We don't know that for sure, from what's given in the actual game at least.
Kratos probably bests him in their strength grapples (the one where Kratos uses him as a Battering Ram), but Hercules is obviously strong enough to challenge Kratos in the first place. I'd say he's at least in their ball-park.
My "fanboi" instincts for the actual mythological character want Hercules to be stronger, but GoW Hercules was a douche mhmm
Phew, finally got some free time.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Except when it struck Hades it drew blood. You said it only has one phase when attacking a god or titan and this absolutely false.It also can draw blood from Kratos in gameplay and as in this example, the blade does draw blood from Kratos, in the middle of an action sequence. Using the blood spatter as one of the basis of your argument becomes flawed in this case, because the Hades QTE takes place in the same gameplay parameters.
Drawing blood from Hades is not a gameplay parameter, it is within
the parameters of a non-optional QTE, the same as the opening scene where
Hades attacks Kratos.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Awesome. You just ****ing agreed with me and debunked your own bullshit singular phase per use theory by saying their physical and spiritual abilities are not seperated.My initial stance was that the blades function uniformly, I've stuck by that.
What I did say is that your argument for this being a durability feat assumes that the blade can interchange its two properties and/or phases.
My argument on the other hand has been straightforward, and uses straightforward reasoning - the physical and metaphysical properties operate uniformly within a single uniform blade.
It's physical characteristics are not seperate from its metaphysical, so Kratos couldn't possibly have resisted the blade and yet still have it yank out his soul, because the blades are a single and uniform object.
A much slower QTE sequence will demonstrate my point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-clnkD626bU#t=3m17s
Once again we see the exact same thing as in the first sequence happen to Kratos, the same thing that the Titans went through. You can't call this a durability feat for Kratos and then call it a different thing for the Titans because it was an older game where blood wasn't shown (which is flawed reasoning since all the GOW games have been bloody).
The blades primarily draw out souls, indication of blood is not relevant because in all instances the blades are ultimately sinking into their souls, not their flesh, in the process of soul stealing.
Your stance is convoluted and depends entirely on speculation and denying basic showings of physical properties prior to the soul grabbing actually taking place
with no actual argument against them other than that 'they don't matter'. The sound denial for example.
The very nature of the blades that I'm arguing for are showed exactly as I am describing it. Cronos and Atlas are physically affected by the hooks inside
them until the hooks attach to their soul, only THEN when the hooks physically attach to their soul and are bored out, do they then stop being physically
controlled by the hooks. This video you posted is also not a QTE, its an attack in gameplay, by QTE's I'm talking strictly unavoidable cutscenes.
And you entirely misunderstood me again. I did not say it was not physical in God of War 2, and only physical in God of War 3. I said older games will inevitably have minor artistic differences (Hell, explain why Hades' chains glow orange instead of purple in that game?), and thus the argument of: 'no blood shown by the hooks in an older game', is irrelevant when its shown in a newer one. In older games, the only time we've ever seen a Titan bleed is when Kratos was stabbing Typhon in the eye, but when you attack Typhon's fingers with the God of War 2 to free Pegasus, it hurts, him but there
is no blood. In Chains of Olympus, Kratos digs into Atlas' fingers and climbs up them and later attacks his palm, but there is no blood there either.
But in God of War 3, when you attack Cronos' fingers and some of the soft bits of his flesh, some blood does indeed come out. See? It's pointless debating using minor things like this from older games when they have incosistencies with newer ones--The newer games take command anyway. And the newer game shows the hooks causing Hades to
bleed and it shows Cronos as bleedable from mere superficial attacks that did show blood from Atlas or Typhon in older games.
With that said, saying Cronos and Atlas didn't have blood so its not physical because God of War shows blood 'all the time' is a fallacy here anyway. God of War's cinematic
showing of blood is always when its substantial to copious, zombies getting split in half, peoples' necks being lopped off etc. According to you apparently they can't NOT show blood because 'they always do other times'--that's stupid, reaching and is nothing but a baseless assumption of intent. A lack of minor blood from relatively tiny hooks that barely embedded into their chest does not overtake the fact that Hades was using leverage gained from the hooks and was physically controlling Cronos/Atlas with the hooks before they finally attached to the soul, and it was brought to the surface. At that point when the hooks are attached to the soul and no longer in them, it is THEN that are no longer being physically controlled. That is the evidence of 'interchangable phases' right there.
(Regardless, the prior point of them being older games with different artistic showings still takes precedence.)
In God of War 3, when Kratos gets hooked in his back, the initial impact causes him to arch back appropriately as if he was was about to be pulled in. His soul was in the same 'pose' that he was in the from the initial physical impact. That too is a clear showing of the 'interchanging of the phases' i.e. The soul takes the same 'pose' as the last physical pose held by the person while the blades themselves were still in physical contact. And they stay in that pose until the victim decides to up a struggle. We see this with Hades too. After Kratos hooks Hades a second time, with the soul ripping beginning shortly after, Hades' soul immediately takes the same physical pose his body was in, while Hades' body itself then becomes limp and slumped over while the soul keeps the same pose he himself was in just moments earlier while the hooks were still in him. Only after Kratos and Hades begin to struggle against the soul pull do the souls themselves change poses and start moving similarly to the bodies.
Again, your theory doesn't make much sense to me when in another cutscene when Hades swings the blades at Kratos again, and Kratos moves out of the way and it ends up carving up the arena in two. This is the exact same weapon, wielded by the exact same person, glowing in the exact same manner as the initial strike against Kratos. Your theory that it had no physical impact is just reaching. Especially when it later draws blood against Hades anyway. It doesn't matter if the main purpose of the blades is to pull souls, I never argued against that, but it doesn't make the showing of blood irrelevant to my point. Just the fact that it does show to draw blood on initial impact(--which is all my claim of it being a durability feat hinges on--initial impact.) makes my point stick.
You may ask why then does Kratos' soul pull happens immediately whereas it did not for Cronos/Atlas/Hades? Surprise attack had to do with it I suppose, not to mention Kratos’ smaller size.
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Originally posted by CosmicCometI don't even know what the hell you are trying to say here. You said the hooks have a single phase of two when used against characters, and was completely in an intangible phase when hitting Kratos, were that the case, then 'uniformly' it would have no physically related properties of sound either.
See above. The SFX for the blades sound the same throughout. When those blades hit Kratos in the gameplay sequences, they draw blood and make similar sounds.
Your point? That just means they are consistent. The fact that the sound of it hitting flesh takes place in a canonical cutscene upon initial impact, and only initial impact, means there was an initial impact period.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Your character statement argument that Hades' intention was to steal Kratos' soul is flawed as well, because 1.) that would assume that Hades meant physically hurting Kratos is something that would be mutually exclusive from taking his soul. We know this is not the case and that physical harm comes hand in hand with these soul stealing hooks.This is not an adequate argument, Hades in the cutscenes does this to all his victims, he did to both Cronos and Atlas. Why take the argument into irrelevant tangents concerning blood?
In GOW2 no blood is shown, in GOW 3 blood is shown for Hades but not Kratos (at least as far as the soul stealing sequence is concerned). There's way to many holes in this track of reasoning. Way too inconsistent to base an argument on, as we'll see it opening other irrelevant tangents like GOW 2 being an older game, but we've seen plenty of blood in GOW 2 as well.
It is more than adequate because you were more than just implying that all Hades was trying to do was take Kratos' soul and not cause physical pain when the hooks do indeed cause physical pain. The topic of blood is not 'irrelevant tangents' in the least--Seeing as your argument of lack of physical impact hinges GREATLY on the fact that there wasn't what would have been a minor amount of blood in an older game--this minor cosmetic detail of which is superceded by the fact that blood exists in a newer game. There is nothing inconsistent going on here, when the hooks were in Atlas and Cronos, they were physically anchored to them allowing Hades to control them with leverage--that is the physicality of it. The hooks were used to physical control Hades (and he reacted physically to both hook impacts on top of the blood) before the soul stealing began too--that there is the evidence for switching between physical and soul phases that I'm arguing for. By feats Kratos is also more durable than Titans anyway in God of War 3, which makes my claim that the hooks failed to penetrate Kratos all the more feasable. Whereas your 'uniform per use phase' still has no coherent argument for it.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
2.) Hades also made statements that he enjoys seeing Kratos in pain and wanted him to sufferHe says that in the middle of gameplay where his blades can indeed make Kratos bleed.
No. The instances I'm talking about he says that in cutscenes before they ever come face to face, both soon after Kratos just arrives in the Underworld, and just before Hades reveals himself out of the dark.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
3.) Hades tries to give himself the best advantage possible by trying to sneak up on Kratos when trying to steal his soul. He also was in an intermediate sized form to where he would have plenty of physical power for the swing, but would not be too big to where he gives his presence away immediately and thus loses his chance. Making Kratos bleed out with an intial physical cut would have weakened him and allowed for an easier soul stealing process. He would have no reason to try to hold back on this.Which brings us back to assuming the blades didn't affect Kratos because we don't see any visible blood. However, with reagards to soul stealing, the blades worked the same way they always do.
Your argument again assumes that the blades are interchanging their phases in the midst of swiping through Kratos.
Yes it does bring us back to that point. And its a relevant point. Why, would Hades hold back if we clearly know that the hooks can make you bleed before they steal your soul? The answer: he didn't hold back.
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Originally posted by CosmicComet
If you really want to argue from indefinite character intentions/statements, then my side of the argument for this angle is far stronger.Hades also says "your death will only be the beginning of your suffering." "your soul will taste sweet." He's intent doesn't differ from what actually happened to Kratos, because he's never failed to steal a soul before without outside interference aiding his victim. So Kratos resisting the soul steal was unprecedented.
Don't remember those. Probably some random non-guaranteed dialogue mid battle. Either way, neither his want for physical torture or eternal torture for Kratos conflict with each other. As for the 'unprecedented' nature of Kratos resisting his soul slash. Well, for Atlas it only came after Poseidon started his aid with lightning spells. For Cronos, it was less clear as we had no context, by the time the cutscene begins he's already hooked into Cronos and holding him from behind with even greater leverage than normal. Also, if you want to talk about unprecedented, what's unprecedented is the fact that Kratos killed numerous Gods, and up to that point even killed Hades' brother Poseidon, one of the 'big three'. Hades was not underestimating Kratos in the least, as already seen by him trying to give himself as big an advantage as possible by trying to sneak up. If he could have cut Kratos with that initial hook swing, then he was definitely already going for it. It failed.
Sin, I can't get back to your whole post right now, but just know that I addressed your moronic backwards game comparison on Cronos bleeding in GoW3 from kratos' blades and not from GoW2 against Hades' hooks in that first post on this page; I'll just restate it here:
Comparing prior game rules to future ones is stupid because of art inconsistencies. In Chains of Olympus when Kratos was climbing up Atlas' fingers with the blades, although there was a fleshy sound, there was no visible blood, now in GoW3, when Kratos attacks Cronos' fingers, there is blood there. Prior game inconsistencies is not a valid argument.
Moving back to the original point of the debate: Ryu cannot cut Kratos. And he can't. Ryu's cutting feats are absolutely pathetic relative to God of War's cutting feats. He cut through the wing of a small aircraft. And he cut through a normal 'human wielding sword resistant' (resistant, not invulnerable) werewolf. Sounds cool, but we already know the limits of Ryu wielding the dragon blade. Can he cut through a tank? Absolutely not. He requires special armor piercing arrows or explosive arrows to even damage the tank bosses. Lol.
I don't even have to tell you how much more durable Kratos is than a mere shitty tank, but I'll do it anyway. Kratos by feats is more durable than a being of ROCK weighing millions of tons, let a lone a shitty 70-100 ton tank made of mere metal. Ryu can't cut through a tank, Kratos can literally punch holes into a tank.
WTF? Are you arguing with yourself?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
In older games, the only time we've ever seen a Titan bleed is when Kratos was stabbing Typhon in the eye, but when you attack Typhon's fingers with the God of War 2 to free Pegasus, it hurts, him but there
is no blood. In Chains of Olympus, Kratos digs into Atlas' fingers and climbs up them and later attacks his palm, but there is no blood there either.
But in God of War 3, when you attack Cronos' fingers and some of the soft bits of his flesh, some blood does indeed come out. See? It's pointless debating using minor things like this from older games when they have incosistencies with newer ones--The newer games take command anyway. And the newer game shows the hooks causing Hades to
bleed and it shows Cronos as bleedable from mere superficial attacks that did show blood from Atlas or Typhon in older games.
The Blades of Exile were used instead Chaos or weakened Athena. There's your answer.
In God of War 3, when Kratos gets hooked in his back, the initial impact causes him to arch back appropriately as if he was was about to be pulled in.....
Again, your theory doesn't make much sense to me when in another cutscene when Hades swings the blades at Kratos again, and Kratos moves out of the way and it ends up carving up the arena in two. This is the exact same weapon, wielded by the exact same person, glowing in the exact same manner as the initial strike against Kratos. Your theory that it had no physical impact is just reaching. Especially when it later draws blood against Hades anyway. It doesn't matter if the main purpose of the blades is to pull souls, I never argued against that, but it doesn't make the showing of blood irrelevant to my point. Just the fact that it does show to draw blood on initial impact(--which is all my claim of it being a durability feat hinges on--initial impact.) makes my point stick.
Kratos wasn't even hooked. He was just surrounded by the blades and it managed to rip his soul. And the part where he ripped the room apart? Floors don't have souls so they would have physical effect. Also, Hades wasn't even trying to do a soul rip.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Moving back to the original point of the debate: Ryu cannot cut Kratos. And he can't.
Yes he can. The Dragon Sword has more feats than any of Kratos' weapons.
Ryu's cutting feats are absolutely pathetic relative to God of War's cutting feats. He cut through the wing of a small aircraft. And he cut through a normal 'human wielding sword resistant' (resistant, not invulnerable) werewolf. Sounds cool, but we already know the limits of Ryu wielding the dragon blade.
Let's also note that all these feats were done without the Eye of the Dragon.
You keep mentioning that Ryu's cutting feats are inferior to God of War's but where's your proof?
Can he cut through a tank? Absolutely not. He requires special armor piercing arrows or explosive arrows to even damage the tank bosses. Lol.
There was no Eye of the Dragon when he fought a tank. Even then, the Dragon Sword can still do damage. The arrows were just better in this situation.
I don't even have to tell you how much more durable Kratos is than a mere shitty tank, but I'll do it anyway. Kratos by feats is more durable than a being of ROCK weighing millions of tons, let a lone a shitty 70-100 ton tank made of mere metal. Ryu can't cut through a tank, Kratos can literally punch holes into a tank.
A tank is more durable than Gaia who's just made out of earth. Kratos was never pierced by the crab leg nor was he hooked by Hades' Claws.
Ryu can cut through tanks with the True Dragon Sword. If he can beat the Vigoor Emperor with the sword and shatter the Dark Dragon Blade, I can't see why a tank would pose any problem.
Of course tanks and wings of aircraft are more durable than a being made out of earth. A tank and an aircraft wing would completely remain intact after being hit by a lightning bolt amirite? Something made out of a metal three or four feet thick is way more durable than something made out of tonnes of earth compacted together.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
[B]WTF? Are you arguing with yourself?The Blades of Exile were used instead Chaos or weakened Athena. There's your answer.
Thank you for continuing to be dumb as shit. Cronos and Atlas are the same size. The blades of chaos and the blades of exile are the same size. Thus they dug in the same distance into Cronos and Atlas' skin/fingers. The blades being different weapons technically does nothing to dissuade the fact physics are still exactly the same. Such a STUPID point--but its par for the course from you. The older game didn't show blood, the newer game does. There are differing minor artistic touches for older games and thus the older ones aren't an applicable evidence for your argument. Dumb.
Kratos wasn't even hooked. He was just surrounded by the blades and it managed to rip his soul. And the part where he ripped the room apart? Floors don't have souls so they would have physical effect. Also, Hades wasn't even trying to do a soul rip.
He was hooked, and thus his back was arched from the initial impact just as if he was hooked in the back. The hades hooks aren't even his only cutting durability feat either as you already know.
Yes he can. The Dragon Sword has more feats than any of Kratos' weapons.
No. The dragon sword has zero feats on par with Kratos' cutting feats. The dragon sword has shown very low limitations in its feats as well, being unable to cut a tank AT ALL and having a hard to piercing a hollow buddha statue boss in Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2(I'll get to that in a bit).
Let's also note that all these feats were done without the Eye of the Dragon.You keep mentioning that Ryu's cutting feats are inferior to God of War's but where's your proof?
It has no relatively impressive feats even with the eye of the dragon so what's your point?
And I've posted some of Kratos' cutting feats already but you some how seem to ignore them and thinking cutting through a small fighter craft's wing and cutting a tough werewolf in half is more impressive.
There was no Eye of the Dragon when he fought a tank. Even then, the Dragon Sword can still do damage. The arrows were just better in this situation.
No. You cannot damage the tanks AT ALL with your swords. Your ninpo, exploding arrows and armor piercing arrows are the only way to damage them at all.
Let me expound more with another low showing of the dragon sword.
The dragon sword was little more than a blunt force weapon against the hollow buddha boss (and statue of liberty boss later) in Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. I.E. it could hurt them with force but little more than that. In a cutscene where Ryu stabs it in the forehead AFTER it was structurally compromised by a fall to the ground from high up, Ryu still couldn't even pierce all the way into its shallow weakened forehead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SHkR-yEg0
^1:25 to 1:29, Ryu knocks the statue off the building it was clinging to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ57W-MUko&feature=related
^buddha statue climbs back up for part 2 and its head was damaged by the fall. 2:55 to the end, Ryu pierces its already damaged and shallow forehead. And as we can see in this frame by knowing how little the dragon sword's handle is, even with a full force attempt at plunging the sword into the statue's forehead, it still didn't go all the way through. Halfway at best.
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A tank is more durable than Gaia who's just made out of earth. Kratos was never pierced by the crab leg nor was he hooked by Hades' Claws.
LOL.
Except Gaia is not made of 'earth' as in soil like you want to imply. She's made of craggy rock that's probably granite. A slab of granite of comparable dimensions to that tank would weigh at least 10 times as much due to greater density. Gaia fell a great distance off of Mt. Olympus when Kratos cut off her nearly severed hand. A tank would have been crushed from the distance she fell. Cronos also would have flattened that tank in his palms and Kratos withstood that.
The crab leg's point hit him entirely in the torso and he failed to keep it from doing that. All he did was push it OFF after the fact and during that pushing motion it becomes apparent how deeply it hit Kratos, as even when he was pushing it off, it was still in contact with his torso. Your vision is selectively bad here.
The hooks hooked him. Atropos failed to cut him. Zeus couldn't cut him when he blocked the BoO's edge with his bare hands, and kratos blocked the top edge of the BoO too. The giant scorpion boss grabbed/squeezed Kratos by the very inside (where the cutting power is strongest) of its scissor like claws and couldn't cut him either.
Ryu can cut through tanks with the True Dragon Sword. If he can beat the Vigoor Emperor with the sword and shatter the Dark Dragon Blade, I can't see why a tank would pose any problem.
I'm afraid that's a low showing for the Dark Dragon Blade's durability then. The tanks are the most durable obstacle in the Ninja Gaiden games. It sounds funny, because its man made, but its true. None of Ryu's magical bosses are immune to being cut by him. The tanks were.
Originally posted by iChaos
My entire post was filled with sarcasm. An aircraft wing 2-3 feet thick is in no way more durable than something that fell for several miles and wasn't damaged upon impact. Her hand can withstand a lot more PSI than that wing.
Apologies if I misunderstood your intention with that picture >__>.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Of course tanks and wings of aircraft are more durable than a being made out of [b]earth. A tank and an aircraft wing would completely remain intact after being hit by a lightning bolt amirite? Something made out of a metal three or four feet thick is way more durable than something made out of tonnes of earth compacted together. [/B]
to compound your point, im pretty sure that you can actually go right through the armor of a plane with a butter knife...
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
to compound your point, im pretty sure that you can actually go right through the armor of a plane with a butter knife...
To compound your point, I'm pretty sure that you can actually go right through rocks and tonnes of compacted earth with a plastic knife...
Stupid point is stupid.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He was hooked, and thus his back was arched from the initial impact just as if he was hooked in the back. The hades hooks aren't even his only cutting durability feat either as you already know.
He wasn't touched by hooked ends. His back was arched because his soul was getting reeled in.
It has no relatively impressive feats even with the eye of the dragon so what's your point?And I've posted some of Kratos' cutting feats already but you some how seem to ignore them and thinking cutting through a small fighter craft's wing and cutting a tough werewolf in half is more impressive.
The Dragon Sword can only be used by certain people since its spiritual power can overwhelm people. And that's without the Dragon Eye which was powerful enough to defeat the Vigoor Emperor and Archfiend
I don't remember you posting any feats besides Cestus destroying onyx (and that's not a cutting feat). I remember breaking Atlas's chains but those were rusting and even the Dragon Sword can do that.
No. You cannot damage the tanks AT ALL with your swords. Your ninpo, exploding arrows and armor piercing arrows are the only way to damage them at all.
Ok so I was wrong.
Let me expound more with another low showing of the dragon sword.
The dragon sword was little more than a blunt force weapon against the hollow buddha boss (and statue of liberty boss later) in Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. I.E. it could hurt them with force but little more than that. In a cutscene where Ryu stabs it in the forehead AFTER it was structurally compromised by a fall to the ground from high up, Ryu still couldn't even pierce all the way into its shallow weakened forehead.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-SHkR-yEg0
^1:25 to 1:29, Ryu knocks the statue off the building it was clinging to.
Not good enough besides, the Dragon Sword was treated like a blunt weapon in the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHJ57W-MUko&feature=related
^buddha statue climbs back up for part 2 and its head was damaged by the fall. 2:55 to the end, Ryu pierces its already damaged and shallow forehead. And as we can see in this frame by knowing how little the dragon sword's handle is, even with a full force attempt at plunging the sword into the statue's forehead, it still didn't go all the way through. Halfway at best.
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The Blade of Olympus didn't go all the way through Gaia before Kratos was thrown down into River Styx. Are we going to assume that Blade of Olympus is weak too?
Also to note, the True Dragon Sword wasn't used.
The crab leg's point hit him entirely in the torso and he failed to keep it from doing that. All he did was push it OFF after the fact and during that pushing motion it becomes apparent how deeply it hit Kratos, as even when he was pushing it off, it was still in contact with his torso. Your vision is selectively bad here.
No it didn't. Kratos grab hold of the appendage inches before it hit him.
The hooks hooked him. Atropos failed to cut him. Zeus couldn't cut him when he blocked the BoO's edge with his bare hands, and kratos blocked the top edge of the BoO too. The giant scorpion boss grabbed/squeezed Kratos by the very inside (where the cutting power is strongest) of its scissor like claws and couldn't cut him either.1. They hooked him but didn't cause physical damage.
2. Because Kratos was never grabbed.
3. He wasn't cut. It was all blunt damage
4. The pincers aren't sharp.[QUOTE][B]
I'm afraid that's a low showing for the Dark Dragon Blade's durability then.
The Dragon Sword had the Eye of the Dragon at the time. It was at least the DDB's level.
The tanks are the most durable obstacle in the Ninja Gaiden games. It sounds funny, because its man made, but its true. None of Ryu's magical bosses are immune to being cut by him. The tanks were.
A tank wouldn't survive the explosion at the end of the final fight in Ninja Gaiden 2. Does that mean Ryu is more durable than his own sword?
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
[B]He wasn't touched by hooked ends. His back was arched because his soul was getting reeled in.
And there is a connection between the physical body and soul. His body was arched upon contact because thats how anyone would react to being reeled in from hooks, but after that, it was no longer reeling him in as it grabbed the soul and he was able to move almost independently of the soul after that.
The Dragon Sword can only be used by certain people since its spiritual power can overwhelm people. And that's without the Dragon Eye which was powerful enough to defeat the Vigoor Emperor and ArchfiendI don't remember you posting any feats besides Cestus destroying onyx (and that's not a cutting feat). I remember breaking Atlas's chains but those were rusting and even the Dragon Sword can do that.
-The rusted chain link is bigger cutting feat than anything Ryu has done due to the massive size of it and the fact that it was part of a chain that was restraining motherfuggin Atlas himself. Ryu took longer to cut an aircraft wing than he should have.
-Like I said also, Kratos also climbs up the massive Chain of Balance too using the Blades of Exile, and that wasn't rusted at all.
-Kratos can pierce Gaia effortlessly with either the BoO or the Blades of Athena.
-During the Leviathan fight, Kratos jumps off the Leviathan and goes hurling towards a mountain and he uses the Blades to catch himself on the mountain, but they couldn't even stop his descent immediately against the mountain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzGvWPQjxs&feature=related
^from 2:15 to 2:21.
-And Kratos can cut through the leviathan's limbs which themselves are able to easily pierce through rock easily.
-Also, besides the Cestus, The Blades of Olympus used in Rage of Sparta mode is the only other thing that can harm Oynyx formations. And Kratos blocked that with his bare hands.
And we both know that Kratos would have no troubles cutting a tank. If you are honest, you would not try to deny that.
Ok so I was wrong.
Not good enough besides, the Dragon Sword was treated like a blunt weapon in the game.
The Blade of Olympus didn't go all the way through Gaia before Kratos was thrown down into River Styx. Are we going to assume that Blade of Olympus is weak too?Also to note, the True Dragon Sword wasn't used.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4925/saved.png
No it didn't. Kratos grab hold of the appendage inches before it hit him.
The point didn't miss him at all, the initial impact caused Kratos to buckle to his knees, and even
after that the leviathan was still applying pressure, as seen by Kratos' struggle. If you don't press circle,
it will promptly just pin you to the ground through your abs, killing you from where you are crouching, no extra motion necessary.
Why? Because the point was already in contact with you. Seeing as the Leviathans are strong enough to block a punch from
Gaia and effortless cause her to reel from the impact of their blows, there is no way Kratos stopped the initial force behind that point from connecting
with him.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7677/saved2.png
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6708/saved3.png
^As you can see the point is fully in contact with his torso. Even after he starts pushing it up, its still in contact with his torso. It hit deep.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7605/saved4.png
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1213/saved5.png
^I don't see how I even have to explain this one...being PULLED IN (and then held) by Atropos' long completely flat sword like talons and not being cut is a massive durability feat.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4020/saved10.png
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/354/saved11.png
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4492/saved12.png
^The scorpion's pincers. I knew some haphazard 'its not sharp' argument would be made. Look at the third picture. The top and bottom half angle/taper to an edge (the DDB is similar)and the edges slide past each other. Basically, exactly like scissors. So Kratos got grabbed/squeezed at the very back (fulcrum I think) of a giant ****ing pair of scissors and wasn't cut at all. If that isn't a cutting durability feat then I don't know what is.
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^And of course, Kratos blocks the top edge of the BoO and the blocks the edge in general of the BoO twice. The same weapon bladed weapon that can actually damage onyx crystals.
(I'm sorry that I could only link to the images and not post them properly, it said I had too many images. This board's limitations suck)
After all these feats, it can only be made apparent that you have some sort of mental block in acknowledging clear feats just because
Kratos got killed by Zeus and Ares in the past by being impaled, and that somehow means Ryu can do so as well. "Kratoz is made of
teh skinz, he can cutz by swordz" Sorry bud. Everything in context: Zeus is millions of times stronger than anyone in the NG universe in
just his bare 'human sized' form and Ares in his full sized god form is presumably even stronger than that--not to mention Kratos was much weaker than he is now when Ares killed him. I'm not saying Kratos is a Superman/Captain Marvel level character in durability, but he clearly has GREAT psi durability regardless.
The Dragon Sword had the Eye of the Dragon at the time. It was at least the DDB's level.
A tank wouldn't survive the explosion at the end of the final fight in Ninja Gaiden 2. Does that mean Ryu is more durable than his own sword?
Except we know that Ryu can be cut down by swords and is not bulletproof. We never see him in that explosion at all, that's why I said from the beginning that its not a viable durability feat.
