Akatosh vs Nozdormu

Originally posted by Burning thought
When has Nozdormu be capable of thinking so quickly?

Also Nozdormu loses every thread before the battle begins, because he begins dead. Therefore Akatatosh.

Nozdormu does not need to think fast. He start with an eternity of time to do something before his opponent is able to make his first move.

It is fallacious to claim that he start out dead simply because he'll die at one point in his universe, since he's also alive at one point in his universe. When a character has both a living and a dead state, versus automaticly send out the living state of the character unless otherwise is stated. Since this thread specify that it's Nozdormu at his strongest, the Nozdormu fought is the one alive.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Nozdormu does not need to think fast. He start with an eternity of time to do something before his opponent is able to make his first move.

It is fallacious to claim that he start out dead simply because he'll die at one point in his universe, since he's also alive at one point in his universe. When a character has both a living and a dead state, versus automaticly send out the living state of the character unless otherwise is stated. Since this thread specify that it's Nozdormu at his strongest, the Nozdormu fought is the one alive.

Where is this said then? and why would he have more time? the match starts when it starts, Nozmordu gets no extra time...

Who is at the same time, every Nozdormu in every time, including the dead one. So technically, he also starts off dead.

Can Noz not simply travel back in time? 😐

BFR isn't it?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Where is this said then? and why would he have more time? the match starts when it starts, Nozmordu gets no extra time...

Who is at the same time, every Nozdormu in every time, including the dead one. So technically, he also starts off dead.

He has more time, because time is all he is. When you see a field of battle, he see a clock standing still. A clock awaiting his bending. Nozdormu is nothing more than a part of the time flow. He doesn't exist at any one time or place, but in every time at every place. The reason why he will beat anyone in a battle, is because he can prevent something from happening by knowing it happens.

The reason Nozdormu will win this battle before it even begun, is because Nozdormu exist at more places than one at any one time. Because this enemy can at most defeat Nozdormu as he is in the current and not the Nozdormu that exist yesterday, he is unable to actually defeat Nozdormu because Nozdormu knew what happened and froze time before it did.

I know it is hard to comprehend the nature of a multi-present ultimate master of time in combat, but you should at least try. Presenting a bunch of fallacies is not the way to go in life. I hope you realize that one day.

But I would love to hear why the Nozdormu fought here is the ONE dead Nozdormu and not one of the billion living ones. What is it about the dead Nozdormu that make him the default form in a versus debate?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
BFR isn't it?

No. But he could BFR his enemy if he wanted to.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The reason why he will beat anyone in a battle, is because he can prevent something from happening by knowing it happens.

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by "anyone"?

Anyone he beats, he beats for that reason.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
He has more time, because time is all he is. When you see a field of battle, he see a clock standing still. A clock awaiting his bending. Nozdormu is nothing more than a part of the time flow. He doesn't exist at any one time or place, but in every time at every place. The reason why he will beat anyone in a battle, is because he can prevent something from happening by knowing it happens.

The reason Nozdormu will win this battle before it even begun, is because Nozdormu exist at more places than one at any one time. Because this enemy can at most defeat Nozdormu as he is in the current and not the Nozdormu that exist yesterday, he is unable to actually defeat Nozdormu because Nozdormu knew what happened and froze time before it did.

I know it is hard to comprehend the nature of a multi-present ultimate master of time in combat, but you should at least try. Presenting a bunch of fallacies is not the way to go in life. I hope you realize that one day.

But I would love to hear why the Nozdormu fought here is the ONE dead Nozdormu and not one of the billion living ones. What is it about the dead Nozdormu that make him the default form in a versus debate?

No. But he could BFR his enemy if he wanted to.

Every Nozdormu is the default in a vs debate, that means that he can do nothing but draw unfortunatley. If you want to play the card of "Noz is in all time flows" then yes, but also the one where he is dead. Therefore the best he can get is a draw assuming he defeated his enemy.

False. Because Nozdormu has interacted with people despite his imminent death, he can interact here. Because Nozdormu has killed people before, he can kill people here. Claiming he can not, is going against the fact that he has actual feats of both killing and being. You are just trying to use a twisted version of him, one that in lore does not exist.

If versus were as you say it will be, Nozdormu would not have killed that orc in War of the Ancients. In fact, War of the Ancients would not have happened, because Nozdormu would not have been able to interact in it and the Old Gods would've wiped out reality.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
False. Because Nozdormu has interacted with people despite his imminent death, he can interact here. Because Nozdormu has killed people before, he can kill people here. Claiming he can not, is going against the fact that he has actual feats of both killing and being. You are just trying to use a twisted version of him, one that in lore does not exist.

If versus were as you say it will be, Nozdormu would not have killed that orc in War of the Ancients. In fact, War of the Ancients would not have happened, because Nozdormu would not have been able to interact in it and the Old Gods would've wiped out reality.

It exists because as you said he exists in all times, including one where he does eventually die. Simple fact I am afraid, he can interact with whom he wants, but he is still dead. The first one to die in a thread, or be defeated is the loser, that is Nozdormu in every thread.

Yes he would have, because at least one of his temporal forms are alive. Thing is one is also dead.

So you're saying that your logic > Solid feats.

No, that must be your poor reading skills that lead you to that conclusion. I never said anything of the sorts my dear, try glasses perhaps? they are quite cheap now days I hear.

Also "solid"? if you had shown evidence of Nozdormu being capable of some of these things then they would be solid here.

Actually, seein' as Noz' death hasn't happened yet... What you're trying to use is irrelevant, BT. GJ.

Its happened for him. If he is indeed omnipresent throughout his own timelines.

Reported for trolling/baiting.

Anyhow, Nozdormu EXIST. He has multiple appearances where he is very much alive. Just because he in a distant future will be dead, doesn't mean he will be here. Especially because he has PARTICIPATED in elaborate battles. The only way your logic make sense, is if you ignore his appearances.

Oh no I am not ignoring anything, its just as soon as his living form appears here, his dead form is still within his "present" even if its not for the battles. Unless he is cut off from all his other "selves", in which case the idea of him being connected to all his timelines are irrelevent.

I don't think I ever want to participate in a Nozdormu thread. I think an essential circumstance here is that Nozdormu is never vulnerable. Not at the start of the fight, not after a movement, not ever.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh no I am not ignoring anything, its just as soon as his living form appears here, his dead form is still within his "present" even if its not for the battles. Unless he is cut off from all his other "selves", in which case the idea of him being connected to all his timelines are irrelevent.

By your logic, all characters that aren't immortal have lost the fight as soon as it starts. You'll say no, because not all exist in all times, but that's wrong. Everyone existed in the past and everyone will exist until the day we die. The only difference is that Nozdormu is aware.

The fact that he can control his forms in different times is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It exists because as you said he exists in all times, including one where he does eventually die. Simple fact I am afraid, he can interact with whom he wants, but he is still dead. The first one to die in a thread, or be defeated is the loser, that is Nozdormu in every thread.

Yes he would have, because at least one of his temporal forms are alive. Thing is one is also dead.

Going by this logic, Kain, aswell as every other undead in VG, loses automatically, as they are technically dead.

Good job.

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
The reason why he will beat anyone in a battle, is because he can prevent something from happening by knowing it happens.

A bit extravagated imo. 😛