Originally posted by LordofBrooklynsurfer has neve been seen to drain anything on the level of Mjolni nor have we seen anything be able to strip the power away from Mjolnir. Except when Thor was forced to give up mjolnir time/travel powers however this only happened b/c Thor allowed it to.
I hate to interrupt your laughter but..If Mjolnir can drain the very life out of someone, why would a being that wields the fundamental power of the universe be incapable of draining the energy from Mjolnir?
Do you mean to tell me its impervious from this sort of attack? Or better yet that it has a limited source of power due to Odin's enchantmemts?
Show me the canon and I'll laugh along with you.
Mjolnir would drain the Surfer if anything. We have seen Thor drain/absorb the power cosmic before. If Surfer does decided to just stay back ad blast at Thor"he best chance imo" thor could just siphon out the powercosmic or redirect he blast amped. and to answer your question why would a being that wields the fundamental power of the universe be incapable of draining the energy from Mjolnir? because the odinpower in Mjolnir is greater then the amount of power cosmic that SS has at his disposal
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThat is way too big a post to answer on my Wii. I'll answer it when my laptop cord cums.
And like I said, this is the level I believe the TS intended Thor to be so at the very least in this particular thread, there should not be a problem. One reason, but also in the context it was used at. Beings other than Thor have been stated to enter a Berserker Rage or Warrior Madness. Once by Thor himself in regards to Zeus. It was intended to be used to describe a state where a character is blood lusted or crazed I believe. It wasn't until years and years later where the amp was mentioned. I just think that this fact is something important to keep in mind. The fact that Thor has not been stated to be in Warrior Madness since then in my opinion shows how unusable Thor would be if he actually increased 10 times in strength. That kind of amp is ridiculously significant, when Thor on his own is already at the high end of the totem pole in terms of strength of Top Tiers.That is true. But Thor taking on someone who should logically be superior to him is something that Thor has done so many times that it should not be surprising. Drax with Power Gem, enraged and constantly amping Hulk, Kurse, Scarlet Scarab when he drained and added Thor's strength to his own already near Class 100 strength etc.
He has a history of overcoming beings that you think he should not. It's my opinion that his strength reservoir is simply extremely high, and will power plays a rather large part in strength as well.
Sorry for the long post. I'm a bit long winded at times.
In the first scan is when the heroes launch their initial attack and Thor downs him with a throw. Try again:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsThanos1.jpgAnd Thanos never two shotted Thor. After he was downed, he blasted Thor twice, and specifically stated that a few more energy shots would take Thor down as well. That in itself means it was more than two. Plus the fact that it went off panel doesn't help the case.
The durability Thor showed against the high powered Thanos clone also helps Thor's case.
The hell? How was Thanos made to look weaker without the Infinity Gauntlet?
You mean tossed around by Namor and Hulk? You mean the instance when Namor and She-Hulk both punch Thanos at the same time, and do nothing more than slightly turn his head when he disposes off them
Stalemated by Cyclops Optic Blast's briefly? What the hell are you talking about? If this is the scene you are referring to, it did not happen:
Listing these events, and saying that Thanos was somehow weaker during that battle, when he made basically everyone his *****, then claiming we should not count Thor's showings from the Infinity Gauntlet is just silly.
Stating "IG" isn't an argument of any kind. It happened.
Pretty sure that was the Thanos shade while the real Thanos was observing with Magus. Also, the real Thanos admitted that the Thanos shade, the one that Thor fought, had greater raw power.
😬 Weakened? When did it state he was weakened throughout the arc? And upgraded? He referred to him as being whole most likely because of the inner fire that he was missing. The fire that the shade had or something akin to that. As well, as the knowledge it had. I highly doubt that it was a literally physical upgrade, or he would have been more than twice as powerful after that encounter, which I do not believe is the case. He literally said, further enlightenment before he ate the butterfly. So yea, that's grasping at straws.
Yes, really. Because it happened and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Seriously, what the heck is wrong with you?
You mean the instance, where Thanos is teleported by Strange, Silver Surfer attacks him, Thanos is unharmed. Thanos then goes on to break free (Or he might have punched them. It didn't look %100 clear.) of Masterson and Hulk trying to restrain him in his rage, until Stephen uses a spell to simply knock them off their feet? Yea that's a HORRIBLE showing for Thanos. The only thing that keeps it from being a great showing of strength is the one punch he threw at Norrin didn't seem to damage him all that much.
Okay.
I would have agreed with him being helped only by the blasts shot out of the orb if not for the scene where he clutched the orb and his hand(s) glowed with what seems to be the orbs energy as he hit Tyrant.
It never showed him adding the orbs power to his own. It only talked about him probing the orb in an attempt to gain knowledge etc. Assuming anything else is baseless.
I woke up absolutely soaked. It's like waking up next to Enyalus.
When I get a new sig/avi, you can hound me to answer this.
Originally posted by Blanket
That is way too big a post to answer on my Wii. I'll answer it when my laptop cord cums.When I get a new sig/avi, you can hound me to answer this.
I don't really care and to be honest, if this continued, after we replied back and forth a few more times I would have just given up.
Back in the day I could argue for dozens of pages and across days or weeks in a single debate and enjoy it but now I just don't have the energy and stop caring really. Meh.
I mean at this point, I rarely ever argue something new. I could probably have an entire debate on nearly any topic (On a comic vs. forum.) I come across by simply quoting my old posts if I could find them.
So I get bored really quick in an argument. I see a wall of text, and I just don't bother anymore.
Originally posted by Starscream M
I see I have crushed your spirit by embarrassing you in our previous debates!
DEFINITELY! Which debate was it again? Can you remind me? The one where you argued that Juggernaut was more durable than Galactus or the time you posted a scan of Mirror Master and claimed it was Wally West?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusit was prob yesterday when I showed you to be the charlatan that you are, pulling crap outta your behind about thor's godblast being different power levels when it has never been stated on panel as such.
DEFINITELY! Which debate was it again? Can you remind me? The one where you argued that Juggernaut was more durable than Galactus or the time you posted a scan of Mirror Master and claimed it was Wally West?
yeah that was it. 😉
Originally posted by Starscream MOnce again you embarrass yourself. f everygod blast was th same level Mjolnir would breakaparts everytime he used it.
it was prob yesterday when I showed you to be the charlatan that you are, pulling crap outta your behind about thor's godblast being different power levels when it has never been stated on panel as such.yeah that was it. 😉
Originally posted by Starscream M
it was prob yesterday when I showed you to be the charlatan that you are, pulling crap outta your behind about thor's godblast being different power levels when it has never been stated on panel as such.yeah that was it. 😉
Do I really have to educate you again?
One more time, because you are slow.
The God Blast can clearly vary in power. Why? Let's observe two instances.
Vs the Celestials:
Thor used his Belt of Strength to double Mjolnir's reinforcements and it shattered channeling the power of the God Blast.
Vs the Juggernaut etc.:
It did not shatter or even crack, despite the fact that he did not have the belt.
Reason:
The power of the God Blast varies depending on how energy he puts into it.
Conclusion:
You're an idiot.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI believe this is the page where you promptly made a fool outta yourself.
Oh and while we're on the topic brucy, what was the title of the thread of where the God Blast issue was being discussed again? I forget. Or you could post a link to it.
here ya go:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=525595&pagenumber=5
Originally posted by Starscream M
I believe this is the page where you promptly made a fool outta yourself.here ya go:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=525595&pagenumber=5
Would you care to point out, where I made a fool out of myself exactly?
And no, replying to your posts and "attempting" a discussion does not count. Although I know it's hopeless. You'll never learn.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuswhere you claim the godblast against juggs was different from godblast from galactus
Would you care to point out, where I made a fool out of myself exactly?And no, replying to your posts and "attempting" a discussion does not count. Although I know it's hopeless. You'll never learn.
again, its all your speculation...nothing that was STATED on panel indicates any difference
but whatevs
Originally posted by Starscream M
where you claim the godblast against juggs was different from godblast from galactusagain, its all your speculation...nothing that was STATED on panel indicates any difference
but whatevs
It seems pretty clear. I mean he even used a stand in the Galactus instance.
As hard as it is to believe, you're a big boy. You don't need to be spoon feed everything.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI see you hate infinity arguments as well now.
I don't really care and to be honest, if this continued, after we replied back and forth a few more times I would have just given up.Back in the day I could argue for dozens of pages and across days or weeks in a single debate and enjoy it but now I just don't have the energy and stop caring really. Meh.
I mean at this point, I rarely ever argue something new. I could probably have an entire debate on nearly any topic (On a comic vs. forum.) I come across by simply quoting my old posts if I could find them.
So I get bored really quick in an argument. I see a wall of text, and I just don't bother anymore.
Anyway, just wanted to reply, but then I realized it would have taken about an hour on this thing.
Surfer wins
Originally posted by DarkOdin
surfer has neve been seen to drain anything on the level of Mjolni nor have we seen anything be able to strip the power away from Mjolnir. Except when Thor was forced to give up mjolnir time/travel powers however this only happened b/c Thor allowed it to.Mjolnir would drain the Surfer if anything. We have seen Thor drain/absorb the power cosmic before. If Surfer does decided to just stay back ad blast at Thor"he best chance imo" thor could just siphon out the powercosmic or redirect he blast amped. and to answer your question why would a being that wields the fundamental power of the universe be incapable of draining the energy from Mjolnir? because the odinpower in Mjolnir is greater then the amount of power cosmic that SS has at his disposal
I see Rage of Olympus is too afraid to respond! 😎
Thanks for stepping in.
You are correct about the canon but there is also the reality of the KMC standard.
Surfer never uses the vast majority of his abilities and when he does its in an extremely neutered manner. In fairness, Thor is a victim of the same thing.
There is an incident that I remember that makes it feasible.
Doom was able to siphon the power cosmic through tech. While magic is always a wildcard, I think its reasonable that a being who wields the power cosmic can pull off a similar feat with Mjolnir.
If Surfer can't do it completely, he should at least be able to siphon enough from it to reduce its power.
