Darkseid and Dr Doom vs Thanos and Lex Luthor

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He healed Orion with a wave of his hand, when Orion was torn literally in half, and later he (again with a wave of his hand) resurrected an entire army of slain Parademons. You're telling me that suddenly his healing powers wouldn't translate to a few minor wounds to his eyes?

Notice I've never once claimed to be unbiased when it comes to Darkseid but unlike you and your pathological obsession with ensuring Thanos always wins that seems to lead you to mercilessly lowballing his forum rival I don't adopt such terrible double-standards to argue points I know aren't true. Anyone who has even one faint iota of respect and understanding for Darkseid as a character would be able to tell that AN was a PIS-ridden Jobbfest that according to the rules of the forum shouldn't even be a matter of debate.

When Superman takes on Darkseid an dholds his own it's not lowballing it's the norm. Big difference there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, i am because you are trying to act as if he is unstoppabale based on a few showings.

When Superman takes on Darkseid an dholds his own it's not lowballing it's the norm. Big difference there.

No argument on the 'hold his own' point, depending on your definition of holding his own. Its a fact that Superman's durability and speed make him a threat to Darkseid and allow him to hold his own but any situation where Darkseid gets pummeled and uses none of his relevant powers to fight back is an example of PIS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's not recognized by marvel as canon to the real Thanos. Bottom line so I guess jokes just aren't your thing either.

Doom has never had Mangog aid him so I doubt he would follow Doom's orders like the thanosi's. Doom had help through a brilliant manipulator in Loki while a Thanosi was the brains behind his operation while Doom failed despite Loki's help and insight.

Not the real Thanos. I seem to recall Doom being overrun by squirrels. He was almost beaten to death by Thor. Just regular I can show up and crush Doom despite all his prep. What an awesome showing for Doom.

Thanos clone failed despite having Mangog at his side, one of the most physically powerful foes Thor ever faced, Tarakkis running interference and having an enormous amp. Are you turning your nose up at the Thanos clone who failed despite all that help? No. Just at other characters. Yet another example of your hypocritical double-standards and self-serving schlup.

The real Thanos. Least Doom never got pounded on by Squirrel Girl and laid out unconscious. Once again, Doom didn't have Mangog at his side saving him from getting mightily pummeled by Thor. Thanos clone did have Mangog at his side from getting mightiliy pummeled by Thor. Again. Because Thor did just that to the Thanos clone. Trying to deflect from your own childish arrogance and tunnel-vision doesn't make your pathetic attempts at side-tracking anymore cogent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You acted as if time travel equals dead Thanos when he is prepping against that said person. Once again you put your foot in your mouth and based on what it's taken to defeat Thanos with prep it's highly unlikely Doom can easily take Thanos out when he is prepping for Doom himself.

I simply said it's obviously not as easy as you think. Common sense to odg. Please come in.

It's not canon to the real Thanos.

And I simply revealed how you've been arguing against what you wish I had said, instead of responding to my arguments directly. Shut the hell up to quan. Please come in.

It's canon to the real Thanos. On-panel.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Right because that's totally not what you do with Thanos. Not at all. Nope, no way that could be the case. No sir. 😐

No argument on the 'hold his own' point, depending on your definition of holding his own. Its a fact that Superman's durability and speed make him a threat to Darkseid and allow him to hold his own but any situation where Darkseid gets pummeled and uses none of his relevant powers to fight back is an example of PIS.

No, it's an example or are examples of Superman being his peer and imo his superior in one on one combat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It is recognized as canon to the real Thanos. Pulling crap outta your behind doesn't count as proof. Bottom line is, you like to divorce punchlines form the joke. Sorry if the real Thanos getting beat up was the punchline, get over it.

Thanos clone failed despite having Mangog at his side, one of the most physically powerful foes Thor ever faced, Tarakkis running interference and having an enormous amp. Are you turning your nose up at the Thanos clone who failed despite all that help? No. Just at other characters. Yet another example of your hypocritical double-standards and self-serving schlup.

The real Thanos. Least Doom never got pounded on by Squirrel Girl and laid out unconscious. Once again, Doom didn't have Mangog at his side saving him from getting mightily pummeled by Thor. Thanos clone did have Mangog at his side from getting mightiliy pummeled by Thor. Again. Because Thor did just that to the Thanos clone. Trying to deflect from your own childish arrogance and tunnel-vision doesn't make your pathetic attempts at side-tracking anymore cogent. No.. other people may have said that. Good job following the conversation. I criticized anybody rebutting that proposition by suggesting that Thanos is immune to time manipulation somehow because Kronos never does the job himself. Which is utterly stupid considering Thanos has been utterly helpless against time manipulation before. Good job following the conversation.

And I simply revealed how you've been arguing against what you wish I had said, instead of responding to my arguments directly. Shut the hell up to quan. Please come in.

It's canon to the real Thanos. On-panel.

There's nothing to get over since it isn't recognized.

The Thanosi had Odin taken out of the situation and looked far better in terms of intelligence and as a threat in general compared to Doom who was beat by Thor showing up despite all his prep and the Destroyer.

No, it was a clone. Doom's been almost beaten to death by Thor at classic levels so please don't even dare attempt to compare that ff villain Doom to the biggest villain in marvel history, Thanos. Your desperation is legendary.

My point has always been if it were as easy as you implied then Kronos wouldn't have needed to go to all the trouble of creating Drax now would he?

Who wins this thread iyo?

Originally posted by quanchi112
When have I ever stated Thanos was unstoppable?

It should be noted that I've never once stated Darkseid was unstoppable, I've even recanted my previous position that Superman should never, ever be able to beat him in combat to a more moderate 'Superman takes 2/10'. Face it Quan you can accuse me of bias all you want but your opinion on the subject means all of shit when you're considered by almost everyone to be the biggest and most biased Thanos fanboy on the forum.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it clearly is only a joke.

There's nothing to get over since it isn't recognized.

The Thanosi had Odin taken out of the situation and looked far better in terms of intelligence and as a threat in general compared to Doom who was beat by Thor showing up despite all his prep and the Destroyer.

Just because you don't wish to recognize it, doesn't render it inapplicable to deconstructing your hypocrisies.

You mean the Thanos clone that rightly said Odin had defeated Thanos once before? Hmph. in any case, the Dark Gods were the ones that really took Odin out. Don't kid yourself. Sorry, but the Thanos clone having Mangog, Tarakkis AND a huge amp and failing reeks of a failure comparable to that of Doom's, whose preparations weren't even complete (a point made on-panel).

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it was a clone. Doom's been almost beaten to death by Thor at classic levels so please don't even dare attempt to compare that ff villain Doom to the biggest villain in marvel history, Thanos. Your desperation is legendary.

My point has always been if it were as easy as you implied then Kronos wouldn't have needed to go to all the trouble of creating Drax now would he?

Who wins this thread iyo?

LT can't beat Rune on his own by that logic. So it's stupid logic, i.e., quanchilogic. I see you've recovered well from arguing with me over something I've never said, i.e., not at all.

Haven't thought about it. Too busy reveling in the irony of your posts. But both teams have a fair shot.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Never directly or in those exact words but you've endlessly wanked him to the point that you give him the win over any DC character who doesn't have a ton of consistently good feats putting them safely in the Abstract category and give him the autowin over any DC character that doesn't have combat feats (Lucifer) or has a somewhat spotty record of low showings (Darkseid) regardless of their true place in the pecking order.

It should be noted that I've never once stated Darkseid was unstoppable, I've even recanted my previous position that Superman should never, ever be able to beat him in combat to a more moderate 'Superman takes 2/10'. Face it Quan you can accuse me of bias all you want but your opinion on the subject means all of shit when you're considered by almost everyone to be the biggest and most biased Thanos fanboy on the forum.

Yes, right here you admit Superman stands no chance regardless of what comic after comic shows us. hell, go pick up mk vs. dc and see Supes beating him there or the animated cartoon where he does so. It happens everywhere.

I am not biased towards mighty Thanos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Clearly a joke on Thanos. Yes. haw-som

Just because you don't wish to recognize it, doesn't render it inapplicable to deconstructing your hypocrisies.

You mean the Thanos clone that rightly said Odin had defeated Thanos once before? Hmph. in any case, the Dark Gods were the ones that really took Odin out. Don't kid yourself. Sorry, but the Thanos clone having Mangog, Tarakkis AND a huge amp and failing reeks of a failure comparable to that of Doom's, whose preparations weren't even complete (a point made on-panel).
Yes, it was the real Thanos. Doom's defeat at the hands of Thor still doesn't approach that of Thanos' curbstomping by Squirrel Girl. Who said I was comparing Doom to Thanos? That's what you've been trying to do the entire time to deflect from your hypocrisies over Darkseid/Thanos. I'm simply and continually just pointing that out.

LT can't beat Rune on his own by that logic. So it's stupid logic, i.e., quanchilogic. I see you've recovered well from arguing with me over something I've never said, i.e., not at all.

Haven't thought about it. Too busy reveling in the irony of your posts. But both teams have a fair shot.

Again, you agree the Thanos clone did much better than Doom who was moronic enough to get caught and let that human escape to warn Balder. That's hilarious that someone peeped and ruined his awesome plans. I guess he should have closed the curtains.

The noncanon showing happened off panel so you don't know if she had help, he tripped, etc. LOL.

No, I never said Thanos couldn't be beaten by Kronos I said time travel doesn't mean auto win over Thanos.

So you showed up in this thread and haven't thought about who wins it? You are truly unique odg.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid's true place in the pecking order is less than Superman. That's not me that's dc. Lucy wasn't as powerful as people made him out to be he was very intelligent but power level I saw Michael go down to far less than what would defeat Thanos. I read his whole series and wasn't blown away by any of it, powerwise.

Yes, right here you admit Superman stands no chance regardless of what comic after comic shows us. hell, go pick up mk vs. dc and see Supes beating him there or the animated cartoon where he does so. It happens everywhere.

I am not biased towards mighty Thanos.

Right and cartoons and video games have what to do with comics exactly? Also you didn't read my statement fully (again I'm not surprised given your piss-poor learning skills) because I state that Superman has a chance. He just doesn't stomp DS like you imply.
You say I ignore comics but then you ignore the majority of comics featuring their fights that show DS being his superior or at the very least equal in personal combat. Even the most conservative (but logical) estimate of DSs personal power would give him a 6-7/10 majority over Superman.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'll chock up you not being 'impressed' by Lucifer as a result of you not understanding what was going on. Too many high concepts for your limited comprehension.

Right and cartoons and video games have what to do with comics exactly? Also you didn't read my statement fully (again I'm not surprised given your piss-poor learning skills) because I state that Superman has a chance. He just doesn't stomp DS like you imply.
You say I ignore comics but then you ignore the majority of comics featuring their fights that show DS being his superior or at the very least equal in personal combat. Even the most conservative (but logical) estimate of DSs personal power would give him a 6-7/10 majority over Superman.

I have given comic book example after example and that's not good enough so we have Superman also beating his ass in games and toons. He's done it in comics as well but you ignore that and pretty much everything else which has Superman beat or stand up to him.

Ds can beat Superman but Superman can beat ds making them peers. I feel superman gets the majority.

I think Superman can take a solid majority over DS in a h2h encounter. DS durability and h2h skills are shall we say... inferior. HOWEVER, I do feel like DS is clearly above supes in a overall power and higher up on the pecking order. DS is a villian and will lose to supes via CIS or PIS but that doesn't mean supes is more powerful. It sometimes means Supes just has to win and save the day.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Clearly a joke directed at a writer.

Again, you agree the Thanos clone did much better than Doom who was moronic enough to get caught and let that human escape to warn Balder. That's hilarious that someone peeped and ruined his awesome plans. I guess he should have closed the curtains.

The noncanon showing happened off panel so you don't know if she had help, he tripped, etc. LOL.

No, I never said Thanos couldn't be beaten by Kronos I said time travel doesn't mean auto win over Thanos.

So you showed up in this thread and haven't thought about who wins it? You are truly unique odg.

Not at all, you clown. Think about it. The Thanos clone had (i) Mangog and Tarrakis (who were fighting Thor), and (ii) completed prep in the form of a huge amp. Doom had (i) Loki (who was artfully playing both sides and never fought with Thor), (ii) prep cut short in the form of unfinished Destroyer armor. Trying to compare the two situations is fitting a square peg in a round hole. The extent to which you force such comparisons is utterly atrocious (in addition to hypocritical).

No help (other than Monkey Joe). If Thanos tripped in your mind, that's still humilating.

No you kept forcing some reverse-projection that Kronos somehow is thwarted by Thanos into using non-descript time powers on him.

I saw your post. Which was ironic. Said so. You asked me to explain. I did. You kept engaging in last word theatrics and further hypocrisies. I kept deconstructing. I didn't have the time to focus on the matchup and how it would play out as I, among others, have been watching the car-wreck of your arguments. Quite fascinating really.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it's just I don't hype certain characters when it's clear what made him a badass wasn't his power level it was his manipulative abilities and intelligence.

I have given comic book example after example and that's not good enough so we have Superman also beating his ass in games and toons. He's done it in comics as well but you ignore that and pretty much everything else which has Superman beat or stand up to him.

Ds can beat Superman but Superman can beat ds making them peers. I feel superman gets the majority.

Silver Surfer can defeat Doom easily in combat but Doom's tech and intelligence can allow him to defeat Surfer, that doesn't make them peers in power and it doesn't give Doom the majority in a forum match.

So in conclusion: Superman's righteous Kryptonian fury=/=power parity and won't give him the majority just as Doom's intelligence and tech won't give Doom the majority against Surfer in a straight up fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think Superman can take a solid majority over DS in a h2h encounter. DS durability and h2h skills are shall we say... inferior. HOWEVER, I do feel like DS is clearly above supes in a overall power and higher up on the pecking order. DS is a villian and will lose to supes via CIS or PIS but that doesn't mean supes is more powerful. It sometimes means Supes just has to win and save the day.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes, by using Thanos. peaches

Not at all, you clown. Think about it. The Thanos clone had [b](i) Mangog and Tarrakis (who were fighting Thor), and (ii) completed prep in the form of a huge amp. Doom had (i) Loki (who was artfully playing both sides and never fought with Thor), (ii) prep cut short in the form of unfinished Destroyer armor. Trying to compare the two situations is fitting a square peg in a round hole. The extent to which you force such comparisons is utterly atrocious (in addition to hypocritical).

No help (other than Monkey Joe). If Thanos tripped in your mind, that's still humilating.

No you kept forcing some reverse-projection that Kronos somehow is thwarted by Thanos into using non-descript time powers on him.

I saw your post. Which was ironic. Said so. You asked me to explain. I did. You kept engaging in last word theatrics and further hypocrisies. I kept deconstructing. I didn't have the time to focus on the matchup and how it would play out as I, among others, have been watching the car-wreck of your arguments. Quite fascinating really. [/B]

Of course you distance yourself from the situation as Doom was nearly killed and embarrassed by Thor who simply needed to show up and beat him. The other Thor needed an amp while Thor didn't to defeat Doom who wasn't fighting under his normal power either.

The clone was defeated but it was only a clone.

I simply stated it's not as if it is that simple.

So I guess chewing bubble gum and walking takes practice for you since multiple posts and what not isn't enough time to fully get involved in this and render an opinion.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
So I guess chewing bubble gum and walking takes practice for you since multiple posts and what not isn't enough time to fully get involved in this and render an opinion.

😂

Originally posted by Blanket
Somebody watched The Suite Life of Zack & Cody...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The ability of two characters to beat each other doesn't make them peers. Superman can beat Darkseid thanks mainly to his insane reservoir of power he can draw on when enraged or when fighting for the sake of another (which is pretty much every time he meets DS) but his powerset isn't nearly as impressive as Darkseid's laundry list of feats with the Omega Effect.

Silver Surfer can defeat Doom easily in combat but Doom's tech and intelligence can allow him to defeat Surfer, that doesn't make them peers in power and it doesn't give Doom the majority in a forum match.

So in conclusion: Superman's righteous Kryptonian fury=/=power parity and won't give him the majority just as Doom's intelligence and tech won't give Doom the majority against Surfer in a straight up fight.

Doom also doesn't stalemate or beat the Surfer in direct combat without aid of some plot device while Superman does so against Darkseid.

Surfer>Doom while Superman>Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care who is more powerful Superman is stronger imo and a lo tmore impressive in hand to hand combat. Ds has one trump card and it's the omega effect and when it fails he fails.

Doom also doesn't stalemate or beat the Surfer in direct combat without aid of some plot device while Superman does so against Darkseid.

Surfer>Doom while Superman>Darkseid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not to be taken seriously though they threw it in at the end.

Of course you distance yourself from the situation as Doom was nearly killed and embarrassed by Thor who simply needed to show up and beat him. The other Thor needed an amp while Thor didn't to defeat Doom who wasn't fighting under his normal power either.

The clone was defeated but it was only a clone.

I simply stated it's not as if it is that simple.

So I guess chewing bubble gum and walking takes practice for you since multiple posts and what not isn't enough time to fully get involved in this and render an opinion.

Distance what? I just completely explained it to you. Y'hear that whoosing sound? That was the point. I reveal to you the complete and utter hypocrisy and forced comparison directly on that situation, and you're still trying to deflect? Adorable. Inane... but just adorable.

Thanos was defeated but it was only Thanos, as confirmed on-panel. Pheer Squirrel Girl!

Yeah. So concession accepted that you acknowledge that Thanos has been utterly susceptible to time manipulation before, that time-travel doesn't = insta-win against him, and that any notion Thanos thwarts Kronos' direct intervention upon Thanos is nonsense. I'm proud of you.

I guess you can't focus on the debate we've been having and want to switch topics because it's too painful for you to continue on what we're discussing now. K.