Bowser vs Cloud

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
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Any defense Bowser would have would probably happen naturally. And Drain sounds like it does damage to take health from the opponent and give it to the user. To do that, it would have to be able to do damage. It can't. Doesn't Cloud have a limited amount of Magic, as well?

So that's the post you destroyed his argument with? 😆

First off, videos posted on the thread indicate that Cloud hit the Mega Flare before Aeris appeared and did magic( even though she is dead). Videos> your statement.

1. Very relevant, unless you're saying they could have survived it too.
2. I did.
3. Give us a feat that says Bowser can take his magic. A feat from Galaxy is all I want from you to prove it.

Cloud in canon doesn't do magic in cut scenes in the game and in AC he has no materia if I remember right. Cloud does have a limit of magic. He also has items that allow him to replenish his mp so that post is actually irrelevant.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So that's the post you destroyed his argument with? 😆

First off, videos posted on the thread indicate that Cloud hit the Mega Flare before Aeris appeared and did magic( even though she is dead). Videos> your statement.

1. Very relevant, unless you're saying they could have survived it too.
2. I did.
3. Give us a feat that says Bowser can take his magic. A feat from Galaxy is all I want from you to prove it.

Cloud in canon doesn't do magic in cut scenes in the game and in AC he has no materia if I remember right. Cloud does have a limit of magic. He also has items that allow him to replenish his mp so that post is actually irrelevant.

Actually it's been beaten several times. 😬

Someone a last page just told me that she appeared while Cloud was in the Mega Flare, which by the way, is pretty feat less as far as canon damage goes. So, interesting sentence from you is rather interesting.

1. Their presence is completely irrelevant to Bowser's feat and the point. They were not in the Black Hole.

2. Not well enough.

3. Magic still does physical damage. A fireball will still give a burn.

Now THAT part is incredibly interesting. If Cloud in canon doesn't do magic, why even try to use the spells as an argument? Plus his magic would be entirely feat less.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually it's been beaten several times. 😬

Someone a last page just told me that she appeared while Cloud was in the Mega Flare, which by the way, is pretty feat less as far as canon damage goes. So, interesting sentence from you is rather interesting.

1. Their presence is completely irrelevant to Bowser's feat and the point. They were not in the Black Hole.

2. Not well enough.

3. Magic still does physical damage. A fireball will still give a burn.

Now THAT part is incredibly interesting. If Cloud in canon doesn't do magic, why even try to use the spells as an argument? Plus his magic would be entirely feat less.

Not very well in my opinion. But then again, hey. I don't care about Bowser or Cloud that much.

Well, he was in it. And she may or may not have helped him. Again, refer to the part where I say I don't really care.

1. Relevance is still there in a sense in regard to his statement of the stars saving everyone, including them. As it suggests that since they were saved, so was he.

2. You need to stop thinking that because people disagree, you can assume what they've done or what they think. Its a quasi attempt to be smart and it only back fires when you're wrong. I read that post and you have no proof that I didn't read it. I can read well enough.

3. Not all magic from FF does damage.

lol knew you'd find that interesting. Means on a whole, you base things on ACC and not the game. No, you don't cast magic during cutscenes. If they could, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't bring Aeris back to life. But they do talk about doing magic in cutscenes and so it is canon. Cloud can use magic, with his materia. Which he may or may not have in this fight. Again, don't really care.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Actually it's been beaten several times. 😬

Someone a last page just told me that she appeared while Cloud was in the Mega Flare, which by the way, is pretty feat less as far as canon damage goes. So, interesting sentence from you is rather interesting.

1. Their presence is completely irrelevant to Bowser's feat and the point. They were not in the Black Hole.

2. Not well enough.

3. Magic still does physical damage. A fireball will still give a burn.

Now THAT part is incredibly interesting. If Cloud in canon doesn't do magic, why even try to use the spells as an argument? Plus his magic would be entirely feat less.

Cloud was in the Mega-flare when Aeris supposedly saved him with magic??? Bowser was in the black hole when the stars saved everyone, including Bowser, at the end of Galaxy??? Doesn't seem any different to me.

If ScreamPaste can rule out his Mega-flare feat because Aeris showing up and extending her hand to Cloud, even though he was already in there. Then I don't see why we can't rule out that the blackhole feat because of the stars saving everyone at the end, even though Bowser was in the black hole.

Using his own logic against him shouldn't have to be argued, if he can do it, we can too. Still sticking to the subject, trying to convince us it's a legitimate feat is pretty bias.

Yes, magic does do physical damage, depending on the types of spells used. Spells like drain, demi, poison, etc. sap your enemies health from them, it has nothing to do with physical damage.

Not really all that interesting, if you watched the movie you would know the answer. Cloud doesn't use magic in AC because he doesn't use his materia, he keeps it stored in the church. It gets stolen by the bad guys in the movie(can't remember their names), and that is why they can use magic, and even summon Bahamut-Sin. Doesn't mean that Cloud couldn't of used his magic in AC, it's just that he couldn't because he didn't have it equpped, and his enemies stole it.

I'm arguing with magic because Bowser has no defense to stop it from happening, and with spells like stop, demi, drain, etc. it will only be a matter of time before Bowser losses. 😄

He didn't have any materia on him in the movie, so no magic in AC/C. Cloud would in this fight as he does in the games.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He didn't have any materia on him in the movie, so no magic in AC/C. Cloud would in this fight as he does in the games.

Well said BloodRain.... Well said indeed 😄 Cloud FTW

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well, he was in it. And she may or may not have helped him. Again, refer to the part where I say I don't really care.

1. Relevance is still there in a sense in regard to his statement of the stars saving everyone, including them. As it suggests that since they were saved, so was he.

2. You need to stop thinking that because people disagree, you can assume what they've done or what they think. Its a quasi attempt to be smart and it only back fires when you're wrong. I read that post and you have no proof that I didn't read it. I can read well enough.

3. Not all magic from FF does damage.

lol knew you'd find that interesting. Means on a whole, you base things on ACC and not the game. No, you don't cast magic during cutscenes. If they could, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't bring Aeris back to life. But they do talk about doing magic in cutscenes and so it is canon. Cloud can use magic, with his materia. Which he may or may not have in this fight. Again, don't really care.

This is a rather interesting point, because it is what I am trying to say about Bowser in the Supernova and Black Hole. Except the main difference here is still that the Lumas did not help anyone until well after Bowser was hit by these things. The other guy tried to use Lumas to say Bowser didn't take them. He's wrong.

1. Its an irrelevant point all together because it doesn't affect Bowser's durability.

3. That's cool. It can not do damage all it wants, but it isn't going to help anyone beat Bowser.

Said magic would still be feat less. And no, I'm not basing anything wholly on ACC. So far the only durability feat from you guys for Cloud is this Mega Flare which happens to be from AC.

Originally posted by linkownsyousobs
Cloud was in the Mega-flare when Aeris supposedly saved him with magic??? Bowser was in the black hole when the stars saved everyone, including Bowser, at the end of Galaxy??? Doesn't seem any different to me.

If ScreamPaste can rule out his Mega-flare feat because Aeris showing up and extending her hand to Cloud, even though he was already in there. Then I don't see why we can't rule out that the blackhole feat because of the stars saving everyone at the end, even though Bowser was in the black hole.

Using his own logic against him shouldn't have to be argued, if he can do it, we can too. Still sticking to the subject, trying to convince us it's a legitimate feat is pretty bias.

Yes, magic does do physical damage, depending on the types of spells used. Spells like drain, demi, poison, etc. sap your enemies health from them, it has nothing to do with physical damage.

I'm arguing with magic because Bowser has no defense to stop it from happening, and with spells like stop, demi, drain, etc. it will only be a matter of time before Bowser losses. 😄

Well it is. Because you are ignoring the supernova which created said Black Hole. You know that does damage too, right?

Differences are the key. As if ScreamPaste is correct, Cloud's durability is not his own. Now for the different part. The Lumas did not grant Bowser any durability.

You can stop accusing me of being bias now. I haven't been pushing the Black Hole nearly as hard as you think I have. Even without it, Bowser took the supernova and as such is more durable than Cloud can ever hope to damage.

Feat less spells are feat less and cannot harm Bowser based on never harming anything as durable.

People have to stop not wanting to accept the mega-flare feat. He went through through then she helped. Nowhere is it even said that what she did helped him to survive it. (being already inside) Also, it was highly destructive as smaller ones did large explosive damage.

Drain still looks like a good method.

People have to stop not wanting to accept the mega-flare feat.

😐 Prove it's a feat? Aeris saved his ass. We clearly see that. Especially since he's shot, and *that* injures him. Bowser was *inside* a blackhole, survived. Cloud legit cannot harm him.

I really don't care if he went through it or not, it doesn't affect my point that Cloud can't hurt Bowser at all.

Drain doesn't have any feats.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
😐 Prove it's a feat? Aeris saved his ass. We clearly see that. Especially since he's shot, and *that* injures him. Bowser was *inside* a blackhole, survived. Cloud legit cannot harm him.

From the power and destructive force of it anyone else would be in serious pain/burning/whaterer. Cloud shows no signs of being in any real trouble then Aeris helps, and straight after that he's out so why would it be anything to protect him for such a short while? Fury brand makes more sense.

Cloud was actually struggling when Aeris showed up, looks about ready to get pwned and fall back down.

Nowhere near struggling, he made two quiet grunts. Can't call that almost defeated :/

Cloud's magic does have feats though. They are still able to affect him and that says a lot, considering he fell into the Lifestream, which is where all the mako comes from. But you know that doesn't compare to all the Bowser feats mentioned in relation to magic. Like......that one. And that other one. And that other one. I don't know, you guys have mentioned so many feats of Bowser being immune to Cloud's magic that I lost count.

No feats mentioned from your side. You are just saying things without feats to back them up. I'm done here. /thread. ( For me at least)

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
😐 Prove it's a feat? Aeris saved his ass. We clearly see that. Especially since he's shot, and *that* injures him. Bowser was *inside* a blackhole, survived. Cloud legit cannot harm him.

In that case, Aerith > Zelda universe as she can still interact with the world in her death.

Seal Evil > Ganon

In that case, Aerith > Zelda universe as she can still interact with the world in her death.

AND ZELDA INVADES ANOTHER THREAD. I BELIEVE THIS IMPERIALISTIC EXPANSION TO BE THE WORK OF GANON. HE MUST BE STOPPED.

...Anyway, I still don't think Cloud's magic will do much to Bowser.

Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. LoZ characters should not even be thought of in this thread, and mentioning them is cause for derailment.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Seriously, this is getting ridiculous. LoZ characters should not even be thought of in this thread, and mentioning them is cause for derailment.

Couldn't help it. After seeing so many threads with a Zelda character, it's almost natural to mention them now.

This is where I remind you we don't make them. 😛