Originally posted by BattlehammerHe raped TM when he was pissed.
Not really, this happen once against kingpin and it was not the same kingpin he was 15 years ago. He foughten quite dumb when pissed and DD show just how effective attack him all pissed off got Spiderman decked on the floor. Spiderman fighting ticked is not a good idea vs MA's they easily take advantage of his anger. When he mad he more effective against brick like guys becuases he hitting hard, but wilder.
Originally posted by BattlehammerIt's more like either spiey being ticked or just not playing around.
Not really, this happen once against kingpin and it was not the same kingpin he was 15 years ago. He foughten quite dumb when pissed and DD show just how effective attack him all pissed off got Spiderman decked on the floor. Spiderman fighting ticked is not a good idea vs MA's they easily take advantage of his anger. When he mad he more effective against brick like guys becuases he hitting hard, but wilder.really like when?
please lets here some examples
You're saying spidey is never inhibited by his own personality and simply inferior to peak human MA's?
some examples:
spidey simply concentrates a bit and tools deadpool, who btw, is a bit past peak human speed of most ma's
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/2200/feat34fight3ex0.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1748/feat34fight4as0.jpg
DD states that under normal conditions spidey can outfight him:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg
Originally posted by namorsubby
It's more like either spiey being ticked or just not playing around.You're saying spidey is never inhibited by his own personality and simply inferior to peak human MA's?
some examples:
spidey simply concentrates a bit and tools deadpool, who btw, is a bit past peak human speed of most ma's
http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/2200/feat34fight3ex0.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/1748/feat34fight4as0.jpgDD states that under normal conditions spidey can outfight him:
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/781/feat14fight2bp4.jpg
No I never said that I said him being pissed off does not make him more effective vs MA's. He not inferior he simply not so physically beyond in attributes like speed, which allows them to keep pace and rely on there superior tactical minds and skills to overcome spiderman strengths or negate them in order to make a fight out of it.
You might wish to uses context next time, you notice somehting wierd about DP, like the fact he not using any of his standard gear? He holding back and purposely not using his gear. This realy does not help to prove your point, all that proves is DP who used none of his standard gear or many weapons asside from, a weapon he never displayed using before or after this event got beat up on a little by spiderman.
He stated that he could beat him? yes? your point? I mean spiderman should be able to beat DD. The fact DD can make such a fight out of it everytime is which proves spiderman trouble with MA's. Also the scan contrdicts several fights.
whats your arguement anyways I never really payed attention, also I apoligies if I soudn rude.
Originally posted by namorsubby
these top teir's ma abilities are what make up for the gap in speed, which is actually not that small if you account for what spidey does on a regular basis. sure, every peak human/slightly enhanced grade a or b martial artists will have a few instances of extreme speed feats, along a couple more reoccuring instances of......let's say, dodging or deflecting pointblank gunfire......but for spidey pointblank gunfire is a walk in the park, and lasers, missles, and other things are not so uncommon. he has showings against MA guys that are pretty bad, but many times it's been shown that when properly motivated(ie extremely ticked), he can easily wipe the floor with them. Spidey's a CIS handicapped character 90% of the time....
And if you were placing Mister X within the group he does not fit at all.
Originally posted by MshinuThat is not gonna happen. Spider-man was able to predict IronFist's attacks and counter (thanks to his fighting skills, not ss) going through the entire fight without getting hit by IF once. Also Cap did train him, and cant say he did well. Instincts is Parker's greatest weapon that might not work for Cap and others but definitely works for Pete.
Or so Peter thought until he impales himself on X`s sword. "Oh maybe I should have taken those lessons Cap offered meee.... *"
Originally posted by SamZED
That is not gonna happen. Spider-man was able to predict IronFist's attacks and counter (thanks to his fighting skills, not ss) going through the entire fight without getting hit by IF once. Also Cap did train him, and cant say he did well. Instincts is Parker's greatest weapon that might not work for Cap and others but definitely works for Pete.
Yep, it will work just as well as that time Logan stabbed him during training. Do give the old holding back/did not expect/Spidey thought they were friends excuse again.
Originally posted by MshinuHow is that an excuse?
Yep, it will work just as well as that time Logan stabbed him during training. Do give the old holding back/did not expect/Spidey thought they were friends excuse again.
Ofc he was holding back, it was just training, why would he expect Wolverine to stab him in the chest?
Originally posted by MshinuSpiderman can be hit.
If he have to expect something to defend himself he is dead meat. What happened to the almighty spidersense?
Spiderman gets hit easier when he isn't serious.
Wolverine has superhuman speed.
Spiderman didn't expect to get stabbed in the chest.
There, I broke it down for you, need me to explain anything else.
Originally posted by MshinuApperantly the same thing that happened to Cap's super awesome MA skills when got his ass kicked by Scorpion who is basically a less fast, less strong and less experienced version of Spider-man but isnt bound by CIS. That was a training session. Not an excuse, a fact. And if Cap wants to really help Spider-man out it's not the training Parker need. How about Cap just lends him 1% of his jobber aura, Spider-man would wtfstomp X.
Yep, it will work just as well as that time Logan stabbed him during training. Do give the old holding back/did not expect/Spidey thought they were friends excuse again.
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman can be hit.Spiderman gets hit easier when he isn't serious.
Wolverine has superhuman speed.
Spiderman didn't expect to get stabbed in the chest.
There, I broke it down for you, need me to explain anything else.
Interesting that the spidersense does not work when he is not expecting things then. The mark of an amateur.
mister x wins as i said he will read spider-mans moves and he will outomatically avoid it as he was able to do with namora who also gotsuper human speed and strength and x was making fun of here because you got his powers all wrong its not that x first see his enemy moves in his mind then hereacts but its his body outomatically reacts to his enemy moves which means the faster the enemy the faster x will react like he did with super human being s and as he stated himself in theone shot no human and no super human never was able to beathim because no matter how fast his enemy his body reacts to ittherefor he can be as fast or faster then hisenemy x wins
Originally posted by SamZED
He can stil be beaten by faster opponent.
it never happened so its only your speculation while i goton pannel proof that he is as fast as 2 people at the same time, fast enough totake out black widow while she is using machine gun and another oponnent at the same time which is faster then spider-man IMO and was making namora who had super human speed on par with namor look silly and of course was faster then wolverine all that meanshis body outomatically reacts to the moves of his oponnent and he can be as fast and faster then his oponnent due to that ability it was proven by all his fights
Originally posted by bwahaha_guyI read most of his appearance, I know that he's very fast, but not Spider-man fast. Saying that he doesn't have a speed limitation that would be speculation. His powers is what helps him to outreact guys like Wolverine, it dosnt mean he's faster, its precog.
it never happened so its only your speculation while i goton pannel proof that he is as fast as 2 people at the same time, fast enough totake out black widow while she is using machine gun and another oponnent at the same time which is faster then spider-man IMO and was making namora who had super human speed on par with namor look silly and of course was faster then wolverine all that meanshis body outomatically reacts to the moves of his oponnent and he can be as fast and faster then his oponnent due to that ability it was proven by all his fights
