Mister X vs Spider-Man

Started by bwahaha_guy14 pages
Originally posted by SamZED
I read most of his appearance, I know that he's very fast, but not Spider-man fast. Saying that he doesn't have a speed limitation that would be speculation. His powers is what helps him to outreact guys like Wolverine, it dosnt mean he's faster, its precog.

then what is his speed? he was faster then wolverine, faster then a squad with machine guns, faster then black widow with amachine gun and another fighter, faster then namora, no one was able to hit him and namora is faster then spider-man so what does that mean? he can be faster then his oponnent because of his powers which allow his body to react outomatically to there movement and you cant prove his speed limitetions because they werent show me on the other hand i got his fights as a proof that he can be faster then any oponnent he faced starting from black widow and another person which is fighting 2 people at the same time who are peak human fast, going to wolverine who is super humanly fast, then nuke and headhunter at the same time and then namora who got speed on par with namor who spider-man and daredevil both couldnt keep up with

Originally posted by bwahaha_guy
then what is his speed? he was faster then wolverine, faster then a squad with machine guns, faster then black widow with amachine gun and another fighter, faster then namora, no one was able to hit him and namora is faster then spider-man so what does that mean? he can be faster then his oponnent because of his powers which allow his body to react outomatically to there movement and you cant prove his speed limitetions because they werent show me on the other hand i got his fights as a proof that he can be faster then any oponnent he faced starting from black widow and another person which is fighting 2 people at the same time who are peak human fast, going to wolverine who is super humanly fast, then nuke and headhunter at the same time and then namora who got speed on par with namor who spider-man and daredevil both couldnt keep up with
So youre saying if he fights the Flash, he'll have that kind of speed? I can prove his speed limitations going by his fights with Wolverine who in berserker's rage was always able to easilly tag him. With IF too. His powers do not make him faster, they simply make his body react automatically but still with his natural speed. Which is no more than Daredevil's. That kind of speed + precog is the reason he was able to dodge his opponents, not because he's faster than any of them. Also Namora isnt faster than Spider-man, she can travel at greater speed but he's quicker than her. Much quicker actually. And quicker than Namor too. When they fought the first time Namor was like "wtf?!" at Spider-man's speed.

Originally posted by SamZED
So youre saying if he fights the Flash, he'll have that kind of speed? I can prove his speed limitations going by his fights with Wolverine who in berserker's rage was always able to easilly tag him. With IF too. His powers do not make him faster, they simply make his body react automatically but still with his natural speed. Which is no more than Daredevil's. That kind of speed + precog is the reason he was able to dodge his opponents, not because he's faster than any of them. Also Namora isnt faster than Spider-man, she can travel at greater speed but he's quicker than her. Much quicker actually. And quicker than Namor too. When they fought the first time Namor was like "wtf?!" at Spider-man's speed.

first of all as i stated x can be faster then his oponnent due to his powers which lock on his oponnents brain waves and moves now with berserk wolverine he couldnt lock into his mind which means his powers didnt work so without his powers he couldnt be that fast but as said in one shot he over came that so we will see in the future but for now the fight with berserk wolverine proves nothing since his powers didnt work

the fight with iron fist is a total PIS because the retarded writer just ignor mister x powers and wanted to wank on iron fist it doesnt matter what style he is using because x is locking into his mind and his moves he reads him and even without his mind reading he is still agreat fighter again that fight was a total PIS as everybody know

as i said before you cant prove what are his limitations when he is writer correctly and when he use his powers and they work so unless we see him fight someone with his powers and that person will be too fastfor him for now he is faster then his oponnent due to his powers

namor is faster then spider-man, peter is just more agile but namor got the speed over him and there was a thread about it and namor won that debate he is faster then spider-man and it really doesnt matter because for mister x both spider-man andnamor will be the same he will lock into there brain waves read there movement and strategy and own them countering anything they can throw at him , if he did that to wolverine with that easy without being touched he will do it to spider-man who is as fast as wolverine in fighting speed

Originally posted by bwahaha_guy
first of all as i stated x can be faster then his oponnent due to his powers which lock on his oponnents brain waves and moves now with berserk wolverine he couldnt lock into his mind which means his powers didnt work so without his powers he couldnt be that fast but as said in one shot he over came that so we will see in the future but for now the fight with berserk wolverine proves nothing since his powers didnt work

the fight with iron fist is a total PIS because the retarded writer just ignor mister x powers and wanted to wank on iron fist it doesnt matter what style he is using because x is locking into his mind and his moves he reads him and even without his mind reading he is still agreat fighter again that fight was a total PIS as everybody know

as i said before you cant prove what are his limitations when he is writer correctly and when he use his powers and they work so unless we see him fight someone with his powers and that person will be too fastfor him for now he is faster then his oponnent due to his powers

namor is faster then spider-man, peter is just more agile but namor got the speed over him and there was a thread about it and namor won that debate he is faster then spider-man and it really doesnt matter because for mister x both spider-man andnamor will be the same he will lock into there brain waves read there movement and strategy and own them countering anything they can throw at him , if he did that to wolverine with that easy without being touched he will do it to spider-man who is as fast as wolverine in fighting speed

What makes you think that his powers make him faster? All they do is lock onto someone's brainwaves and direct X's body, but he's stil going with his natural speed. Nothing suggests his powers amp his speed.

Agreed on bad writing in that story, but the thing is, the only thing that was written bad in that story was the way X's powers work, IF wasn't supposed to get passed it by drunken style but X's fighting skills and speed was written as it alwasy was, he as easilly blocked IF's attack as he used to blovk Logan's but once his powers weren't working (which was PIS) he failed to dodge the attacks (which wasn't PIS seeing how there was nothing wrong with his speed at the beginning of the book) That says something about his natural speed.

How can I prove anyone's limitations then? If that's the case one could argue that Wolverine moves faster than light because he's dodged Cyclop's shots before. X has a speed limit as was shown in many books, if you're saying that he doesn't it is you who will have to try and prove it.

You're mistaking travelling speed for combat speed. Namor is faster than Spider-man when it comes to getting from point A to point B. But in a fight Spider-man is faster than him, I can show you scans of Namor attacking Spider-man and failing to land a hit on him while Spider-man though holding back is tossing Namor around.

Spider-Man

Originally posted by SamZED
What makes you think that his powers make him faster? All they do is lock onto someone's brainwaves and direct X's body, but he's stil going with his natural speed. Nothing suggests his powers amp his speed.

Agreed on bad writing in that story, but the thing is, the only thing that was written bad in that story was the way X's powers work, IF wasn't supposed to get passed it by drunken style but X's fighting skills and speed was written as it alwasy was, he as easilly blocked IF's attack as he used to blovk Logan's but once his powers weren't working (which was PIS) he failed to dodge the attacks (which wasn't PIS seeing how there was nothing wrong with his speed at the beginning of the book) That says something about his natural speed.

How can I prove anyone's limitations then? If that's the case one could argue that Wolverine moves faster than light because he's dodged Cyclop's shots before. X has a speed limit as was shown in many books, if you're saying that he doesn't it is you who will have to try and prove it.

You're mistaking travelling speed for combat speed. Namor is faster than Spider-man when it comes to getting from point A to point B. But in a fight Spider-man is faster than him, I can show you scans of Namor attacking Spider-man and failing to land a hit on him while Spider-man though holding back is tossing Namor around.

his powers allow him to outomatically lock into his oponnents mind and outomatically react to hismoves so i would say yes his powers make him faster then his oponnent because they make his body react to his oponnents moves

as i said the fight with iron fist is a total PIS and he got hit because as according to thestory he couldnt read his moves so if there is PIS involved in that fight you cant argue something else is right because its only your speculation thatx suppose to be slower but in actual comics they show him as much faster to the point he can avoid machine gun fire and at the same time defeat 2 very trained oponnents, punk wolverine and headhuner together with nuke at the same time all those feats put him on top of that idiotic PIS fight with iron fist

because wolverine had speed limits and was bested but mister x wasnt bested yet and didnt face someone who is faster then him or too fast for him when his powers work like they should because taking away x ability to ream moves and mind its the same thing as take away spider-man spider sense its part of his abilities and powers its not some sword that you give him its part of him

what books exactly show that x got speed limitations where his powers work the way they should?

i am not going to open a namor vs spider-man debate here i will just state that both namor and spider-man will be the same for mister x he read there moves and counter anything they can throwat him, if he is able to do it to wolverine who is at the very least as fast as spider-man in fighting if not faster , to black widow and another fighter at the same time , nuke and headhunter at the same time namora and all thatwithout getting hit even once he will rapespider-man without getting touched because he owned people who are by farmore skilled then spider-man and got better fighting speed like wolverine

Originally posted by manx422
Spider-Man

Miracles do happen......oh wait there wasn't a DC character in this fight.

r u mocking me?

I hear Spidey just accepted a transfer to DC to become Batman`s new buttbo.. the new Robin I mean.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Miracles do happen......

yes they do happen but not even amiracle is going to save spider-man from X

Originally posted by bwahaha_guy
his powers allow him to outomatically lock into his oponnents mind and outomatically react to hismoves so i would say yes his powers make him faster then his oponnent because they make his body react to his oponnents moves

as i said the fight with iron fist is a total PIS and he got hit because as according to thestory he couldnt read his moves so if there is PIS involved in that fight you cant argue something else is right because its only your speculation thatx suppose to be slower but in actual comics they show him as much faster to the point he can avoid machine gun fire and at the same time defeat 2 very trained oponnents, punk wolverine and headhuner together with nuke at the same time all those feats put him on top of that idiotic PIS fight with iron fist

because wolverine had speed limits and was bested but mister x wasnt bested yet and didnt face someone who is faster then him or too fast for him when his powers work like they should because taking away x ability to ream moves and mind its the same thing as take away spider-man spider sense its part of his abilities and powers its not some sword that you give him its part of him

what books exactly show that x got speed limitations where his powers work the way they should?

i am not going to open a namor vs spider-man debate here i will just state that both namor and spider-man will be the same for mister x he read there moves and counter anything they can throwat him, if he is able to do it to wolverine who is at the very least as fast as spider-man in fighting if not faster , to black widow and another fighter at the same time , nuke and headhunter at the same time namora and all thatwithout getting hit even once he will rapespider-man without getting touched because he owned people who are by farmore skilled then spider-man and got better fighting speed like wolverine

I just dont see how you get one thing from another. He reacts automatically but that doesnt upgrade his speed in any way. Spider sense also guides Parker's body on instincts depending on the threat by he stil moves with his natural speed. X is no different.

You misunderstood me. In that book, X's powers failing was PIS, him being slower than Iron Fist was NOT PIS. In the same book he was shown to be AS fast as he ALWAYS was, seeig how easilly he blcked IF's attacks, while you can argue that his powers failig is pis you cant argue that his speed in that book is. IF managed to outfight him and since X was as fast as he usually is shown it proves IF is faster. X was bested several times now. Wolverine was also able to tag X when X failed to lock onto his mind, that proves that it's his powers that help him avoid all the attacks while his overall speed is impressive but not that impressive. Not even on Wolverine's level. Also Spider-man has fought without his spider sense on many occasions, including foes that are far faster than X, like Venom who's shown to be able to chase and CATCH bullets after they're fired, let alone deflect them.

Fair enough about not opening Namor vs Spider-man here but here's where yu're wrong, Wolverine is not faster than Spider-man, he's not even as fast. Spider-man quicker and better at dodging. Fighting Spider-man wont be the same as fighting Namorita, because Spider-man is far faster. You bring up X deflecting bullets. Did you know Spider-man has COUGHT a bullet before with his bare hand after OUTRUNNING it? Not to mention fought opponents far faster than X, the kind of opponents who were shown to be able to catch multiple bullets fired at the same time?

Originally posted by Mshinu
I hear Spidey just accepted a transfer to DC to become Batman`s new buttbo.. the new Robin I mean.
Eh.. beats the whole OMD crap...

Originally posted by SamZED

You misunderstood me. In that book, X's powers failing was PIS,


It was all PIS.

Originally posted by SamZED

him being slower than Iron Fist was NOT PIS.

Yes it was, the entire thing was pis, you can;t uses a part of a PIS event and try to uses it as an arguement. Becuase if ones thing PIS the event was pis and the other parts were probably PIS as well.

Originally posted by SamZED
In the same book he was shown to be AS fast as he ALWAYS was, seeig how easilly he blcked IF's attacks, while you can argue that his powers failig is pis you cant argue that his speed in that book is.

Yes you easily can, he was being displayed slower then luke cage....it was absurd. Try to argue a characters speed based of an event that you yourself reconize as PIS, is faulty logic.

Originally posted by SamZED
IF managed to outfight him and since X was as fast as he usually is shown it proves IF is faster.

Not it doesent, it proves that it was PIS, liek the entire issue.

Originally posted by SamZED
X was bested several times now. Wolverine was also able to tag X when X failed to lock onto his mind, that proves that it's his powers that help him avoid all the attacks while his overall speed is impressive but not that impressive. Not even on Wolverine's level.

His powers do help him, but it not all of it. No he showed to be on the same level as wolverine speed easily, he however did not show to be on Berserker Wolverines level of speed which is an entirely different and much faster beast.

Originally posted by SamZED
Also Spider-man has fought without his spider sense on many occasions, including foes that are far faster than X, like Venom who's shown to be able to chase and CATCH bullets after they're fired, let alone deflect them.


Yes venom has shown this, but he also shown in fast to have individuals like wolverine bouncing all around him cutting him up. Venom seems to utilize his speed while fighting very poorly compared to what he could potentially do if CIS was off.

I'm to lazy to go back and re-visit the responses to my old position on this match, so I'll just provide a new, augmented opinion:

Spidey and X both have precog-ish abilities........that being said, spider-man is, or at least according to stated attributes, much quicker and more agile......seeing as X is limited to a reaction speed/agility level that is within human potential(since he's only human), and spidey is well beyond that limitation(I believe about 20 times that level). Now even if X's precog-like ability negates spidey's, or god forbid, is the superior one(which is IMO, extremely arguable, due to spidey long history of SS and all he's done with it), spidey's significant advantage in speed, equilibrium, and flexibility to any and everyone who operates at mere human level should be able to compensate.

X might know what spidey will do, but does he possess the reaction time neccessary to counter one who surpasses his human reflexes by a mile? not to mention the fact that spidey more or less knows what he'll do as well.

In X's fight with IF, he was confounded by danny's abnormal and unpredictable style of combat. That for me not only raises questions of just how true he was in his own self-explanation of his power, but it also makes me wonder just how well he'd do against spidey's own freestyle type of combat......spidey bends and moves and maneuvers in ways human's and even most metas can only dream of.....is X really efficient enough to combat such a off the wall style of fighting?

I'll just throw in that spidey's long range option(webbing) also could potentially provide a quick and easy solution to this match.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It was all PIS.

Yes it was, the entire thing was pis, you can;t uses a part of a PIS event and try to uses it as an arguement. Becuase if ones thing PIS the event was pis and the other parts were probably PIS as well.

Yes you easily can, he was being displayed slower then luke cage....it was absurd. Try to argue a characters speed based of an event that you yourself reconize as PIS, is faulty logic.

Not it doesent, it proves that it was PIS, liek the entire issue.

His powers do help him, but it not all of it. No he showed to be on the same level as wolverine speed easily, he however did not show to be on Berserker Wolverines level of speed which is an entirely different and much faster beast.

Yes venom has shown this, but he also shown in fast to have individuals like wolverine bouncing all around him cutting him up. Venom seems to utilize his speed while fighting very poorly compared to what he could potentially do if CIS was off.

You heard the guy, he said that X's speed is amped by his powers. And that he goes as fast as he needs depending on the opponent. And has no speed limit. It just I find that very unlikely.
Also, PIS or more like another approach on his powers. In the same book he was easilly blocking Iron Fist's attacks as if he was fighting a child until the whole drunken fist thing. I recognise Fist getting passed his powers with a drunken style as PIS, doesnt mean the whole book is. Especially if there was nothing wrong with X's speed when he started fighting IF, while Cage hit him in midair and while X was thrown off didn't he? Hardly fair and says nothing about his speed. Not to mention its not like IF beat him, he simply hit once and ran away. X was fine few pannels later. I really doubt he's Wolverine fast. Not berserker Wolverine anyone.
I know which fight you're talking about and must say it was poorly written, Venom was drawn like a slow king kong type. Normally he uses his speed all the time. Not to mention he can afford to get stabbed so there's realy no need for him to dodge the attacks.

Originally posted by namorsubby

Spidey and X both have precog-ish abilities........that being said, spider-man is, or at least according to stated attributes,

You mean handbooks which are absurdly inaccurate? The only handbook X was is was wolverine hand book 2004, which was one of the most inaccurate handbooks to date and actaully contradicted it self numerous times.

Originally posted by namorsubby

much quicker and more agile......seeing as X is limited to a reaction speed/agility level that is within human potential(since he's only human),

Your first mistake is to assume he just a human. From day one he displayed speed well beyond any human. You simply believe his speed is human based on his apearence, which is why you never "judge a book by it cover" as they say.

Originally posted by namorsubby
and spidey is well beyond that limitation(I believe about 20 times that level). Now even if X's precog-like ability negates spidey's, or god forbid, is the superior one(which is IMO, extremely arguable, due to spidey long history of SS and all he's done with it),

The way X power works would negate spidermans becuase he locking onto spiderman brain patter and reacting reflexivly to every move spiderman makes and his spidersense tell him to make. Which makes X ability possibly the best power to combat spidersenses and on top of that he a telepath.

Originally posted by namorsubby
spidey's significant advantage in speed, equilibrium, and flexibility to any and everyone who operates at mere human level should be able to compensate.

Again you are basing this all on the fatc X looks like a normal human not based on what he shown. X in his first apearence dodge wolverine to a level Spiderman never even done. Then issue or 2 later he showed to be vastly faster then taskmaster to the point of speed blizt, somehting spidermans never even done to taskmaster.

Originally posted by namorsubby
X might know what spidey will do, but does he possess the reaction time neccessary to counter one who surpasses his human reflexes by a mile? not to mention the fact that spidey more or less knows what he'll do as well.

Based on what? He shown to easily match the speed of individuals who have easily kept base with spiderman, hell X has done better against similar opponents and apeared faster then spiderman did against them. So this statement by you is absurd and based simply on how X looks , not what he displayed.

Originally posted by namorsubby
In X's fight with IF, he was confounded by danny's abnormal and unpredictable style of combat.

It called PIS by a hack writer named reember. The move went by pure instinct which if the author had done his home work he would have known X trained his body/power to combat jsut such a strategy. It actauly contradicted X entire history.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I'll just throw in that spidey's long range option(webbing) also could potentially provide a quick and easy solution to this match.

No, just no.......not even closes........that has pretty much zero chances of ever happening......this is the same man who deflect rapid gun firer by black widow like it was child's play.......

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You mean handbooks which are absurdly inaccurate? The only handbook X was is was wolverine hand book 2004, which was one of the most inaccurate handbooks to date and actaully contradicted it self numerous times.

Your first mistake is to assume he just a human. From day one he displayed speed well beyond any human. You simply believe his speed is human based on his apearence, which is why you never "judge a book by it cover" as they say.

The way X power works would negate spidermans becuase he locking onto spiderman brain patter and reacting reflexivly to every move spiderman makes and his spidersense tell him to make. Which makes X ability possibly the best power to combat spidersenses and on top of that he a telepath.

Again you are basing this all on the fatc X looks like a normal human not based on what he shown. X in his first apearence dodge wolverine to a level Spiderman never even done. Then issue or 2 later he showed to be vastly faster then taskmaster to the point of speed blizt, somehting spidermans never even done to taskmaster.

Based on what? He shown to easily match the speed of individuals who have easily kept base with spiderman, hell X has done better against similar opponents and apeared faster then spiderman did against them. So this statement by you is absurd and based simply on how X looks , not what he displayed.

It called PIS by a hack writer named reember. The move went by pure instinct which if the author had done his home work he would have known X trained his body/power to combat jsut such a strategy. It actauly contradicted X entire history.

No, just no.......not even closes........that has pretty much zero chances of ever happening......this is the same man who deflect rapid gun firer by black widow like it was child's play.......

Where is the evidence that X's power can lock on to Pete's SS?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
You mean handbooks which are absurdly inaccurate? The only handbook X was is was wolverine hand book 2004, which was one of the most inaccurate handbooks to date and actaully contradicted it self numerous times.

Your first mistake is to assume he just a human. From day one he displayed speed well beyond any human. You simply believe his speed is human based on his apearence, which is why you never "judge a book by it cover" as they say.

The way X power works would negate spidermans becuase he locking onto spiderman brain patter and reacting reflexivly to every move spiderman makes and his spidersense tell him to make. Which makes X ability possibly the best power to combat spidersenses and on top of that he a telepath.

Again you are basing this all on the fatc X looks like a normal human not based on what he shown. X in his first apearence dodge wolverine to a level Spiderman never even done. Then issue or 2 later he showed to be vastly faster then taskmaster to the point of speed blizt, somehting spidermans never even done to taskmaster.

Based on what? He shown to easily match the speed of individuals who have easily kept base with spiderman, hell X has done better against similar opponents and apeared faster then spiderman did against them. So this statement by you is absurd and based simply on how X looks , not what he displayed.

It called PIS by a hack writer named reember. The move went by pure instinct which if the author had done his home work he would have known X trained his body/power to combat jsut such a strategy. It actauly contradicted X entire history.

No, just no.......not even closes........that has pretty much zero chances of ever happening......this is the same man who deflect rapid gun firer by black widow like it was child's play.......

1. that's the easiest thing to say.....

2 lol, I assume he's human speed because he is simply human. the illusion of him outreact metas is created by his ability(which, BTW, is one big contradiction of itself)

3.this statement makes no sense to me.....mr.x's power tells him what someone'll do next, supposedly in allowing him to react inately........but SS also does the same.....but spidey has to react manually, which is alright, considering how much faster he is than X reflex wise.

4.lol, again X is not faster than logan or taskmaster....he's not manually reacting anything, supposedly at least.......his pre-warning and inate auotmatic response gives the illusion of superhuman speed, but he still can't react faster than humanly possible.......spidey has a pre-warning too, with no inate automatic response, but with much greater reflexes,flexibility,agility, etc

5. lol, now this one is just wrong......you can quote a few individual appearances and pretend as if spidey is constantly getting owned in the speed department by logan or whoever, but that's simply not true. Truth is, spidey, according to consistent, general showings, is pretty much the fastest, most agile meta around. he's dodged basically all there is to dodge.......those pointblank gunfire feats that most people present in respect threads for peak human MA's and low metas in an attempt to pass them off as a constant thing, they're really a constant thing.....like maybe every 2 out of 3 issues.lol

6.X's writers have wolverine sydrome, no doubt. first, beserker rage beats him, which means his power can't be inate.......then he later describes how he somehow trains this skill into an inate abillity....which is completely impossible....then this inate ability he has attained through training returns once again to it's "devolved" state, when he is bamboozled by a crazy,scatterbrained fighting style.......which is what happened before his "training" against berserker rage

7. fired bullets are very small mases of metal that proceed each other in periods of time.......spidey's webbing can be big enough to cover a house, continuous, and fast....fast enough to catch fired bullets(like X with his swords......yeah I know what I'm saying.lol)

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yet another flaw with Mr.X and his "ability".

in his own description, he states his reflexes automatically map onto an oppponents brain waves. Now, with him being human and all, how does that mean that he can outreact someone who's reflexes are 20 times his superior? The fact is, mr.X is human......and if his power worked the way many imply, he'd be able to easily outfight the most agile character or the fastest superspeedster.......flash would be a breeze for him.....he'd be outmanuvering his every move, every step of the way, even in close h2h combat.

X never anywhere stated that his reflexes will always being able to outmatch those who they "map onto".......no where does he state he can be as fast as he wants to be.......but that's what many fans have been saying one way or another.......you guys kind of just took that description and ran with it, and now it's become something else entirely.

In comics, the difference between "peak human" and standard human is a lot bigger than in real life obviously. Most comic martial artists can dodge bullets but have no actual super speed.
I'll agree webbing will give Mr. X a hard time, as he has no real counter for it. But on the same note, Spider-Man would be caught offguard by X's powers just like Taskmaster and Wolverine were.