Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Only except we didn't see any high level super speed blitzing, counter vibration, planet busting strikes from Superman or any Godblasting, weather manipulating, Mjolnir fueled planet busting strikes from Thor. I guess if we just ignore both character's feats and showings, we can assume they went all out, sure.
or any inner energies release like Thor's fight with Durok or Superman's intangibility tricks for example
Originally posted by Omega Vision
They went as all-out as they can go without using 90% of their powers. 😬 It was an all-out slugfest maybe, and I still don't believe that because there would have been more collateral damage if that were the case.
I doubt it was an all out slugfest, anyway. Not after what both have done using pure physical force.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankJust because Thor didn't use every obscure ability that might have given him the win, certainly doesn't translate to him not going all out.
No. Superman sure as hell didn't go all out, and I can't see how anyone would agree that he did. The same applies to Thor. Did they both want to win? Yes, but given both of their numerous high end feats, it's obvious they didn't use every advantage to their upmost ability.
It's not that both of them wanted to win, it's that both of them had to win. There were no bigger stakes than this, both of their Universes were on the line, and this is further backed out by Thor's reaction when Superman stopped his hammer with one hand -- he put everything he had into that one, but Superman still upped him and knocked him out.
The only thing that would have been logical for one of them to use was Superman using his speed -- but otherwise everything, including anti-force or whatever else is brought up isn't anything than an 'out of battle' look on it. You just have to look at this the smart way -- Thor couldn't have possibly risked using attacks that would have made him vulnerable or their effectivness would have been dubious and make him lose the fight -- so he just used what was the quickest and most effective way he thought would work. Obviously, it didn't work -- and thus his latter statement on the next encounter maybe surprising Superman due to a change in tactics -- but what you have is a 'vs forum' view on it, where people randomly throw off abilities and high-feats at another, rarely taking CIS or thinking on how the battle would actually go.
I also like how apparently if Thor said that the next encounter may be different nullifies Superman's victory, it doesn't, and the writer didn't need to throw some panels of Superman commenting on the next encounter (eventough many here stupidly think so) in order for us to know that Superman would be better in a rematch aswell.
Originally posted by SpireThor also said it would go another way if they had it out again. he felt his measure and won't be caught off guard by it again.
Since we are on the subject of JLA/Avengers... It was most interesting when Thor answered 'Aye' to Aquaman's reversal of Thor's comments when he referenced Supes and his unparalleled might.
Originally posted by SpireExcept Thor is much better the next go round than Superman is.
After answering, "Yes."'Might' hold surprises doesn't mean will. Obviously, Superman has Thor's measure as well and another bout might hold even more surprises for Thor too.
Originally posted by SpireBecause Thor swung his hammer and Superman punched really hard?
They were all-out.
Neither were at their best and Supes barely won. If Thor went all out I think it's obvious he wins.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI agree they didn't go all out but collateral damage isn't proof of anything.
They went as all-out as they can go without using 90% of their powers. 😬 It was an all-out slugfest maybe, and I still don't believe that because there would have been more collateral damage if that were the case.
Originally posted by SpireNot really. They were trying to win but they weren't giving it their all. When Thor doesn't hold back he dominates people like the Surfer. When he doesn't hold back Glads goes down with a few shots. When he doesn't hold back airwalker gets destroyed in one hammer toss.
Using all of their tricks, abilities, skills, buffs, passives, and pots has nothing to do with they were giving it their all trying to beat each other up.
Let's not forget in their initial matchup Superman had his allies come to his back after he was initially rocked by one hammer toss.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor also said it would go another way if they had it out again. he felt his measure and won't be caught off guard by it again. Except Thor is much better the next go round than Superman is. Because Thor swung his hammer and Superman punched really hard?Neither were at their best and Supes barely won. If Thor went all out I think it's obvious he wins. I agree they didn't go all out but collateral damage isn't proof of anything.
Oh snap! The cheerleader is trying to troll me! Oh no!
Prove that Thor is better in the second round what ever that means... and whatever that has to do with anything.
Originally posted by Warlord
I for one love the fact that Superman in this crossover was able to casually block Mjolnir with his bare hands while at that time his every encounter with the slightest mystical weapon/opponent had him severely hurt (vampire teeth and stuff...)
Like when WW, CM, or BA punch him and he explodes like the they have the bloody mess perk?
Originally posted by SpireLook at his encounter with Gladiator and Rulk. Both had them have the upper hand initially and both had Thor rock them come round 2. Rulk completely dominated him and was easily blocking hammer strikes but come round 2 Thor almost killed him pretty quickly.
Oh snap! The cheerleader is trying to troll me! Oh no!Prove that Thor is better in the second round what ever that means... and whatever that has to do with anything.
Like I said Superman just doesn't have the raw power to put Thor down for the majority. It takes Thor's initial shock over a feat he saw thirty years ago to give Superman the slightest of edges.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIf this was true Thor would have beatin Superman into pulp when he had him dazed and confsued on the ground after 1 hammer throw Superman was down and couldn't defend himself anyway we don't use cross over here anyway so the whol debate over it is useless
Just because Thor didn't use every obscure ability that might have given him the win, certainly doesn't translate to him not going all out.It's not that both of them wanted to win, it's that both of them [b]had
to win. There were no bigger stakes than this, both of their Universes were on the line, . [/B]
Originally posted by Spire
Like when WW, CM, or BA punch him and he explodes like the they have the bloody mess perk?
The only problem with this example is that while WW, CM, and BA are magically powered, their strikes normally don't translate into "magic damage". Only when CM or BA explicitly charge their fists with magical power are they really hitting Superman with magic. Diana can't do that, but her tiara and sword, both enchanted weapons, are capable of drawing blood from Superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not really. They were trying to win but they weren't giving it their all. When Thor doesn't hold back he dominates people like the Surfer. When he doesn't hold back Glads goes down with a few shots. When he doesn't hold back airwalker gets destroyed in one hammer toss.Let's not forget in their initial matchup Superman had his allies come to his back after he was initially rocked by one hammer toss.
Ok, aside from the fact that you don't read comics and are oblivious to the context behind the books, you realize that your comparison is extremely retarded?
Superman does the same thing. Like when he killed DD with a single punch.