Akatosh vs Nozdormu

Wait, so BT is using that Noz is conscious in all his time lines, and that he is dead in the future to say that, since he is dead, he automatically loses?

And what game is Akatosh from?

Elder Scrolls: Oblivion

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Future <---Noz dies here<----Noz is here <--You are here, and die here
Present <-----Noz is here <--debate is here <---you are here
Past<------Noz is here <---you are here

Also, we all exist in the past present, future, and alternate timelines, the key difference is Nozdormu shares one conciousness with all his selves.

hence why to his perception he is also dead. Noz is present at all times, and its fact he is dead in the future. Other characters are ambigious, especially immortal ones not that their relevent.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Wait, so BT is using that Noz is conscious in all his time lines, and that he is dead in the future to say that, since he is dead, he automatically loses?

Death is kinda the end of a thread, death, defeat or K.O that is.

Everyone else is telling you this, but there are a few serious problems with this.

1) By this logic, every other character in a thread automatically loses as they are dead in the future.
2) The only difference between Noz and every other character, is that Noz is aware of all his other selves and they share a consciousness. His dead self is obviously excluded, since it's dead.

I'm just going to leave it there since I've already contradicted myself by participating in this thread. Noz threads are a ridiculous train of logic.

Should we automatically disqualify characters that are dead in their respective universes?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Everyone else is telling you this, but there are a few serious problems with this.

1) By this logic, every other character in a thread automatically loses as they are dead in the future.
2) The only difference between Noz and every other character, is that Noz is aware of all his other selves and they share a consciousness. His dead self is obviously excluded, since it's dead.

I'm just going to leave it there since I've already contradicted myself by participating in this thread. Noz threads are a ridiculous train of logic.

1. Their not concious in all their forms throughout time however, and thats not true anyway.

2. excluded? not so, he is concious in all his forms, apart from the dead one but he still knows his death, that was part of what was supposed to humble him from Aman'thul.

Nozdormus future and past are also his present, technically there are no differences between them at least to his mind since their all his "present", even if their not anyone elses.

If your logic was correct, Nozdormu would not have been able to save the day in War of the Ancients.

Nozdormu wins.

/Thread

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
If your logic was correct, Nozdormu would not have been able to save the day in War of the Ancients.

Nozdormu wins.

/Thread

My logic would allow that to happen, so I am not sure what logic your looking at.

Originally posted by Burning thought
My logic would allow that to happen, so I am not sure what logic your looking at.

What part of your logic disallow Nozdormu from killing, when he has killed before?

The part where a KMC thread ends when someone is dead/defeated. Nozdormu is.

Not yet.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The part where a KMC thread ends when someone is dead/defeated. Nozdormu is.

Not by this guys hands. YOu want to be technical? Here goes: Nozdormu dies by the hand of something in Azeroth.

True he does, but he is still dead. Technically he would have to be partly in Azeroth in this math, most of his "selves" are apart from the one in this thread.

Akataosh would not have to kill him.

You seriously can not see the fallacies in your post(s)?

Originally posted by Q'Anilia
You seriously can not see the fallacies in your post(s)?

It seems not, you cannot seem to see your own so its not surprising. Apprently people cannot see the "fallacies" in their own posts.

Lets learn from our flaws then: You point out my fallacies and I point out yours. A win-win deal.

Fair enough, i think your flaw in your logic is assuming choosing a Nozdormu, preferably the strongest version in a vs like we do with most characters is the same as those characters but as you have pointed out, all Nozdormus are the same, their all the same being. If you want to choose the strongest Noz and suggest cutting him off from all his other selves then ok, thats fine, we should ask the thread starters to do so but otherwise....

He is dead, simple fact. Unlike most characters his last showing, his death is at least to his perception his "present" as well. Nozdormu is officially dead as soon as he enters a thread, because regardless of how healthy and active he is in his other "selves", their irrelevent since his most current, his most present etc etc are also dead. Argueing "Noz in another period of time did thus" is fine in the Warcraft universe, but in this thread if he is connected to all his other selves, he is also dead. Dieing is also his last showing, but unlike other characters, he is also alive. He is both dead and alive, but if we take his most recent which is his death, like we do with most characters he is overall dead, even he is alive. Hard to explain but there it is.

Where are my fallacies? I don't see any. You were supposed to point them out, not repeat the same thing you've said the entire thread.

The first paragraph points out why your logic fails. If you cannot see it even if I point them out then theres no point in trying.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Your trying to argue/bait an irrelevant point. Nozdormu is "dead" in a sense Kain will never be.

O RLY?

Kain's body is biologically dead, correct?

Kain's heart is gone, and he is essentially possessing nothing more then a dead body, correct?

Kain's "true self" is nothing more then his spirit and conscience, correct?

Kain is dead, that's all there is to it.

Though your point is moot. The normal objective of a match is to make the opponent unable to fight, not to necessarily kill the opponent. Nozdormu, even if he is dead, would still be capable of defeating his opponent.