Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Based on? Cloud's done nothing impressive in canon.
By canon, you mean ACC. A generally featless movie ( and a rather stupid one) Of course, in the game you never use magic in cutscenes.
Why do people argue using ACC? I thought I read something in the rules that limited it to game feats?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Care to highlight them?Cloud can't hurt Bowser. Bowser was in a blackhole, and survived. This is simple face. Bowser is easily strong enoguh to kill the shit out of Cloud. 😐 IF Cloud gets hit, he loses. Since he cannot hurt Bowser, eventually, he will get hit before anything bad happens to Bowser at all. Bowser wins.
Cloud is too fast for Bowser to be able to hit him. Even if Bowser is able to he wouldn't have a chance with Cloud's magic. *stop*
Even if Bowser's supernova/blackhole/big bang/got his ass saved by a bunch of stars/TOONFORCE/ bullshit feat was allowed to be cannon, but yet for some biased reason Cloud's Mega-Flare feat is not 😕 SMG Bowser isn't immune to Cloud's spells. Stop would work on him, and Bowser would be defenseless from Cloud spamming him with whatever magic, spell, summon, etc. that Cloud feels is necessary, until Bowser is either dead, or too beat up to continue fighting.
MooCow.... ignoring me won't work because im a fluffy tomato and I love you. Also, it won't make you win. Ignoring me only shows that you have no durability feat for Bowser that proves he is immune to Cloud's magic. Bowser will lose this fight....Cloud FTW!!! 😛
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If Cloud's spells are so damn uber then why didn't he use them on Sephiroth?
You can. Just not toad or mini or things like that. I want to say that's gameplay mechanics and being able to use those on the final boss would make it....unfairly easy. Outside of that, Sephiroth has stronger magic than the FF party and could probably blow off minor spells. You resort to your strongest at this point in the game.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You do realize there is no stopping with these things right? Until it officially exists, there is no real winner. And he won't stop, even if you bring up several points he can't argue with. Then again, I see some points he argued with that have yet to really be dis proven.
Hmmmm... Ignoring my points that I have argued, and still claiminng that Bowser can beat Cloud only shows me that either you have no defense in what I have tried to debate, or the LLLC's biased opinions have deluded them into thinking that Bowser can't be beaten, and nothing anyone brings up will convince them otherwise.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The LolLove[b]LinkClub, is biased toward Bowser? haermm Righto. Maybe you're just ignoring that Cloud is totally outclassed by Bowser? Do you have any idea what would happen to the FF7 party if they were in Super Mario RPG or Paper Mario? [/B]
FF7 would slaughter Super Mario RPG. I never played Paper Mario so I dunno.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The LolLove[b]LinkClub, is biased toward Bowser? haermm Righto. Maybe you're just ignoring that Cloud is totally outclassed by Bowser? Do you have any idea what would happen to the FF7 party if they were in Super Mario RPG or Paper Mario? [/B]
Bowser, Link, whoever else in Nintendo that you claim is unbeatable, no matter what others say to prove you wrong.....
We've already ruled out that the 64/SMG Bowsers are the only ones that can be used here, RPG/Paper Mario doesn't apply. Outclassed by Bowser? No sir, not at all. The only defense you have for the SMG Bowser is the ending cut scene that makes you think Bowser can't be beaten at all, even though he was saved in the end, just like the others were. You have no defense to say that it still applies either, considering that I used your own logic with the Mega-flare feat to rule it out. If you could do it with the Mega-flare, I can do it with the Supernova/blackhole feat. Still claiming that it works is definitely biased. Also, I've played the game, nothing that Bowser does as far as attacks go, are really all that special when comparing to Cloud's arsenal of attacks. Bowser's a pushover. Make a better argument or give up already. Cloud will win this fight.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If Cloud's spells are so damn uber then why didn't he use them on Sephiroth?
Didn't miss it MooCow, I haven't checked it again until just now...... destroyed my argument???....no sir, not at all. More like ask a ridiculous question to avoid my points again.
Don't really need to argue with this question, seeing as how TheAuraAngel did it for me.... game play mechanic. Sephiroth isn't affected by Cloud's status effects solely because he is a boss, and that would make the game incredibly easy. Other magic spells still work on him. SMG Bowser doesn't have this defense... all of Cloud's magic will work on him. Looks like your not only ignoring/avoiding my posts.... Your doing it to anyone else who makes your side of the debate wrong.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
But...a limit break would fail...hardcore. So if the spells are weaker than a limit break, that would mean...Gasp!
Still doesn't mean they don't affect Bowser. Cloud doesn't have a time limit. He can spam Bowser as long as he want to, with as many spells as he wants wants to, after he casts stop on Bowser. Bowser has no defense against his magic. He has no way to stop this from happening, it's only a matter of time before he either dies, or is too weak to continue fighting. 😛
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Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You're ignoring an incredibly large difference. Aeris shows up before Cloud hits the Mega Flare and extends a hand. The Lumas save everyone well after the Supernova is over and the Black Hole has been formed. For the Lumas to save Bowser, one of the two things I posted previously would have to have happened.1. See above. Mario and Peach's presence is irrelevant.
2. See #1.
3. Spells won't help when you can't damage him anyway.
Any defense Bowser would have would probably happen naturally. And Drain sounds like it does damage to take health from the opponent and give it to the user. To do that, it would have to be able to do damage. It can't. Doesn't Cloud have a limited amount of Magic, as well?