FrankenCastle vs Sabretooth

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Deadline Junior Member
Originally posted by SamZED
Why was he not a challenge? He did defeat Frankencastle in the end. The monster crew tried to reason with FC but couldnt and he continued attacking Deadpool. It ended with FC pinned to the table with DP's swords and Wade feeding him the pills. Sure wasnt easy according to the flashback but he did win. Also he himself swolloed like a dozen pills and lost his gun in the very beginning of the fight which shouldnt happen again, and I dont recall FC being completely bulletproof.
As for Sabertooth, he's got adamantium claws, Frank wont be able to stop them like he stopped the chainsaw.

Its actually not suprised that happened. Considering what Frank can do without upgrades he should be able to stomp characters like DP when upgraded. Thats realsitically how the fight should go but I thougt Frank was going to get jobbed.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Its actually not suprised that happened. Considering what Frank can do without upgrades he should be able to stomp characters like DP when upgraded. Thats realsitically how the fight should go but I thougt Frank was going to get jobbed
we do not yet know the full extent of his upgrade. Only know hes stronger and more durable. If anything i think hes faster as good ol Frank. And no he shouldnt stomp Deadpool, maybe win some at best. If anythink Deadpool losing his gun in the first second of the fight was pis (concidering his speed) to make the fight more interesting.

Deadline Junior Member
Originally posted by SamZED
we do not yet know the full extent of his upgrade. Only know hes stronger and more durable. If anything i think hes faster as good ol Frank.

He doesn't need to be faster. Hes clearly shown he has no problems hitting people as fast as DP. Hes verry tough now. In his last issue he was impaled, disembowled and his arm were partially falling off and he still managed to beat Hellsgard who is a cyborg. He also didn't have his pills which made him slower and still managed to evade machiun gunfire. He was also strong enough to fastball special Manthing and restrain Werewolf with one hand.

Originally posted by SamZED

And no he shouldnt stomp Deadpool, maybe win some at best. If anythink Deadpool losing his gun in the first second of the fight was pis (concidering his speed) to make the fight more interesting.

I haven't actually read it but im not suprised that happen. Again Punisher needs no speed upgrade he just needs strength and durability.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
He doesn't need to be faster. Hes clearly shown he has no problems hitting people as fast as DP. Hes verry tough now. In his last issue he was impaled, disembowled and his arm were partially falling off and he still managed to beat Hellsgard who is a cyborg. He also didn't have his pills which made him slower and still managed to evade machiun gunfire. He was also strong enough to fastball special Manthing and restrain Werewolf with one hand.
Ofcourse he's hit people as fast as Deadpool and Deadpool himself on many occasions but Deadpool has dodged opponents faster than Frank as well. Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with Frank hitting Deadpool there, only have a problem with Deadpool charging headfirst like an idiot at Frank while holding a gun instead of just using it. Not even sure it would've harmed Frank but it wouldve made sense for Wade to at least try.
Yeah ive read the book. Was a tough battle. Fun to read. Was cool to see Frank spare his life and leave him be in that place.

Originally posted by Deadline

I haven't actually read it but im not suprised that happen. Again Punisher needs no speed upgrade he just needs strength and durability.
Meh.. cant say its a big loss you havent read it. The issue in general was a dissapointment, only few funny pages with Deadpool and the actual team-up lasted for exactly one page and ended on a cliffhanger. And the fight was shown in a flashback. First Deadpool lost his gun and sword, then attacked with a flamethrower and chainsaw only to get tossed all over the place by Frank. Then the flashback stops when Frank charged at Deadpool ready to attack. The next thing we see - Frank pinned down to a table with DP's swords and Wade on top of him. We didnt even get to see how it happened exactly. Deadpool realises he's been set up, Morbius frees Castle and Frank gets up ready to tear Deadpool to pieces but Deadpool offers him to team up against a common foe. Special guest appearance
Spoiler:
Wolverine on the last pages. Pops his claws and gets ready to attack both DP and Frank
End of story. 🙁

Deadline Junior Member
Originally posted by SamZED
Ofcourse he's hit people as fast as Deadpool and Deadpool himself on many occasions but Deadpool has dodged opponents faster than Frank as well. Dont get me wrong, I have no problem with Frank hitting Deadpool there, only have a problem with Deadpool charging headfirst like an idiot at Frank while holding a gun instead of just using it. Not even sure it would've harmed Frank but it wouldve made sense for Wade to at least try.
Yeah ive read the book. Was a tough battle. Fun to read. Was cool to see Frank spare his life and leave him be in that place.

Fair enough about the charging but the issue about DP dodging people faster than Frank is ABC logic. If you look at some of the people Frank has taken on DD really shouldn't dance around Punisher either but there you go.

Originally posted by SamZED

Meh.. cant say its a big loss you havent read it. The issue in general was a dissapointment, only few funny pages with Deadpool and the actual team-up lasted for exactly one page and ended on a cliffhanger. And the fight was shown in a flashback. First Deadpool lost his gun and sword, then attacked with a flamethrower and chainsaw only to get tossed all over the place by Frank. Then the flashback stops when Frank charged at Deadpool ready to attack. The next thing we see - Frank pinned down to a table with DP's swords and Wade on top of him. We didnt even get to see how it happened exactly. Deadpool realises he's been set up, Morbius frees Castle and Frank gets up ready to tear Deadpool to pieces but Deadpool offers him to team up against a common foe. Special guest appearance
Spoiler:
Wolverine on the last pages. Pops his claws and gets ready to attack both DP and Frank
End of story. 🙁

Sorry man looks like DP got his arse kicked. Im sorry but to be honest I think thats expected. There isnt really anything DP can do to hurt him unless he chops his head off. Frank was taking maching gunfire in his last issue and taking other forms of damage. DP isn't fast enough to dodge him and Punisher was capable of hurting DP in human form. DP is pretty much ****ed.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Fair enough about the charging but the issue about DP dodging people faster than Frank is ABC logic. If you look at some of the people Frank has taken on DD really shouldn't dance around Punisher either but there you go.

Sorry man looks like DP got his arse kicked. Im sorry but to be honest I think thats expected. There isnt really anything DP can do to hurt him unless he chops his head off. Frank was taking maching gunfire in his last issue and taking other forms of damage. DP isn't fast enough to dodge him and Punisher was capable of hurting DP in human form. DP is pretty much ****ed.

Wait are you talking about KMC battle right now or the book? I was describing the book and Deadpool though got tossed around a lot won in the end. Im not not saying that's how it'll go on KMC, was just talking about the book. He is definitely fast enough to dodge Frank, looking at his feats. That is if he doesnt engage in h2h, in that case agreed, but if he choses to keep his distance I see him dodge Frank without much trouble, he's been dancing around entire teams of heroes with super speed. Now FC would win some, but so would Deadpool, this is definitely not a onesided beating in anyone's favor.

Deadline Junior Member
Originally posted by SamZED
Wait are you talking about KMC battle right now or the book? I was describing the book and Deadpool though got tossed around a lot won in the end. Im not not saying that's how it'll go on KMC, was just talking about the book.

Yeah I know. Im just saying that how it went in the book is how it would go on KMC.

Originally posted by SamZED
He is definitely fast enough to dodge Frank, looking at his feats. That is if he doesnt engage in h2h, in that case agreed, but if he choses to keep his distance I see him dodge Frank without much trouble, he's been dancing around entire teams of heroes with super speed.

Yeah he can defintely dodge Frank I just don't think he can dance around him. I guess thats just a high showing but its defintely not the norm. Moon Knight has done something similar and Punisher has stalemated him several times, he doesn't have superspeed but you get the point.

I see what you mean about DP doding him if he decided to go defensive, not sure if I agree but I see where your coming from.

Originally posted by SamZED

Now FC would win some, but so would Deadpool, this is definitely not a onesided beating in anyone's favor.

I know I usually treat you like a jerk but im being honest here. i do think that DP would get a beatdown, but thats based on what Frank can do now and what hes done before. You also have to bare in mind the point of the upgrade was to make him a serious threat. Even in human form Punisher has held his own against DP if DP still manages to hold his own againt FC then the upgrade was pointless.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by SamZED
we do not yet know the full extent of his upgrade. Only know hes stronger and more durable. If anything i think hes faster as good ol Frank. And no he shouldnt stomp Deadpool, maybe win some at best. If anythink Deadpool losing his gun in the first second of the fight was pis (concidering his speed) to make the fight more interesting.
he owned deadpool several times, we know that his healing is just as good, and he's more durable. , he was intercepting and countering everything DP was throwing at him, and the minute frank was reanimated, deadpool was begging them to keep him back. deadpool's speed advantage (if there is one) did absolutely nothing for him, he's not a speedster, he's not going to be running circles around frank, the fact that he couldn't when franks reaction time was slowed means that there's no way he'd do it against a prepared frank.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by SamZED
Wait are you talking about KMC battle right now or the book? I was describing the book and Deadpool though got tossed around a lot won in the end. Im not not saying that's how it'll go on KMC, was just talking about the book. He is definitely fast enough to dodge Frank, looking at his feats. That is if he doesnt engage in h2h, in that case agreed, but if he choses to keep his distance I see him dodge Frank without much trouble, he's been dancing around entire teams of heroes with super speed. Now FC would win some, but so would Deadpool, this is definitely not a onesided beating in anyone's favor.
he won because frank went braindead, not because of his own performance, and frank already in need of his pills when the fight began...

Deadline Junior Member

Sorry but FC's just a ****ing beast. Oh yeah Remender stated that FC's going to get a big upgrade and I think its the bloodstone. Last issue he got the bloodstone not sure what he can do with it yet, but one thing is that it can make the wielder more powerful by turning their desire for revenge into strength. It most likely does other stuff because we saw it create zombies as well.

Trackz Senior Member

here's the fight:

Originally posted by guy222
Deadline Junior Member
Originally posted by Trackz
here's the fight:

Sorry Sam, didn't look like DP charged at Frank with the gun. Frank was just too fast and snatched it out of his hand.

Damn DP got owned.

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah I know. Im just saying that how it went in the book is how it would go on KMC.

Yeah he can defintely dodge Frank I just don't think he can dance around him. I guess thats just a high showing but its defintely not the norm. Moon Knight has done something similar and Punisher has stalemated him several times, he doesn't have superspeed but you get the point.

I see what you mean about DP doding him if he decided to go defensive, not sure if I agree but I see where your coming from.

Its just that'd be a high showing if it happened 1-2 times. But pretty much every time he fights a team he dances around them with ease. And im not talking dumb slow bricks. If anything fight with Moon Knight was a low showing imo. If not for fighting skills then definitely for HF. He's ran circles around Avengers, fantastic four, blitzed a team of x-men. Can't even count the number of times he's performed the "faster-than-human-eye-reacts" kinda moves and attacks. That is his average speed.

Originally posted by Deadline

I know I usually treat you like a jerk but im being honest here. i do think that DP would get a beatdown, but thats based on what Frank can do now and what hes done before. You also have to bare in mind the point of the upgrade was to make him a serious threat. Even in human form Punisher has held his own against DP if DP still manages to hold his own againt FC then the upgrade was pointless.
I see what you mean and fair enough. I respect your opinion and hope you'll respect mine, and I believe that although Frank (non-upgraded) can hold his own against Deadpool he IMO shouldnt possibly win under normal conditions while the upgrades in my opinion just even the odds concidering the HF and enhanced stats. Again, that's just my opinion, and I know you have a different one so can we just agree to disagree on this?

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Trackz

he owned deadpool several times, we know that his healing is just as good, and he's more durable. , he was intercepting and countering everything DP was throwing at him, and the minute frank was reanimated, deadpool was begging them to keep him back. deadpool's speed advantage (if there is one) did absolutely nothing for him, he's not a speedster, he's not going to be running circles around frank, the fact that he couldn't when franks reaction time was slowed means that there's no way he'd do it against a prepared frank.

How did he own Deadpool several times if this was just one fight? He tossed him around and injured yeah, but that's nothing Deadpol cant handle. Begging and screaming is completely in character for Deadpool, that doesnt mean he loses every time he does it. He had Frank pinned down and could've finished him off if he wanted to. Im not even arguing that Deadpool wins every time. Just that this is a close one. His speed advantage (yes, there is one) would only matter if he used it to avoid Frank, instead he was charging head first at a stronger opponent because he had no idea what he's dealing with, hence the result. If you want I can provide some scans of Deadpool trying to avoid/dodge while attacking from distance and it will no longer be a question if he could do it here.

Originally posted by Trackz

he won because frank went braindead, not because of his own performance, and frank already in need of his pills when the fight began...

While Deadpool ate a bunch of them himself and said it screwed up his head (more than usually) and Frank went berserk, he was more than capable of fighting, it didnt slow him down nor made him weaker, only made him bloodlusted.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by SamZED
How did he own Deadpool several times if this was just one fight? He tossed him around and injured yeah, but that's nothing Deadpol cant handle. Begging and screaming is completely in character for Deadpool, that doesnt mean he loses every time he does it. He had Frank pinned down and could've finished him off if he wanted to. Im not even arguing that Deadpool wins every time. Just that this is a close one. His speed advantage (yes, there is one) would only matter if he used it to avoid Frank, instead he was charging head first at a stronger opponent because he had no idea what he's dealing with, hence the result. If you want I can provide some scans of Deadpool trying to avoid/dodge while attacking from distance and it will no longer be a question if he could do it here.

While Deadpool ate a bunch of them himself and said it screwed up his head (more than usually) and Frank went berserk, he was more than capable of fighting, it didnt slow him down nor made him weaker, only made him bloodlusted.

My bad, i wasn't paying attention to what i was saying honestly.

Deadpool was using some of his most deadly weaponry and it was compltely ineffective against frank and he was disarmed, what else could deadpool do? I mean all of deadpool's projectile weapons were useless, what other choice did deadpool have than to run at him?

deadpool healed from teh pills mid battle (his voices came back), frank doesnt go berserk, when he doesnt have his pills his brain deteriorates and he becomes stupid and slow (stated on panel he loses his reaction time significantly and he has trouble coordinating his actions) that his is the frank that deadpool fought, he was being taken down by a slower/stupider frankencastle.

Frankencastle definitely shows that he's out of deadpool's league...i mean deadpool couldn't even put up a fight, deadpool could win obviously if he decapitated him, even that would be a struggle for him.

if it were just between them i'd say frankencastle 7-8/10

as for the fight at hand, if frankencastle shows the ability to take on both daken and wolverine then i believe he'd be able to take out sabretooth.

Wild Shadow Restricted

Deadpool wasnt using his standard weapons... if he did he would have pulled his uzis and grenades instead of a flame thrower which was cool. i think it should have roasted franks skin though...

SamZED Senior Member

Originally posted by Trackz
My bad, i wasn't paying attention to what i was saying honestly.

Deadpool was using some of his most deadly weaponry and it was compltely ineffective against frank and he was disarmed, what else could deadpool do? I mean all of deadpool's projectile weapons were useless, what other choice did deadpool have than to run at him?

deadpool healed from teh pills mid battle (his voices came back), frank doesnt go berserk, when he doesnt have his pills his brain deteriorates and he becomes stupid and slow (stated on panel he loses his reaction time significantly and he has trouble coordinating his actions) that his is the frank that deadpool fought, he was being taken down by a slower/stupider frankencastle.

Frankencastle definitely shows that he's out of deadpool's league...i mean deadpool couldn't even put up a fight, deadpool could win obviously if he decapitated him, even that would be a struggle for him.

if it were just between them i'd say frankencastle 7-8/10

as for the fight at hand, if frankencastle shows the ability to take on both daken and wolverine then i believe he'd be able to take out sabretooth.

If Frank becomes slower it must take him time, because imo it didnt look like he was slowing down, if anything his speed performance in this book was better than when he fought those ninjas (dont remember the issue #) and was in his right mind. And Deadpool only healed before Frank's final charge, so while he was getting tossed around the effect was still on, so imo it was pretty fair. As for his options, just use his guns, shoot in the eyes for example, or decapitate like he could have in the book. Id say more like 5/10 for each, imo its close. And ofcourse Deadpool would have to work hard for each of the win. But it also works for Frank because imo if Deadpool puts his mind to it its gonna be very hard for Frank to get his hands on him.

Im pretty sure you've seen these scans but just in case. In both those cases Deadpool doesnt wont to kill anyone so goes "Spider-man" on them.

http://img696.imageshack.us/i/scan0005.png/
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http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/...dpool180014.png
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/21...dpool180016.png

Unless Frank really gets another upgrade, then its a different story.

Parmaniac Evincar of KMC

Originally posted by SamZED
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SamZED Senior Member

My bad.
Here they are the ones that werent working.
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also this
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EDIT: btw NOT a teleporter. That was him moving.

Trackz Senior Member

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Deadpool wasnt using his standard weapons... if he did he would have pulled his uzis and grenades instead of a flame thrower which was cool. i think it should have roasted franks skin though...
they made him more durable, or didn't you notice how he stopped a chainsaw with his hand, a flamethrower is defintely more deadly than an uzi, not that i would have done much, have you seen the stuff that frank takes? frank's mentality is that his body is already dead, so then he can't feel pain, he ripped his own arm off...bullets don't faze him.