Originally posted by darthgoober
Isn't that a lot like trying to interchange BRB and Thor?
Eh?
Thor's shown to outperform Bill though so it would not be fair to Thor to use Bill as a measuring stick for how Thor would perform. This Thanos clone however was amped by some powerful artifacts when he used his energy web.
I'll have to get back to you later. I need to go for about an hour or two.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Eh?Thor's shown to outperform Bill though so it would not be fair to Thor to use Bill as a measuring stick for how Thor would perform. This Thanos clone however was amped by some powerful artifacts when he used his energy web.
I'll have to get back to you later. I need to go for about an hour or two.
I don't get Rage's premise in this thread. IF it was stated that WM increases his strength by 10 fold... just because it wasn't mentioned in previous WM situations the increase.. doesn't take away that it was an increase. Your trying to say... that only when it was specifically stated that it increased by 10 can we count that. I disagree totally.. it's a recton of sorts. That particular arc made it clear what WM increases his strength to and all previous showings saying he was in WM means he had the same increase in strength. I honestly don't see how you can take it any other way. It was making it clear what incease the WM gave him that the other previous instances didn't make clear.
Also, pretty much all of the examples you used are PIS of the highest order.. Do you honestly believe ANY Thor can do anything to Thanos with the IG... Thanos with the IG was pwning abstracts with ease. Yet was dropped by a hammer shot from thor or masterson... Give me a break. That is all for the sake of the story and really I'm surprised you brought these instances up. To say nothing of the fact that it wasn't just one v one and Thanos was fighting multiple heroes. Also lets not forget that the orginal Thanos 2 shotted Thor with ease. The weakest version of Thanos took care of Thor easily. I agree with your view about how much stronger Thanos is than thor I think that is pretty fair. WM or not Thor isn't taking any majority from Thanos.
Lastly, the orb was KNOWLEDGE not power. Regardless that Thanos stalemated Tyrant in a test of strength for awhile. Tyrant who wreck the ever loving crap out of WM Thor.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't get Rage's premise here at all. IF it was stated that WM increases his strength by 10 fold... just because it wasn't mentioned in previous WM situations the increase.. doesn't take away that it was an increase. Your trying to say... that only when it was specifically stated that it increased by 10 can we count that. I disagree totally.. it's a recton of sorts. That particular arc made it clear what WM increases his strength to and all previous showings saying he was in WM means he had the same increase in strength. I honestly don't see how you can take it any other way. It was making it clear what incease the WM gave him that the other previous instances didn't make clear.
What's not to get?
I simply pointed out that it's not exactly fair to Thor to view those fights as if it was intended that Thor was ten times stronger (Unless I missed something.) when that was not the intent. Warrior Madness and Berserker Rage, were shown to be nothing more than blood lust. Even a few months before that statement, Thor entered Warrior Madness against the Hulk in the end, and it was shown as him simply loosing it and entering a rage. He even described it as such. That's why you have Thor stating that Zeus entered a Berserker Rage. Call it a retcon if you like, but it's not something that you can simply ignore and does have meaning when we consider these situations. Of course you're a Thanos fan, so retcons are like the holy grail to you. 😂
That's all I pointed out, and that is something important to consider. What exactly do you not understand here?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Also, pretty much all of the examples you used are PIS of the highest order.. Do you honestly believe ANY Thor can do anything to Thanos with the IG... Thanos with the IG was pwning abstracts with ease. Yet was dropped by a hammer shot from thor or masterson... Give me a break. That is all for the sake of the story and really I'm surprised you brought these instances up. To say nothing of the fact that it wasn't just one v one and Thanos was fighting multiple heroes.
😬 Already resorting to P.I.S.? Heh. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet tried to give them a fighting chance to the point it looked like he limited the amount of power he tapped into with the Infinity Gauntlet, and Masterson was portrayed as the most powerful hero there as I understood it, so it’s no surprise he did so well. Once Thanos tapped into the full power of the Infinity Gauntlet, Abstracts are no problem.
Whenever Thor attacked him, he attacked him alone unlike the Hulk etc. And seeing as how he had the Gauntlet, his stamina should not be a problem.
Why are you surprised I brought it up? It’s to quel this stupid notion that Thanos somehow owned Thor in all of their encounters or something. It’s clearly not the case.
I also posted instances other than the times he had the Infinity Gauntlet, like Thor briefly stalemating the Thanos shade that had greater raw power than the real version.
Can you not see a pattern here? Thor has done well against Thanos in all their physical encounters, which was what I was trying to prove. That Thanos while stronger than Thor isn’t ridiculously stronger like multiple times or anything of the sort. Max, 50% in my opinion.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Also lets not forget that the orginal Thanos 2 shotted Thor with ease. The weakest version of Thanos took care of Thor easily. I agree with your view about how much stronger Thanos is than thor I think that is pretty fair. WM or not Thor isn't taking any majority from Thanos.
With ease? You mean after Thor (With help from the Thing.) knocked Thanos on his ass, and he resorted to energy attacks?
And it was not a 2 shot. He blasted Thor twice with his energy attacks, and stated a few more would defeat Thor. That in itself means it was more than two. Plus the fact that it happened off panel doesn’t help. Either way, it was a high showing for Thanos.
You agree? Cool. That’s what I was trying to prove. Hence why I posted instances where Thor did so well against Thanos.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lastly, the orb was KNOWLEDGE not power. Regardless that Thanos stalemated Tyrant in a test of strength for awhile. Tyrant who wreck the ever loving crap out of WM Thor.
😬 No offense but you’re deluding yourself if you think that the orb did not contain energy/power. Thanos even specifically asks the computer where the orb storing Morg’s energy is being held.
You mean when they locked hands while standing? Is that the scene? It literally lasted for nothing more than a panel in my comic, but if you count that as a while, then sure, you’re correct.
Thanos wasnt drawing/using energy from the orb when in the strength lock up with Tyrant, every time Thanos used the orb it was glowing/radiating with energy for blasts, when they locked up it was dull/lifeless.
Thor has only ever did well against Thanos when he used a suprise attack/Thanos was destracted fighting someone else (IG) or had help(Thing) and that was a far weaker pre res Thanos that easily put Thor down for a long while and got stopped from finishing him off.
We see how much of a threat Thor really is in the Capatin Marvell/Genis run when Thanos easily stopps Thors hammer throw with a casual hand gesture.
. Wonder Woman - Thor works for it as Diana's bracelets block the first blasts from Mjolnir. After that its over.
2. Superman- Speed is a factor here as the Mongoose fight illustrates. Superman survives his initial folly of holding back and realizes he can go all out. Mjolnir's versatility gives Thor a razor thin win.
3. Beta Ray bill= Beta Ray Bill is overrated! Yeah, I said it! Thor remembers his embarassment after losing the rigged fight to BRB and annihilates him.
4. Silver Surfer- It stops here. This is KMC and the Surfer realizes he can match any and everything Thor can do. He will stay away from the slugfests and use the board to evade and simultaneously attack. I think it might even be possible to drain Mjolnir.
For the sake of argument lets continue.
5. Wonder Woman AND Superman (2nd time, refreshed, no lasso)- Diana is furious and Superman cuts loose from the start. Between their speed and Superman's long-range powers they have the edge. Also if it comes to it, Diana, has wielded Mjolnir and can grab it and do so again.
6. Beta Ray Bill AND Silver Surfer (2nd time, refreshed)- Surfer orders seconds as he remembers the BLOOD AND THUNDER FIGHT. BRB gets in shots as well.
7. HP Doomsday- He keeps killing Doomsday in a multiplicity of ways with Mjolnir.
8. Gladiator/Hyperion/Power Girl- Hyperion has never shown he is at Thor's level. If this were King Hyoerion then it would be something. Gladiator at KMC levels gives Thor a fight with his powerset. PG makes it interesting but he takes all 3.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm😂
I actually lol'd at "Surfer could drain Mjolnir".
I hate to interrupt your laughter but..
If Mjolnir can drain the very life out of someone, why would a being that wields the fundamental power of the universe be incapable of draining the energy from Mjolnir?
Do you mean to tell me its impervious from this sort of attack? Or better yet that it has a limited source of power due to Odin's enchantmemts?
Show me the canon and I'll laugh along with you.