Thor vs. Superman: How close (or far) apart are they?

If the DC top tiers used their superior-to-their-Marvel-counterparts speed in more than 50% of their battles, I would acknowledge it, and then certainly in most situations the DC top tier would beat the Marvel top tier decisively. But Diana almost never blitzes (she does bullrush some), Superman almost never blitzes (he bullrushes pretty often), Martian Manhunter, Power Girl, Supergirl, etc, all suffer from it. They don't blitz anywhere near half of the time. 33% of the time would be being generous. So, no, it doesn't play a huge factor for me when I'm determining the outcome of a match that has a DC vs. a Marvel character.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not it's not P.I.S because it's happened for the vast majority of his entire career. You have a handful of showings of Superman speed blitzing an opponent under rare circumstances like the Imperiex Probe scene or Mongul scene and suddenly, the rest of his career is P.I.S?

That's just stupid to be honest. Superman will slug it out just like Thor would. For more than 90% of the time in my opinion.

I cannot name one time, or even think of one, where Superman immediately speed blitzes or does something even close to that to an opponent from the get go.

Thor slugging it out with the Hulk is NOT P.I.S and will more than likely happen in their next fight because that is what they choose to do. Slug it out.

It is PIS. It's clearly within his powerset yet if he doesn't use it and there is no explanation for why he doesn't use it, it is considered PIS. Just because it happens alot does not make it not PIS. It is the same reason why Flash doesn't end many situations he could in the blink of an eye. Can you explain why Flash comics last that long (apart from fighting other speedsters)?

Originally posted by Placidity
It is PIS. It's clearly within his powerset yet if he doesn't use it and there is no explanation for why he doesn't use it, it is considered PIS. Just because it happens alot does not make it not PIS. It is the same reason why Flash doesn't end many situations he could in the blink of an eye. Can you explain why Flash comics last that long (apart from fighting other speedsters)?

YES

Originally posted by no3le1
NO

Amazing. You must have been on a pro debate team.

/Sarcasm

Originally posted by no3le1
YES

Yes or no, seem to be the responses you're limited too. I wonder, are you old enough to be on the internet without supervision?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Slimmest is not fun. If Clark want's a decent majority?

Superman needs to get blood lusted and fight smartly. Use his speed effectively. He needs to lose the magical weakness if that is being taken into account. It would also be helpful to Clark if Thor does not use any omni-directional attacks, force fields and resorts to swinging his hammer like a deranged brute.

If Superman is at his absolute best, and Thor is at his absolute worst, then Superman can win... only then though.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Amazing. You must have been on a pro debate team.

/Sarcasm

Yes or no, seem to be the responses you're limited too. I wonder, are you old enough to be on the internet without supervision?

YES

NO!

Originally posted by Blanket
Exactly.

If Superman is at his absolute best, and Thor is at his absolute worst, then Superman can win... only then though.

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I would joke and say yup you've got it right. And Thor would need to lose an arm and a leg but just in case you misread my post and are simply being sarcastic in your usual special way....

Re-read my post. This wasn't my reasoning for Superman taking the slimmest majority or the only way he could win. Under these circumstances Superman would take the decent or overwhelming majority.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
NO!

I would joke and say yup you've got it right. And Thor would need to lose an arm and a leg but just in case you misread my post and are simply being sarcastic in your usual special way....

Re-read my post. This wasn't my reasoning for Superman taking the slimmest majority or the only way he could win. Under these circumstances Superman would take the decent or overwhelming majority.

It's just that the fashion in which you made the post, seems to be overkill and seems to highly weaken Thor in an attempt to also build up Thor. IE, Thor needs to be this weak to lose to Superman. 'Decent majority' or not.

Although, I'm curious to see what you think would give Superman the slimmest of a majority after that, as it will save me from typing another paragraph.

Originally posted by Blanket
I realize. And a decent majority is a bit of an understatement anyway, as Superman would murder him there.

It's just that the fashion in which you made the post, seems to be overkill and seems to highly weaken Thor in an attempt to also build up Thor. IE, Thor needs to be this weak to lose to Superman. 'Decent majority' or not.

Although, I'm curious to see what you think would give Superman the slimmest of a majority after that, as it will save me from typing another paragraph.

Well by decent I meant like 9/10.

😐 I was just having fun. I even stated that it would no fun going down the slimmest route so i went overkill....

Hmmm....seeing as how normally they'd slug it out like bricks, I'd say Superman should make an effort to dodge a bit more blows and use at least some of his fighting skills. Assuming Thor doesn't adapt and fight smarter too as it would be a cycle until we have nothing but Godblasts and speed blitzes.

I have to go to bed like now, so we will continue this later.

If Superman utilizes his speed, he pulls enough wins to carry the majority.

That'd be my 'minimum' he'd need to do to put him over the edge.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well by decent I meant like 9/10.

😐 I was just having fun. I even stated that it would no fun going down the slimmest route so i went overkill....

Hmmm....seeing as how normally they'd slug it out like bricks, I'd say Superman should make an effort to dodge a bit more blows and use at least some of his fighting skills. Assuming Thor doesn't adapt and fight smarter too as it would be a cycle until we have nothing but Godblasts and speed blitzes.

I have to go to bed like now, so we will continue this later.

And I was just having fun as well. No? People think that I'm so stupid that everything has to be explained to me, and thus they start to try debating me on stuff I joke about. Not the first, not the last.

K, so Superman just doesn't get hit as much. Can live with that. At least it saves me from saying the 'fanboy' word.

No, I don't think we will.

Superman 7/10

Originally posted by no3le1
Superman 7/10

Originally posted by Blanket
Talk about reading a thread, completely new unsuspicious member. 👆

hi i am new here on kmc and i just LOVE thor

Originally posted by no3le1
hi i am new here on kmc and i just LOVE thor

Let's explore this strange place together. Grab my hand fellow newcomer.

Originally posted by Placidity
Make the choice people. I'm sick of this double-dipping, saying Thor is in Superman's league, while when supporting Hulk, reference him being able to take on Thor. Which is it?

Apparently having superspeed means the character is much better with it than the one without.

Thor who is not as fast, strong and doesnt wear a S on his chest like Clark but Thor is still a better character. His stories are better and has better supporting characters. He is also more powerful than Clark. His books are not also filled with PIS...CIS? at times, yes.

For Supes...since when I was a kid....the one and only Superhero was and still is Sups. This shit gets implanted in your brain. Hes the Superhero poster boy. But hes not a better character.

IMO...

I posted this on the respect thread earlier. I'm too sleepy to think.

"I remember an Avengers issue that shows why Thor can deal with super speed. The Avengers were looking for someone that "kidnapped" Herc. All of them couldn't see the person except for Thor. He then says something to himself about they won't believe him bcause no mortal eyes can see etc. etc. He had chased this character into the park and was even questioned by Photon why he was hitting a tree. Apparently she didn't see the person as well. A few pages later revealed it was a speeding Hermes from the Olympian Gods. Thor chases him to Olympus and even catches Hermes by the heels. So yeah, Thor can do "speed". Anyone have that issue by the way? It was like 280 something."

Originally posted by Placidity
Its called PIS. Same reason why Flash comics last more than one page. Of course at times they have to do a a little non-superspeed fight. I'm being fair, I'm saying this is the same reason why Thor doesn't kick Hulk's ass right there and then: PIS. The point is, people can either accept Hulk is not in Thor's league or, otherwise, they shouldn't claim that Thor has uber combat reflexes comparable to Superman.

Show me one time Superman went blitzing crazy on a brick dropping him.

And if so, in that same fight, show me that same brick not landing a lick on him due to his speed.