Black Adam and Captain Marvel Vs Thanos and The Champion

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rage was near to what I think Philo was saying.

If you use Thanos high feats(like taking Odin, Tyrant..etc), then we use High feats that Superman/BA/CM have. Get it?

Fine. Let's take those feats out.

Only feats I'll use are his average. On average, he stomps Surfer, Drax, Adam Warlock, Thor, and Hulk. He beats them down hard. There's little showings of him loosing to a top tier.

Now, your turn. Show me either BA or CM consistently beating down top tiers with little to no lose against them.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thing added absolutely nothing to that confrontation and you know that. Previously thing punched Thanos in the chest, and Thanos did not even seem to even acknowledge the hit. He then one shots Thing with a punch.
What do you mean floored him for a great length of time? Was there a retelling of the fight I missed? In that Annual, Thanos blasts Thor and says a few more would have Thor down. In the next scene, about 3 pages later, Thor is on his knee and is seemingly getting up.

Then on another page Thanos knocks thing away, Thor then staggers Thanos with a hammer blow, then they hit Thanos together which puts Thanos on the floor to which he then hits them both with his eye beams which puts Thing down and another puts Thor down. 3 pages later Thor is still on his knees at Thanos mercy and is only saved by Warlocks arrival.(And all this was a far weaker pre res version of Thanos.

Sneak attacked him? The only time Thanos might have not seen Thor coming is from his first attack against Thanos which was the hammer throw and even at that moment, no other heroes were attacking Thanos. Thanos was standing there right after killing Namor and She-Hulk. The next time Thor attacks Thanos, he does it straight up. The last time he attacks him, Spider-Man kicked Thanos in the face but his an annoyance at best. Either way, Spider-Man even screams, his all yours Thor.

First time Thor attacks Thanos is (when he has just finished dealing with Namor/She Hulk)with with a hammer throw(if Thanos wasnt distracted he would have easily stopped it like he has done before)

Second time Thor attacks him head on, Thanos stops his hammer mid air, Thor then punches him knocking him slightly off balance,Thanos easily dodges his next punch and then flings him into space.

Third time Spidey webs his eyes whilst he is talking to Terraxia, Spidey then kicks him,Thor then attacks him whilst he cant see.

Which time? In Infinity Gauntlet, he teleported it. In Captain Marvel he stopped it with either telekinesis or with a force field.

I think the main problem is that we're using a feat where Thor one shots Thanos, in a comic where Thanos was playing with heroes. 😐

Later without the IG, Thor hammer throws Thanos and only causes him to go backwards and this goes into Thanos' plans of making him look dead, and he teleports away.

In other words. Thor KO's Thanos with IG. But his hammer throw only helps Thanos without it... in the same arc.

What? Thor knocks Thanos away, far, far away with that hammer throw, but Thanos used that to his advantage by causing the dud detonation and escape. We never saw how that hammer throw affected Thanos or what happened during those momenets as far as I can tell.

He was giving them a fighting chance is all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
When all the Avengers confront Thanos he sends them all flying at once with a couple of hits.

Thanos knocks Thor over him while Thor was in mid air. Doesn't mean anything at all. Thor was up immediately.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Then on another page Thanos knocks thing away, Thor then staggers Thanos with a hammer blow, then they hit Thanos together which puts Thanos on the floor to which he then hits them both with his eye beams which puts Thing down and another puts Thor down. 3 pages later Thor is still on his knees at Thanos mercy and is only saved by Warlocks arrival.(And all this was a far weaker pre res version of Thanos.

Like I said. Thing must have added absolutely nothing to that punch. Thanos didn't even notice it previously. Highlighting the fact that they did it together implies as if Thing had some kind of significant contribution to that.

Where was Thor put down by the second blast from Thanos? Thor was still on his feet when the second blast hit. Thanos even said, a few more would be needed to have him join the Thing. Thor was getting up and the never showed Thanos towering over Thor, having the advantage over him or anything. Although it is true Thanos should have had the advantage. That is not something I ever disputed. I acknowledge Thanos has gotten upgrades.

Originally posted by Nihilist
First time Thor attacks Thanos is (when he has just finished dealing with Namor/She Hulk)with with a hammer throw(if Thanos wasnt distracted he would have easily stopped it like he has done before)

Distracted with what? Namor and She-Hulk were dead. He had never stopped the hammer under his own power at that time as I recall. His only done that once, during the Captain Marvel incident.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Second time Thor attacks him head on, Thanos stops his hammer mid air, Thor then punches him knocking him slightly off balance,Thanos easily dodges his next punch and then flings him into space.

He uses a portal to teleport the hammer. That is different then stopping it in mid air.

I thought the second punch hit, but then Thanos used the Infinity Gauntlet and was able to fling Thor into space. I say he used the Gauntlet because it started to glow when he easily grabbed Thor. And he was taken aback. Not slightly knocked off blanace.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Third time Spidey webs his eyes whilst he is talking to Terraxia, Spidey then kicks him,Thor then attacks him whilst he cant see.

Lol, I completely missed that. I'll give you that. His eyes were webbed when it happened. I thought he removed them, because when we see Thanos get up, the webs were gone. Reduces the showing for Thor. At the very least, Thanos had some warning. Spider-Man yells, his all yours Thor.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Captain Marvel he stopped Thors hammer using TK, if it was a force field the hammer would of bounced off and not dropped dead in its tracks, and you can tell by the shape of the air wave the hammer cause going through the air, the pattern was inverted, Thanos shields have never once looked like that.

Meh. I can believe it was either one to be honest.

I just said that.

And it obviously didn't KO him, as you know, he teleported and all. It should have though if we're on the logic of Thor KO'ing Thanos with a hammer throw. 😐

Originally posted by Blanket
I just said that.

And it obviously didn't KO him, as you know, he teleported and all. It should have though if we're on the logic of Thor KO'ing Thanos with a hammer throw. 😐

Whoever said that the original throw knocked out Thanos? I always assumed it stunned him and never assumed that it knocked him out, so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Whoever said that the original throw knocked out Thanos? I always assumed it stunned him and never assumed that it knocked him out, so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

I'm saying that the arc contradicts itself that much.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos has beaten Thor only once with his own abilities, and that was not easy. And not what I'd consider regular either, seeing Thor's confrontations with Thanos later on.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So much wrong with this post where to begin really.

First off the only reason Marvel lasted with the Spectre was because of an amp which put him way over the top. Why you would bring up an amped version as proof he can hang with Thanos is beyond me. I see why you don't post often.

Do you think thoroughly decimating the Surfer who is more durable than either character counts a legit showing to prove how out of their league they are here.

Black adam also didn't damage the Spectre and we've seen ring wielders effect the Spectre just the same though it was nothing significant. Galactus was trying to destroy Thanos and taxed himself while the Spectre let Black Adam off the hook. He didn't all out blast him did he?

Ripping off a featless amazo during infinite crisis as proof he can hang with Thanos? The same arc where Prime was being tickled by his punches? 😂

Shields, reflexes, tk, etc. Adam used his speed in a fight how many times yet you argue he does it every time here? Forcreblock and shields since you want to go cbr to give the dc guys a chance.

Not saying that they will win but CM did pretty good before the amp considering who he was fighting.

Originally posted by Q99
Personally I think it's hard to put them above. They draw against Superman... in part due to magic advantage. Wonder Woman is an even match with Billy in strength (though she can use the lasso to win). J'onn has thrown down with them on roughly even terms too (like at the beginning of JLI).

That's the way I always saw the Marvel/Superman comparison, tbh. Him being magic doesn't make his strikes any more damaging to Superman unless they're specifically charged with magic energy. He's portrayed as being damn near close to Superman on a pure physical aspect and without directly using magic. When he does use his amped fists or the SHAZAM barrage is when he gains an actual advantage against Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's the way I always saw the Marvel/Superman comparison, tbh. Him being magic doesn't make his strikes any more damaging to Superman unless they're specifically charged with magic energy. He's portrayed as being damn near close to Superman on a pure physical aspect and without directly using magic. When he does use his amped fists or the SHAZAM barrage is when he gains an actual advantage against Superman.

Originally posted by Blanket
The fact that he's out on the ground... If regular Thanos was as 'stunned' as IG Thanos was, then he wouldn't have been able to teleport away.

I'm saying that the arc contradicts itself that much.

I always thought that he was just stunned. At best a temporarily knock out. It didn't last long.

😬 We don't know what happened at all in that situation. The Thor throw had Thanos flying off his feet far, far away. Far all we know, he barely regained enough sense to teleport away in the last moment. It's speculation either way.

Not really. You are trying to make the arc contradict itself but we don't have enough evidence to support it does.

This is the scene when he throws the hammer.

This is the scene when Thanos is shown to have survived.

It's not clear enough to say that the comic contradicted itself.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Twice. Once when Thor and Thing took on Thanos before his first death, in which he dealt with both pretty easily. One blast to KO Thing and three had Thor on his hands and knees. And then the PG Thor encounter you mentioned.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos has beaten Thor only once with his own abilities, and that was not easy. And not what I'd consider regular either, seeing Thor's confrontations with Thanos later on.

Once under his own abilities. In the Blood and Thunder scene he used the force block created by a gun.

And why do people call it easy? He was apparently not up to the challenge physically, resorted to energy attacks and still could not put Thor down.

Who said he hit Thor only once more? Thanos himself said a few more would have Thor join the Thing. I'm assuming he tried to put Thor down, and Thor would not stay down. Speculation either way though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Once under his own abilities. In the Blood and Thunder scene he used the force block created by a gun.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And why do people call it easy? He was apparently not up to the challenge physically, resorted to energy attacks and still could not put Thor down.

Who said he hit Thor only once more? Thanos himself said a few more would have Thor join the Thing. I'm assuming he tried to put Thor down, and Thor would not stay down. Speculation either way though.

Originally posted by D-Block
Not saying that they will win but CM did pretty good before the amp considering who he was fighting.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I haven't read the entire debate, but if someone is claiming what Jlx is saying then, sure Superman is Thanos' level if not higher with his feats, but only if we use high end showings. We don't. We average shit out.

You don't see me go around claiming, Thor is one shotting Abstract level beings, trapping people in near indestructible vortexes, sending opponents flying into the Sun, demolishing multiple High Herald beings and lifting infinite weight, beating up Skyfather level beings in their realms, laughing off blasts from a Galaxy busting Odin, draining people of their life forces etc.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rage was near to what I think Philo was saying.

If you use Thanos high feats(like taking Odin, Tyrant..etc), then we use High feats that Superman/BA/CM have. Get it?

Thor was a team wrecker when he had the power gem and Thanos took him on and was fighting him just for kicks. He ended Thor when he wanted to even though he knew he couldn't ko Thor because he was using the power gem he fought him anyway.

Originally posted by Spire
Well, no matter what anyone thinks of Thor in B&T, Thanos stalemated him.

However it was only in a slugfest...

Originally posted by Spire
Thor just H2H'd him. Also, it should be noted that when Thanos wanted to finish the fight, instead of dropping him with a punch or blast he went and force blocked him. 👇

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I always thought that he was just stunned. At best a temporarily knock out. It didn't last long.

😬 We don't know what happened at all in that situation. The Thor throw had Thanos flying off his feet far, far away. Far all we know, he barely regained enough sense to teleport away in the last moment. It's speculation either way.

Not really. You are trying to make the arc contradict itself but we don't have enough evidence to support it does.

This is the scene when he throws the hammer.

This is the scene when Thanos is shown to have survived.

It's not clear enough to say that the comic contradicted itself.