Originally posted by quanchi112
Correct.I referenced that as I read it I just forgot what issue number. Such a terrible read that issue.
It was embarrassing for him to be dismissed so easily with his men by Superman.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt was done by Superman just getting it done. It didn't really even seem like he needed to really exert himself in this issue. When he needed to he owned them all. Another example of why Superman is not only on his level but that he's superior one on one.
Nothing casual about it. Superman speedblitzed them all, its one of his better feats of speed and strength. Casual would imply he just walked up and pushed DS through the Boom Tube.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was done by Superman just getting it done. It didn't really even seem like he needed to really exert himself in this issue. When he needed to he owned them all. Another example of why Superman is not only on his level but that he's superior one on one.
Originally posted by Omega VisionWrong. If something happens over and over again it's a comic book fact. You can dismiss all of Darkseid's bad showings but this makes you biased. Odin is well above the Surfer as is Thanos and you don't see either one struggle with him in reality with everyone's powers intact. Darkseid has struggled with Superman so often and been outright crushed it's not even debatable anymore. You can stretch and deny but these books are canon and you don't decide what dc decides is in continuity.
Not at all. Darkseid's entity creation, matter manipulation, and Omega powers are beyond anything that Superman can hope to accomplish. You're making the mistake of assuming that just because PIS is consistent means that its not PIS anymore. That isn't and shouldn't be the case, otherwise Classic Kingpin would have been a genuine Class 10 and Spider-Man would be Rhino's superior despite Rhino's powerset being far beyond Spidey's.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wrong. If something happens over and over again it's a comic book fact. You can dismiss all of Darkseid's bad showings but this makes you biased. Odin is well above the Surfer as is Thanos and you don't see either one struggle with him in reality with everyone's powers intact. Darkseid has struggled with Superman so often and been outright crushed it's not even debatable anymore. You can stretch and deny but these books are canon and you don't decide what dc decides is in continuity.
There are only two occasions of Superman straight up beating DS and in both cases you're one of the few people who doesn't see how crappy the writing was.
Originally posted by quanchi112Worse against Squirrel Girl. One-shotted by Warlock and Drax.
Not at all in the same manner as Thanos has been.So you agree Thanosi had him dead to rights. Moving on. Doom is involved in this thread and by comparison and with Loki's aid fared worse against a much crappier asgard. So this is relevant to the thread as this is prep. Even with prep Doom got crushed by Thor.
Has Thanos or has he not manipulated time before?
Are you stupid? The Thanosi had him on the ropes by relying on Mangog's help. In Thor's first encounter, he waylays an unamped Thanosi out and Mangog ambushes him and pummels Thor til the Thanosi recovers. Doom prepping against Asgardians and being interrupted before finishing has nothing to do with your hypocritical attitude towards Darkseid. Poor deflection.
He's manipulated his position in the timestream before, aka a long-winded way of saying time-travel. I am unaware of him manipulating time itself, only being helpless against it.
Originally posted by quanchi112You did state that Thanos never gets beaten unless he allows them: "a hero can only beat Thanos if he subconsciously allows it and that seems to have gone to the wasteside." And you were wrong. Squirrel Girl, Warlock, Drax. Qualifying your incorrect statements after the fact doesn't make your original arguments anymore cogent and doesn't change the fact that you were wrong again. Knock the quaneuvering off.
I never said Thanos doesn't ever get beaten I said when he puts his mind to it it takes a lot more to take him down than anyone else in this thread. He told Drax to give him a moment and was killed and was taken by surprise by warlock's ghost. That's pretty much it. Compare that to darkseid prepping for DD to where he got his ass handed to him.Sg isn't canon.
Thanos wasn't going to let things escalate and found out before it was too late so again no shame there. He took measures to find out his true intentions through Moondragon so again Thanos covered his bases.
If there is one character out there who has humiliated Darkseid at every turn on every medium it's Superman.
Squirrel Girl is canon, get over it.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
He didn't punch him as I recall. He threw him back along with his goons. Darkseid was fit as a fiddle on the otherside, just really annoyed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Worse against Squirrel Girl. One-shotted by Warlock and Drax.
^ Amped by what? It was his soul (and Warlock was killed by his past self, not by Thanos). And I assume had Thanos been aware of Drax's impending kill-shot, he wouldn't have asked Moondragon to distract him or plead with Drax to not do what he did. He was plainly and legitimately shocked at what happened. Squirrel Girl's joke character status isn't the point. The point is, any of Darkseid's humilations at the hands of Superman don't even approach this:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Amped by what? It was his soul (and Warlock was killed by his past self, not by Thanos).
Afterwards, he is resurrected and amped by Master Order and/or Lord Chaos, and kills Thanos. That's the only time I recall Warlock killing Thanos.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And I assume had Thanos been aware of Drax's impending kill-shot, he wouldn't have asked Moondragon to distract him or plead with Drax to not do what he did. He was plainly and legitimately shocked at what happened.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Squirrel Girl's joke character status isn't the point. The point is, any of Darkseid's humilations at the hands of Superman don't even approach this:
Originally posted by EnyalusAnd you apparently have forgotten this, which is only three pages later after yours where it's revealed that Warlock kills himself to complete his astral suicide cycle from Starlin's original Magus story years ago:
You must be talking about something entirely different. Thanos was killed by Warlock once. And that was after Thanos killed him here:Afterwards, he is resurrected and amped by Master Order and/or Lord Chaos, and kills Thanos. That's the only time I recall Warlock killing Thanos.
There is no amping by Master Order and Lord Chaos ever implied. They only guide Spiderman to the Soul Gem and make Warlock aware of one final task.
Originally posted by EnyalusDeath was right there, startling Thanos a moment before Drax tore his heart out. Thanos being aware a single moment before his death doesn't suggest he allowed Drax to tear his heart out. Like you said, he wanted to free Galactus. And didn't.
Death was right there. He understood what was going on. He just had wanted to set Galactus free, first.An off-panel defeat to an undefeated joke character? No. Darkseid begging for Superman to stop in Apokolips Now was far more humiliating.
How you hold that opinion with a straight face is beyond me. Thanos begged Warlock to stay back with a shriek also. Squirrel Girl was still worse than that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And you apparently have forgotten this, which is only three pages later after yours where it's revealed that Warlock kills himself to complete his astral suicide cycle from Starlin's original Magus story years ago:
Starlin's narration not only admits that Thanos killed Warlock, but Warlock himself says it as you can see.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There is no amping by Master Order and Lord Chaos ever implied. They only guide Spiderman to the Soul Gem and make Warlock aware of one final task.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Death was right there, startling Thanos a moment before Drax tore his heart out. Thanos being aware a single moment before his death doesn't suggest he allowed Drax to tear his heart out.
I never said he allowed Drax to kill him. 🙂 Although he certainly didn't actively try to stop him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos begged Warlock to stay back with a shriek also. Squirrel Girl was still worse than that.
*shrugs* No begging involved. He's giving a command "No. Stay back!" Plenty of villains have used similar language. Thanos didn't look like he was Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas kicked his ass, all swollen and begging to be let out of the match he freakin' started in the first place. No contest that Darkseid's loss there was more embarrassing than an off-panel loss that was a probable Thanosi.
Originally posted by EnyalusDying =/= dead. Warlock killed himself. Read the comic where Warlock actually dies, and you'll see that Warlock kills himself. I even posted the exact page and you're looking at recap flashbacks from the next comic?
I didn't forget, I'm just using all this evidence:Starlin's narration not only admits that Thanos killed Warlock, but Warlock himself says it as you can see.
Originally posted by EnyalusNo amp was suggested anywhere. Master Order and Lord Chaos needed Spiderman to smash the globe the Soul Gem was encased in. Warlock pulling plot device powers out of his butt is par for the course with him.
MO and LC pulled him from the Soul Gem via Spider-Man, and when he comes back he's on fire with energy. Seems like an amp to me. Especially when the previous issue Thanos beat a Warlock w/ the Soul Gem easily.I never said he allowed Drax to kill him. 🙂 Although he certainly didn't actively try to stop him.
Then we agree Drax one-shotted him.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou call that a "command" by Thanos? Really? Was the "NOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo..." that followed a nonchalant statement of disapproval? Gimme a break. But you're right Thanos didn't look all busted up and beat down. He looked like that against Squirrel Girl.*shrugs* No begging involved. He's giving a command "No. Stay back!" Plenty of villains have used similar language. Thanos didn't look like he was Mike Tyson after Buster Douglas kicked his ass, all swollen and begging to be let out of the match he freakin' started in the first place. No contest that Darkseid's loss there was more embarrassing than an off-panel loss that was a probable Thanosi.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Dying =/= dead. Warlock killed himself. Read the comic where Warlock actually dies, and you'll see that Warlock kills himself.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No amp was suggested anywhere. Master Order and Lord Chaos needed Spiderman to smash the globe the Soul Gem was encased in. Warlock pulling plot device powers out of his butt is par for the course with him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Then we agree Drax one-shotted him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You call that a "command" by Thanos? What are you smoking? Gimme a break.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But you're right Thanos didn't look all busted up and beat down. He looked like that against Squirrel Girl.
^ I refine my statements when necessary. uhuh
Originally posted by EnyalusThen why is it a one-shot kill to you when Thanos punched him, Thanos blasted him, and then Warlock's past self killed himself with the Soul Gem?
I have. 😠 Where do you think I got the first scan I showed from? Dying or dead, we agree that Thanos could/would/basically did kill Warlock with the Soul Gem with one blast.Not that dramatic of plot device powers. The fact that he was dealt with last issue easily WITH the Soul Gem aiding him and that the art makes it look like he's anything but normal Warlock there should indicate something was going on. Bottom line is that it wasn't a normal Warlock who killed Thanos.
It's Warlock's soul. And acting like Warlock hasn't pulled out WTF powers out of his tush demonstrates inexperience with the character or a predilection for rationalizing your own wishes. Look at every time he comes back from the dead (ironically, like this occasion). On one hand, he cleanses and obliterates a kismet trail in the timestream. On another hand, he goads Galactus into eyeblasting him and reappears unharmed on his head. On another hand, he ends up being immune to time displacement effects. On another hand, he ends up using quantum magicks to summon an entire race's worth of souls. On another hand, he interlaces two entire timelines. That's Warlock.
Originally posted by EnyalusI was stating Drax one-shotted him. You interjected onto that comment which wasn't directed towards you with apparently nothing to add since we both agree.
Mmhmm. I don't know what you're attempting to prove, seeing as how we both know there were extenuating circumstances to it, but okay.lol. "No. Stay back!" is an imperative. AKA, a command. I'm using it in the literal sense. Regardless, he was not whining, not did he shriek.
Not really. Aside from his eyes being closed, the Thanosi or Thanos doesn't look damaged at all.
Um. No. Thanos' wide eyes of shock and his increasingly panicked stance suggests that it is a shriek, not some formal decree. And if him asking himt o stay back isn't a shriek, his "NOOOOOOooooooo" certainly is.
Yeah, just smoking, his cheek planted on the ground, mouth gaping, and his butt raised in the air. Trying to rationalize away the humiliating pose depicted in that scene is a dubious endeavor at best.
I s'pose I shouldn't interject on comments that aren't directed at me. Oops. Bad habit?
Guess you could count the punch AND the blast as what caused Warlock to lay dying, though personally I see the punch as a counter and the blast alone as what did it. I said 'one-shot killed' instead of 'one-shot would-have-killed' 'cause they're basically the same, and I didn't know you would get so technical. But hey, you're a good debater and I should've expected it. I was sloppy with the wording. *shrug*
I see your point regarding Warlock. Still, don't think he's ever been powerful enough to one-shot kill someone of or above Thanos' level before or since.
