FF8 Party v.s. Ganondorf

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That the temple of time part?
All of Hyrule is frozen in time the first time you return to it. Infact, Ganon confirms this later in the game. but yeah. Ganon was down there when the time stop was innitiated, and now he is not. His power is still sealed away, but he's clearly got his get out of jail free card.

Welp: time foar moar MH3 😎

Too lazy to go find it, ill take your word for it till its brought up again

Originally posted by BloodRain
Bright from her perspective. We see before and after the close up and the light hasnt changed at all.

True, because her perspective is all we see the attack from. We're not going to see it before and after it happens. This does not disprove me at all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
That aids my point. Zant beat the Spirit so he was able to bring down Twilight. As soon as he got rid of it the Spirit could get back up.

That isn't what he did. He TK'd the light spirit as evidenced by a movement of the arm. Besides, Lanayru already had her/his ass beaten, it wasn't trying again.

It's highly possible Lanayru was knocked unconscious, but awoke to Midna screaming.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah, I know that but she doesnt have to hide in his shadow all the time. No reason she would hide away every time one shows up. This is the only instance that she has been fully present before one, and her being a Twili and in a weakened form makes it seen right that she cant face a Light spirit.

She said she wanted to keep a low profile around people. She doesn't have to stay hidden around a light spirit. And she didn't, either.

And what is that last part supposed to be?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Manipulating to the fine point of accessing moves/powers puts him in control of what she can or can't do. Id put PIS away and say that its evidence to him not TKing or controlling her.

I believe the Light Spirits know of Midna's existence. Lanayru would not stay present and move closer to Midna and kill her by choice.

And no, manipulating one power does not mean you can control all of them.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
True, because her perspective is all we see the attack from. We're not going to see it before and after it happens. This does not disprove me at all.

The light on the close up looks brighter and brighter, the instant its a close up on the spirit (where the light comes from) there's no extra light or being emitted.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That isn't what he did. He TK'd the light spirit as evidenced by a movement of the arm. Besides, Lanayru already had her/his ass beaten, it wasn't trying again.

It's highly possible Lanayru was knocked unconscious, but awoke to Midna screaming.


It wasnt trying again and it didnt try again, it instead saved the two.

You mean waking up after Midna was hurt then somehow negating Zants powers?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
She said she wanted to keep a low profile around people. She doesn't have to stay hidden around a light spirit. And she didn't, either.

And what is that last part supposed to be?


She did stay hidden all those times until that one scene where it shows her being hurt by the spirit.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I believe the Light Spirits know of Midna's existence. Lanayru would not stay present and move closer to Midna and kill her by choice.

And no, manipulating one power does not mean you can control all of them.


Not by intent to kill her as shown it went to save them. Not all of them but the powers, if he can control the spirits powers the spirit cant uses its powers to teleport them away.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The light on the close up looks brighter and brighter, the instant its a close up on the spirit (where the light comes from) there's no extra light or being emitted.

I don't see why this means it didn't go back to normal after the attack. Regardless of whether or not Zant forced the attack, he was TKing 2 different targets. He also proved he could TK while casting another spell when he caught Link and used the magic curse ball.


It wasnt trying again and it didnt try again, it instead saved the two.

I notice Lanayru wasn't moving very much during all of this. Not even that little up and down motion the spirits tend to do while floating.


You mean waking up after Midna was hurt then somehow negating Zants powers?

You don't necessarily have to be able to move to initiate a teleport or use powers.


She did stay hidden all those times until that one scene where it shows her being hurt by the spirit.

Midna is always in her shadow form in the light world. The fact that this one time she wasn't indicates foul play.

Anyway, I think I finally got a bead on how long it takes Ganondorf to create a storm.

YouTube video

All the way from the beginning of this video until about 0:54, the sky is clear except for the occasional cloud. That's when it starts to get darker. At 2:23, after Zelda's teleport interlude, there are a lot more clouds, and darker skies. Between 2:23 and 2:32, the number of clouds has increased exponentially and you can actually see them forming from nowhere. There is lightning striking even this early. At this point, gameplay starts and nothing changes for a while. At 4:22, the moment Ganondorf is defeated, we can see it worsening, despite not changing at all during gameplay.

YouTube video

Here, from the beginning, it's still getting worse. There are very small shafts of light, and not many of them. More lightning at 0:28. At 0:36 it's totally complete, no light except for the lightning.

I estimate roughly 2-3 minutes for the storm to form. But that isn't cast time. Between 1:10 and 1:16 (the moment Zelda teleported), we can see the storm beginning and clouds forming, so it must have been before this point. However, the only time that would have would be either while the castle exploded, or else when he created those phantom horsemen. It looks pretty fast. I don't have a great estimate, but I put it around a couple seconds.

Not by intent to kill her as shown it went to save them. Not all of them but the powers, if he can control the spirits powers the spirit cant uses its powers to teleport them away.

Was no time between Midnas close up and the spirits and no difference in light. Its movements were the the same before and after. Actually on that move thing, why would Zant TK it and make it approach in that serpentine way?

Yes but how could it use its powers if Zant is supposedly in control of it? Unless her form cant take exposure to the Light spirits.

What the storm thing for?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Was no time between Midnas close up and the spirits and no difference in light. Its movements were the the same before and after. Actually on that move thing, why would Zant TK it and make it approach in that serpentine way?

What do you mean by "no time"? The attack ended, the light ended. Lanayru could have moved forward, enveloped Midna, then moved back. Point it, Zant did it. I didn't see Lanayru moving much at all, personally. There was a little movement to the side, but nowhere near what Lanayru was doing before Zant attacked.


Yes but how could it use its powers if Zant is supposedly in control of it? Unless her form cant take exposure to the Light spirits.

Controlling movement, mre likely. I don't think Midna can really take the light world in general. The fact that she's apparent unable to take shadow form suggests he was messing both up them up. He probably let them go, or else Lanayru broke free. I don't care, end result was two beings moving against their will.


What the storm thing for?

Been looking for the cast time since forever. Might allow for more easily using the Darkness Technique.

What do you mean by "no time"? The attack ended, the light ended. Lanayru could have moved forward, enveloped Midna, then moved back. Point it, Zant did it. I didn't see Lanayru moving much at all, personally. There was a little movement to the side, but nowhere near what Lanayru was doing before Zant attacked.

Something that bright would of still been visible when it panned to the spirit. Check just before Lanayru is hit by the blast, for a short while it isnt moving so its not something it has to constantly do.

Controlling movement, mre likely. I don't think Midna can really take the light world in general. The fact that she's apparent unable to take shadow form suggests he was messing both up them up. He probably let them go, or else Lanayru broke free. I don't care, end result was two beings moving against their will.

If he TKd it then it wouldn't of been moving in the way it was and would be pulled like how Midna was.

Ah, congrats on the find then.

Originally posted by Burning thought
It only looked like singular TK on Midna.

You haven't forgotten about me, right?

No, just busy. KMC has to wait its turn in my list of things over the next few months.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, just busy. KMC has to wait its turn in my list of things over the next few months.

Just making sure. 😄

Originally posted by BloodRain
Something that bright would of still been visible when it panned to the spirit. Check just before Lanayru is hit by the blast, for a short while it isnt moving so its not something it has to constantly do.

I don't see why it would. The attack ended, so the light faded.


If he TKd it then it wouldn't of been moving in the way it was and would be pulled like how Midna was.

Midna was struggling. I don't see how Lanayru couldn't have been doing the same.

But it didnt fade, the light was not different then before.

Struggling does not mean it would approach in that snake-like way. It'd move how the same as how Zant moves Midna about.

Actually, if you'll notice how Lanayru first appears to attack Zant, the movement is far more snakelike than when Lanayru appears under Zant's control.

''to attack Zant'' goes to what I said earlier about it not wanting to attack Midna. Attacking Zant, aggressive movement. Going up to Midna, non-aggressive movements but still more then what it would be if under TK control.

Maybe Zant only TK'd the orb of light and Lanayru just wouldn't let go?

Either way, Lanayru didn't want to attack Midna. It didn't come up at that particular moment by chance, or of it's own accord at all.

TKing the orb still does doesn't nt explain the movements. Thats what I said, didnt want to and didnt attack.

Hm, if BRF isn't allowed then I guess it doesn't matter if he can TK more then one at a time or not. For now.

Simply being in a Light Spirit's presence does not do that to Midna. She had been in one's presence before.

Not in that form she hasn't. Its always been in her shadow form and in Links shadow.

There's no difference. She shows up as a Shadow automatically in the Light World, when she appeared in that form afterward it was because Zant had suppressed the Light and brought over Twilight.

Are you even arguing the double TK at this point? If you're not, I'll just drop this conversation.