level beyond marvel top tiers in almost any category.

Thanos has shown to be much more durable than the likes of Surfer , Thor , Genis etc so for CM and BM to be close to Thanos's durability you must either think

1>BA , CM are vastly more durable than Marvel top tiers. If you do think this is the case than pick either character and I will show you how wrong that opinion is.

2>Or that Thanos is not much more durable than say Thor, Hulk, Surfer etc… Which is wrong also wrong when you have seen the upper limit of Thanos’s durability

Thanos solos. The thought of either BA and CM beating Thanos is ridiculous. You'd need BA and CM's highest feat to stay competitive to Thanos' everyday feats.

We've seen Thanos walk all over heralds and top tiers. What I haven't seen is a top tier or herald beat Thanos.

Add Supes and WW and Thanos still solos

Originally posted by kgkg
Hypocrisy? And I bet you’re serious here. CM withstanding a beating from Spectre is extremely high end durability feat for CM and is nowhere near the same thing as Thanos surviving Odin. Not hard to comprehend really. It’s like me pulling a Spiderman survived a cosmic threat like say Omega to justify he has close to Thanos level durability.

Let me break it down again for you.
Thanos takes blast from the likes of Surfer without even flinching.
Thanos has taken shot from Genis with no ill effect.
Thanos’s weaker clones have stop Mjöllnir with a wave of his hand.
Thanos has stop Thor with a wave of his hand and tanked the entire Avengers.
There has never been a time were a top tier character was able to K.O or even hurt Thanos seriously. Most of Thanos showing has him beating/tanking marvel top tiers with “ease”.

Thanos is always portrayed to be a level beyond marvel top tiers in almost any category.

Thanos has shown to be much more durable than the likes of Surfer , Thor , Genis etc so for CM and BM to be close to Thanos's durability you must either think

1>BA , CM are vastly more durable than Marvel top tiers. If you do think this is the case than pick either character and I will show you how wrong that opinion is.

2>Or that Thanos is not much more durable than say Thor, Hulk, Surfer etc… Which is wrong also wrong when you have seen the upper limit of Thanos’s durability

You're criticizing me for using a high-end feat for Captain Marvel -- withstanding an extended beatdown from Spectre -- while you're doing the same thing with Thanos --taking a beating from Odin, a high-end skyfather-- and trying to pass it down as applicable for him. Your argument twoards this stance is, well... that he withstands attacks from herald-levelers, so that is obviously not a high feat. The latter comparison with Spiderman makes this stance pass on in the realm of funny.

Black Adam has no-sold Dr Fate and then easily dismissed him.
He has ripped Amazo's head off.
Has repeatedly gone up against JSA's roster. He has fought and beaten teams composed of Sentinel, Power Girl, Jay Garrick, Hawkman and others.
Suffice to say, he's had his share of going against high powered opponents and coming out victorious. As for Captain Marvel, besides the aforementioned withstanding being turned inside out and reverting back to normal and taking heralds en-masse while having his arm broke, he's also plowed through 5th dimensional energy to the amazement of somebody like Alan Scott.

But you're missing the most significant part of my post:

Originally posted by Philosophía
What is the most important part is that you're simply missing the bigger picture. This is Thanos against both of them simultaneously, not separatley. So while you could succesfully argue that Thanos is more impressive than either of them, it's simply not enough to say he could beat them at the same time.

Furthermore, in a forum environment, they have what the other opponents Thanos encountered didn't display--speed. That and superior numbers account for most of the physical and energy attacks. So they won't just run into blasts or punches, and they'll definitley use everything they have to the their advantage.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're criticizing me for using a high-end feat for Captain Marvel -- withstanding an extended beatdown from Spectre -- while you're doing the same thing with Thanos --taking a beating from Odin, a high-end skyfather-- and trying to pass it down as applicable for him. Your argument twoards this stance is, well... that he withstands attacks from herald-levelers, so that is obviously not a high feat. The latter comparison with Spiderman makes this stance pass on in the realm of funny.

Black Adam has no-sold Dr Fate and then easily dismissed him.
He has ripped Amazo's head off.
Has repeatedly gone up against JSA's roster. He has fought and beaten teams composed of Sentinel, Power Girl, Jay Garrick, Hawkman and others.
Suffice to say, he's had his share of going against high powered opponents and coming out victorious. As for Captain Marvel, besides the aforementioned withstanding being turned inside out and reverting back to normal and taking heralds en-masse while having his arm broke, he's also plowed through 5th dimensional energy to the amazement of somebody like Alan Scott.

But you're missing the most significant part of my post:

That was the best you can do little Philo... LOL. I expected better, yet not surprised this is all you can come up with. Neither BA nor CM treat heralds the way Thanos does and always has. Let me know when thanos takes a lose to heralds.. while we know BA and CM have those on their records.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You're criticizing me for using a high-end feat for Captain Marvel -- withstanding an extended beatdown from Spectre -- while you're doing the same thing with Thanos --taking a beating from Odin, a high-end skyfather-- and trying to pass it down as applicable for him. Your argument twoards this stance is, well... that he withstands attacks from herald-levelers, so that is obviously not a high feat. The latter comparison with Spiderman makes this stance pass on in the realm of funny.

Black Adam has no-sold Dr Fate and then easily dismissed him.
He has ripped Amazo's head off.
Has repeatedly gone up against JSA's roster. He has fought and beaten teams composed of Sentinel, Power Girl, Jay Garrick, Hawkman and others.
Suffice to say, he's had his share of going against high powered opponents and coming out victorious. As for Captain Marvel, besides the aforementioned withstanding being turned inside out and reverting back to normal and taking heralds en-masse while having his arm broke, he's also plowed through 5th dimensional energy to the amazement of somebody like Alan Scott.

But you're missing the most significant part of my post:

Context, context, context.

Captain Marvel survived because he was being fed a lot of magical energy. He was fed more than the Spectre even possessed. The funny thing is you use an amp as some sort of justification why Marvel can take on Thanos. When the Spectre caught up with Marvel he easily ko'd him later. Marvel is nothing next to the Spectre and without the amp he had he would have been treated like the nonfactor he was.

Thanos>Dr. Fate. Amazo which had no feats as to suggest why that's an impressive feat which by the way in the same arc Black Adam couldn't do more than tickle Prime.

Again at his best he's imo a peer to Superman. I don't think he loses the majority but he's in the same league as the Thor's, the Surfer's, and the Superman's of the fictional world. Thanos isn't.

Thanos at his worst beats the snot out of these guys. You can handicap Thanos and use his worst showings while using their best and they still don't win. He'd beat them simply for sport.

To be fair, CM did take a lot of the Spectre's asskicking before Enchantress even amped him. He was bloody beyond recognition, but even Spectre commented on how much effort Marvel was putting up against him.