Darkseid VS Thor

With no jobbing, DS crushes Thor and SM. Thor might do better than SM realistically should as he has mjolnir.

Thor wins.

Thor should win.

Darkseid wins.

Originally posted by 753
With no jobbing, DS crushes Thor and SM. Thor might do better than SM realistically should as he has mjolnir.

At this point, Darkseid has jobbed to Superman so many times that it should be considered as his average.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At this point, Darkseid has jobbed to Superman so many times that it should be considered as his average.

Originally posted by 753
With no jobbing, DS crushes Thor and SM. Thor might do better than SM realistically should as he has mjolnir.

The hammer gives him a shot...

Personally though, I think Darkseid can beat Thor in hand to hand if he wanted to, going by Simonsons run..

^ The fact he could defeat Orion in h/h means that him beating Thor in a brawl isn't far fetched at all.

Just because he doesn't like to get his hands dirty and (logically) prefers to rely on the OE doesn't make him some effete pansy who can't fight.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At this point, Darkseid has jobbed to Superman so many times that it should be considered as his average.

Superman would disagree with you. Of course it's no surprise Clark outperforms Orion. He is stronger than him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
At this point, Darkseid has jobbed to Superman so many times that it should be considered as his average.

Twice?

The Byrne thing was kind of jobbing, but it wasn't a fight to the finish.. And as I recall, Byrne even claimed he shortchanged Darkseid, as he's the guy who wrote some of Darkseids greatest feats in Jack Kirby's Fourth World.

Hell, Byrne had Darkseid take out Surfer, and impress Galactus with his Omega Effect, even though it didn't take him out.

Originally posted by Starscream M
jobbing to superman doesnt mean he jobs to thor

Originally posted by cdtm
Twice?

The Byrne thing was kind of jobbing, but it wasn't a fight to the finish.. And as I recall, Byrne even claimed he shortchanged Darkseid, as he's the guy who wrote some of Darkseids greatest feats in Jack Kirby's Fourth World.

Hell, Byrne had Darkseid take out Surfer, and impress Galactus with his Omega Effect, even though it didn't take him out.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He's beaten/shown himself superior to Superman more times than the reverse.

Count the number of times Darkseid has defeated Superman Post-Crisis.

You are a Darkseid scholar aren't you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor matches up better against him then Superman because he can negate his omega blasts with his hammer. He's beaten him three times.

Final Crisis doesn't really count, since it wasn't even Darkseids original body.

Or if you're talking about when Byrne had Supes knock Darkseid down with a few punches, that wasn't really a loss as we never got to see the end of the fight.

The amount of damage Supes did to Darkseid is equivilent with what PC Superman did to PC Mongul.. Only, Mongul had a chance to get back up and show Supes how it's done...

Originally posted by Starscream M
jobbing to superman doesnt mean he jobs to thor

Thor has a symbol on his costume now. The belt buckle is a rune symbol. Darkseid loses.

Originally posted by cdtm
Final Crisis doesn't really count, since it wasn't even Darkseids original body.

Originally posted by cdtm
Twice?

The Byrne thing was kind of jobbing, but it wasn't a fight to the finish.. And as I recall, Byrne even claimed he shortchanged Darkseid, as he's the guy who wrote some of Darkseids greatest feats in Jack Kirby's Fourth World.

Hell, Byrne had Darkseid take out Surfer, and impress Galactus with his Omega Effect, even though it didn't take him out.

I count four times. And he was beating that ass in Countdown To Final Crisis #49. Would've won if Darkseid didn't pussy out.

It's actually five if you count Final Crisis.

So we're using Crossovers now?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I count four times. And he was beating that ass in Countdown To Final Crisis #49. Would've won if Darkseid didn't pussy out.

It's actually five if you count Final Crisis.

So we're using Crossovers now?

Pretty sure it was #49. You can double check if you want. I don't really care enough to.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I count four times. And he was beating that ass in Countdown To Final Crisis #49. Would've won if Darkseid didn't pussy out.

It's actually five if you count Final Crisis.

So we're using Crossovers now?

We're not using crossovers. I'm assuming one of the losses you're counting is the one Byrne wrote in Action. My point is despite penning Darkseids initial "loss" to Superman, he also wrote that crossover and thought highly enough of Darkseids power to have Galactus compliment 'Seid on how powerful he is, if not powerful enough to defeat him, along with one shotting Surfer. As a crossover it's not proof in and of itself, but it does give an indication of where Byrne places Darkseid on the power totem.

So what are all four losses than?