Originally posted by Placidity
It is PIS. It's clearly within his powerset yet if he doesn't use it and there is no explanation for why he doesn't use it, it is considered PIS. Just because it happens alot does not make it not PIS. It is the same reason why Flash doesn't end many situations he could in the blink of an eye. Can you explain why Flash comics last that long (apart from fighting other speedsters)?
How about he just doesnt use his speed in the fashion that you dream of him using it.
There is too much on panel evidence proving that Superman fights on the level of bricks.
The sad thing about it is, we have people like Spiderman and Wolverine blitzing more against bricks than Superman. 😕
It tends to happen it like every encounter they have with bricks.
Not saying that they are faster, what I'm saying is that it is characters out there that we can actually use that argument for (blitzing a brick).
Thor is clearly more powerful and more versatile than Supes. He's just as strong, better fighter and his damage soak is off the chain.
The only real advantage Supes have over Thor is his speed which isnt enough.
I always gave Thor the majority over people in his class because he is them but with just much more power (besides Surfer).
The only reason I give people like Gladiator/Supes/Captain Marvel/Wonder Woman, a chance against Thor is due to the small speed advantage that they have. Without it, it should be a complete massacre in Thors favor. With it, Thor still gets a decent majority in my opinion. His showings and feats are just amazing.
The people that he fought and defeated and the damage that he has withstood sometimes put him on level exceeding the high herald category.
People disagree and apparently Supes has had upgrades though I don't see how.
But Supes has been slashed by the Demon and pegged to the ground and overwhelmed by low level Vampires....all because they are enchanted and magical.
Mjolnir should have the same benefits including Thor's biology itself.
A strike from the hammer or a punch from him should always have a heavy effect on Clark that would allow Thor to grapple him. Which would put Supes in a pretty bad situation.
Originally posted by the ninjak
People disagree and apparently Supes has had upgrades though I don't see how.But Supes has been slashed by the Demon and pegged to the ground and overwhelmed by low level Vampires....all because they are enchanted and magical.
Mjolnir should have the same benefits including Thor's biology itself.
A strike from the hammer or a punch from him should always have a heavy effect on Clark that would allow Thor to grapple him. Which would put Supes in a pretty bad situation.
Thats the thing, I'm not even basing my judgement off of the magic weakness, I'm trying to make things fair because if we include that, Thor should be able to smash his face in almost every time.
Originally posted by kgkgNo, he doesn't. This is one of the biggest myths on the internet. Thor can hit Superman and can hit him enough to beat him. Comics support this. The only way for me to factor in a majority for Superman is to downplay magical weakness and to put Superman at his absolute best while looking at Thor by his average showings.
For Thor to beat Superman for a majority he will need a speed boost and maybe a little better durability.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNot really. the durability is close enough to where it doesn't suggest an advantage either way. Superman is slightly stronger and faster. If we take into consideration Thor's reflexes and power he wins hands down.
Superman is more durable, noticeably stronger and overwhelmingly faster. Thor wins if Superman doesn't use his speed/underestimates him and his vulnerability to magic is played up to a degree that he gets weakened enough for Thor to eventually fall him.
If you want to ignore how Superman fights in character and pull a cbr type maneuver then feel free to do so.
Thor doesn't need the magical weakness as his power far surpasses Superman's. His highest showings are also much more impressive than Superman's imo.
Originally posted by Philosophíaa fair assessment to be honest. 👆
Superman is more durable, noticeably stronger and overwhelmingly faster. Thor wins if Superman doesn't use his speed/underestimates him and his vulnerability to magic is played up to a degree that he gets weakened enough for Thor to eventually fall him.
overall durability/speed i give to superman, but outright offensive power i would have to give to thor though, anti-force blasts would be a problem for superman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
False.
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Does one instance override his feats where he resisted, tank and showed no weakness to it? That's where the part with...
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Depends on the writer, Superman tankt powerful magical blasts already. His weakness doesn't exist anymore, it's more an vulnerability.
comes in. You should try and think about the thing you read before posting. yesdur
How the hell can you say
1. It does not exist anymore period
2. It does exist but depends on the situation
contradicting yourself in the same paragraph..
And everyone has high an low showings....
But... It's a tie based upon average showings...
If superman sundips or uses his speed out of character he wins
if Thor goes for the god blast rather than fisticuffs off the bat... He wins...
Basically if either uses his entire set while the other doesn't... It's a tie....
Talking about supermans speed s like talking about Thor summoning storms/ godblast or antiforce... He doesn't always go all out either but when he does...
