Originally posted by BloodRain
On another note. Cure, Protect, Shell, Reflect, Haste, Slow, Stop, Blind, Confuse, Sleep, Silence, Break and Berserk would all be effective.
I'm not sure of that. Half of those are practically game mechanics. Plus, most powerful enemies are immune to them, AND Ganon has shown himself resistant to magic. Pretty much Light magic seems to be the only thing truly effective against him.
Originally posted by TacDavey
I'm not sure of that. Half of those are practically game mechanics. Plus, most powerful enemies are immune to them, AND Ganon has shown himself resistant to magic. Pretty much Light magic seems to be the only thing truly effective against him.
Blind and confuse for starters. Shell and Protect up defense but outside of game mechanics there is no indication of exactly how they work.
Even so, it seems anyone who is moderately powerful or skilled in magic adopts an immunity to these spells. Ganon doesn't have a list of immunities because he isn't in the FF game.
Ganon's Triforce of Power makes him practically unfazed by even the most powerful of magic. The LoZ wiki describes it as giving him almost "god like" power. Even Midna's ancient dark magic wasn't enough.
Also, the FF8 party can't even use those spells without drawing them from somewhere first. It's like the FF7's materia system. We can't use them because we can't speculate as to what spells the FF8 party would even have, or who they would be junction to, since it is completely up to the player to decide.
Zant vs. Link, Midna, and Lanayru (Light Spirit)
0:36- TK knocks Link down, throws Lanayru into wall.
0:48- TK forces Lanayru underwater, shrouds area in Twilight (This turns Link to wolf form.)
1:04- TKs Midna, holding her still.
1:40- Outright states that what he's doing is not Twili magic, claims it comes from his god, who we know to be Ganondorf. Also throws Midna into the ground.
1:51- TK catches Wolf Link mid-leap, before magic curse ball (TM) explodes, trapping Link in wolf form permanently.
3:10- (Best part) TKs Midna in place, while forcing Lanayru up, and forces Lanayru to attack Midna
Thar ya go.
1:15- Agahnim (Ganondorf) drags Link into the Dark World. This is just in case either Twilight (shown above) or the Gap Between Dimensions somehow fail. That's 3 different BFR moves.
Starts at 2:13, take from it what you will. At 2:50, Zelda claims that she can't breathe because Ganon's thinning the air. At 3:24, Zelda gets sealed.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Blind and confuse for starters. Shell and Protect up defense but outside of game mechanics there is no indication of exactly how they work.Even so, it seems anyone who is moderately powerful or skilled in magic adopts an immunity to these spells. Ganon doesn't have a list of immunities because he isn't in the FF game.
Ganon's Triforce of Power makes him practically unfazed by even the most powerful of magic. The LoZ wiki describes it as giving him almost "god like" power. Even Midna's ancient dark magic wasn't enough.
Also, the FF8 party can't even use those spells without drawing them from somewhere first. It's like the FF7's materia system. We can't use them because we can't speculate as to what spells the FF8 party would even have, or who they would be junction to, since it is completely up to the player to decide.
The same way that armour makes someone tougher but with a magical veil or something along those lines.
Ganon is powerful and all, but the very reason he's not from the FF world is why he cant be in the FF boss immunity section unless specified. Zelda's magic did at the end of OoT, as did the sages group magic so we know he's not immune probably just resistant.
Depends if this thread allows access to anything like many other FF threads do or not.
Cheers Scenario, I take it the 'best part' was multiple TK.
There are many problems with that theory.
1. Lanayru's light shines much brighter than it normally does.
2. Zant throws out his arm, signaling the use of TK on the Light Spirit's orb of light. He also used his arm when he placed it back within the lake after defeating Lanayru.
3. Twilight has not been shown to repress the Light spirits. In fact, they are > Twilight.
4. Zant flat out says "I will return you to the light world you covet."
5. Nothing says Midna can't be in the presence of the light spirit. Besides, she is, she only hides in Link's shadow.
Its no brighter then any other time a Light spirit appears besides the part I mentioned. A Light spirit brought back to power overcomes Twilight, weakens ones dont. (When they dont have the full power, in this instance being subdued.) She's in his shadow and in her shadow form not in her 'solid' form and right next to it like in that clip, which shows what happen if she faces them.
To note if he was manipulating her and her powers she would not of been able to save Link and Midna like she did.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Its no brighter then any other time a Light spirit appears besides the part I mentioned.
False. Did you even look at it when it got really close to Midna? It gets progressively brighter.
Originally posted by BloodRain
A Light spirit brought back to power overcomes Twilight, weakens ones dont. (When they dont have the full power, in this instance being subdued.)
Exactly, so your original point was wrong. Zant did not simply remove the Twilight so that Lanayru would rise, thus transforming Midna.
Originally posted by BloodRain
She's in his shadow and in her shadow form not in her 'solid' form and right next to it like in that clip, which shows what happen if she faces them.
Shadow happens automatically in the light world, it has nothing to do with being near a light spirit. I believe it's even stated in game. Beings of the Twilight can be no more than Shadow in the world of the Light.
Originally posted by BloodRain
To note if he was manipulating her and her powers she would not of been able to save Link and Midna like she did.
Based on what? He TK'd the orb and used one of it's powers. So that means Lanayru can't activate anything else?
We may even chock that up to PIS, because they have to escape Zant somehow.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No time power is going to work on Ganon, BloodRain, he ignored a time freeze that stopped all of Hyrule while his power was still sealed. 😬Also, Zant does have multiple TK, he beat Link, Midna, and the Light spirit simultaneously.
Blasting them back inst TKing them all.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
False. Did you even look at it when it got really close to Midna? It gets progressively brighter.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Exactly, so your original point was wrong. Zant did not simply remove the Twilight so that Lanayru would rise, thus transforming Midna.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Shadow happens automatically in the light world, it has nothing to do with being near a light spirit. I believe it's even stated in game. Beings of the Twilight can be no more than Shadow in the world of the Light.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Based on what? He TK'd the orb and used one of it's powers. So that means Lanayru can't activate anything else?We may even chock that up to PIS, because they have to escape Zant somehow.
Manipulating to the fine point of accessing moves/powers puts him in control of what she can or can't do. Id put PIS away and say that its evidence to him not TKing or controlling her.