Originally posted by galactusischere
You can't be above omnipotence.
There are levels of omnipotence.
Proof:
"While we, on the other hand, are limited by our omnipotence." - Kubik
"You're deemed worthy to retain your omnipotent position within your own universe." - Living Tribunal to the Beyonder
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Originally posted by Allankles
The Presence and the Primal Monitor are one and the same. Or should I say the Presence (or you could call it the Source/Overvoid) is the infinite unknowable mind of the Primal Monitor, a representation of the canvas on which artists and writers create all their fiction.
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Originally posted by Astner
Incorrect.There are levels of omnipotence.
Proof:
"While we, on the other hand, are limited by our omnipotence." - Kubik
"You're deemed worthy to retain your omnipotent position within your own universe." - Living Tribunal to the Beyonder
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theres a difference ,Dormammu is omnipotent in his realm, eternity is omnipotent in a single universe (his universe) LT is omnipotent in the multiverse, Toaa is omnipotent for the omniverse.
yes there are different levels but only Toaa is "truley" omnipotent
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
why the hell does the presence need to explore the universe?
if he is omnipotent he can scan the whole omniverse in .00001 seconds and be done with, better yet he should have known about it in the first place 😬
The PM wasn't exploring the universe he was exploring a microscopic part of his infinite being. Try to imagine exploring through infinite space, that happens to be all a part of you, he created the Monitors &/or Angels to deal with this.
He's supposed to represent all the mediums onto which DC fiction is translated to, makes sense from that point of view.
Envision this potential space for potential stories as an infinite living void. The Overvoid is an infinite living space where any "story' could be created, a living void that houses the entire DC fiction and potential fictions.
Mandrakk (a part of this living void that felt contaminated by stories) threatened to consume all the stories within this infinite void, stories that essential formed the microscopic clusters of life called multiverse/creation.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
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Originally posted by Colossus-Big Ctheres a difference ,Dormammu is omnipotent in his realm, eternity is omnipotent in a single universe (his universe) LT is omnipotent in the multiverse, Toaa is omnipotent for the omniverse.
yes there are different levels but only Toaa is "truley" omnipotent
In Marvel, what makes one omnipotent, is being able to warp space-time on a cosmic scale.
And there are several beings that are omnipotent on an omniversal scale.
TOAA is not one of them, TOAA is not to be categorized in levels of any kind,
since TOAA is the one that makes characters "omnipotent" with a stroke of their pencil.
In fact, TOAA even stated that he doesn't even know what's gonna happen next,
until the story is imagined by his other half (his collaborator the 'Writer"😉
This is an obvious relation to a limited human perception, since that's what TOAA represents.
TOAA > in-universe supreme beings/Gods whatever.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
The Presence has had several indications of not being omnipotent, such as God Swamp Thing threatening to replace him, the whole GEB incident, this new stuff about the Primal Monitor, and of course the quote at the end of Lucifer. TOAA doesn't have such flaws
No in-universe character can replace The Presence.
As I see, The Primal Monitor created The Presence to be the sole being that reigns supreme in the DC omniverse.
And by the PM's concept, he may be the readers and/or the DC writers/artists, and not a singular cosmic being.
I think people are getting too hung up on the definition of Omnipotent, really its the writers' faults for using the term so cavalierly to refer to any Tom, Dick, or Harry that seems to be all powerful in the eyes of mere Mortals.
According to the OHOTMU (though its questionable if such an opinion is 'canon' for DC as well, though in this case I side with Marvel on their interpretation) that in effect the Omniverse includes all fiction as well as the real world and it could be argued (indeed it is logically imperative to understand) that if this is true and DC and Marvel both share an Omniverse that the PM/Presence and TOAA are one in the same and are merely different manifestations in different parts of the Omniverse.
Indeed you can't have (if I might quote the mostly God-awful movie Forbidden Kingdom) two Tigers on One Mountain. A truly Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent Being can only be singular as a matter of logic because if you have two beings that know everything (including what the other knows and is thinking) and share the same exact space (being Omnipresent) then there is in effect no real distinction between them since they occupy both the same point of reality (everything) and have the same exact thought processes and knowledge (again, everything).
Is my view speculation? Yes. Conjecture? Yes. Canon? Probably not. Is it logical? I like to think so.
IMO this is a stalemate because this fight essentially translates to "Me vs Myself vs I Pure h/h Slugfest".
