Which proves he's got a good amount of Travel speed, which no one is disputing.
But the scene as a whole contradicts the idea of genuine combat, perceptional super speed.
The only example I've seen on this thread that conclusively indicates super speed perceptions would have been the 'searching earth' scan, which is one of the few examples I've seen period over the years. And with his enhanced cosmic senses, even that could be rationalized away (though I think the intent was that he searched it at super speed).
Originally posted by Warlord
then my friend that only means that their reflexes are augmented by the ring in superhuman levels
Perhaps, but we've specifically seen that a Green Lantern can navigate through onrushing meteors with just his natural perceptions. I'm pretty sure that Norrin Radd doing the same is just him using normal perceptions to do so, nothing more interesting than that.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I find it funny that your first scans specifically hurt your argument.
They don't, he had to grab them and move them out, that's an elaborate action right there so he can perceive things and act accordinlgy at those speeds as it is safe to assume he alredy entered the bubble at a sufficeint speed to escape it. Again, I do not equate action or combat speed to cqc h2h speed.
Originally posted by 753
They don't, he had to grab them and move them out, that's an elaborate action right there so he can perceive things and act accordinlgy at those speeds as it is safe to assume he alredy entered the bubble at a sufficeint speed to escape it. Again, I do not equate action or combat speed to cqc h2h speed.
They do, because they demonstrated that he couldn't have performed a complex action in regards to the gem, and instead had to just bum rush the two girls before they exploded. That's not a complex action in and of itself, he's just rushing at a target.
If he had, say, had to carry out multiple people individually or two at a time at that speed, yeah, we'd be talking about someone who was going in, picking people specific people up, dropping them off, then turning back, choosing one or two more people, etc.
Originally posted by Desaad
Which proves he's got a good amount of Travel speed, which no one is disputing.But the scene as a whole contradicts the idea of genuine combat, perceptional super speed.
The only example I've seen on this thread that conclusively indicates super speed perceptions would have been the 'searching earth' scan, which is one of the few examples I've seen period over the years. And with his enhanced cosmic senses, even that could be rationalized away (though I think the intent was that he searched it at super speed).
Following electronic signals inside a complex maze requires a significant fraction of c and very sharp maneuvering and inertia control.
The starship blitzes are truly inconclusive.
In the IG feat, an extremely conservative estimate that has thanos taking 3 whole seconds to deliver that punch (when even normal humans can punch in less than a second) would have SS crossing a light year at more than 10 million times the speed of light, seeing, or somehow perceiving, the IG and then reaching for it.
There is also the nanosecond reaction time shown on panel, he processed a situtation, recognized a time limit to act on it, described it mentally and acted upon it. Emitting an energy pulse, for instance, in the same time frame should be well within his limits.
You may say he is slower than the flash, but there is no way you can really claim he has human-like time perceptions. Some of the green lanterns feats also mandatorily require some sort of superhuman time perception.
Surfer's superhuman reactions are shown less often because it's not a main focus of the character's powerset, but I think it goes far beyond ocasional showings that anyone who's been arround that long have.
Originally posted by Desaad
They do, because they demonstrated that he couldn't have performed a complex action in regards to the gem, and instead had to just bum rush the two girls before they exploded. That's not a complex action in and of itself, he's just rushing at a target.If he had, say, had to carry out multiple people individually or two at a time at that speed, yeah, we'd be talking about someone who was going in, picking people specific people up, dropping them off, then turning back, choosing one or two more people, etc.
He dropped the gem to get the elder to release them, the elder cheated and sent him away with a distraction: chasing the damsels in distress. That has nothing to do with the feat itself, which still required seeing them inside the bubble and grabbing them - equivalent to tagging in a battle - at the speeds he was going in order to escape the explosion. Evidently he knew what he was doing and had the time perception to act accordingly. If he didn't, he'd just be bullrushing blindly in a general direction without seeing or understanding whats going on arround him and wouldn't be able to take them in his arms.
Originally posted by 753
[B]Following electronic signals inside a complex maze requires a significant fraction of c and very sharp maneuvering and inertia control.
Okay, that's fair..that's an arguable one.
The starship blitzes are truly inconclusive.
Agreed. It's the type of thing that you see Starfire or Adam Strange doing.
In the IG feat, an extremely conservative estimate that has thanos taking 3 whole seconds to deliver that punch (when even normal humans can punch in less than a second) would have SS crossing a light year at more than 10 million times the speed of light, seeing, or somehow perceiving, the IG and then reaching for it.
I see that, again, as him just bum rushing.
There is also the nanosecond reaction time shown on panel, he processed a situtation, recognized a time limit to act on it, described it mentally and acted upon it. Emitting an energy pulse, for instance, in the same time frame should be well within his limits.
I don't buy that 'nanosecond reaction time' bit as anything more than hyperbole. Similar things get said about Captain America, Batman and Spiderman.
You may say he is slower than the flash, but there is no way you can really claim he has human-like time perceptions.
Human like perceptions, no. He's got cosmic awareness and enhanced senses, undoubtedly.
But super speed perceptions? Combat super speed? I continue to deny that.
Which doesn't mean that he can't take out Super Speed foes, mind you, because there IS a difference. I don't think Thor has any measurable combat super speed either, but just recently he showed that he was capable of taking on/out Quicksilver.
Some of the green lanterns feats also mandatorily require some sort of superhuman time perception.
Right, which is my point -- even blatantly human level characters like GLs are going to have some super speed examples, just by the nature of the type of comics they are in. I just think that they are so few and far between - for both heralds and GLs - that it's generally not a super power I consider them having.
Originally posted by 753
He dropped the gem to get the elder to release them, the elder cheated and sent him away with a distraction: chasing the damsels in distress. That has nothing to do with the feat itself, which still required seeing them inside the bubble and grabbing them - equivalent to tagging in a battle - at the speeds he was going in order to escape the explosion. Evidently he knew what he was doing and had the time perception to act accordingly. If he didn't, he'd just be bullrushing blindly in a general direction without seeing or understanding whats going on arround him and wouldn't be able to take them in his arms.
All he would have had to do was had his arms open and outstretched to grab them. It wouldn't have taken any special super speed perceptions to do that. Again, had he had to perform a more complex action you'd have a point, but not that IMHO.
Originally posted by DesaadSo they actually state nanosecond and you don't buy it. This is called picking and choosing.
Okay, that's fair..that's an arguable one.Agreed. It's the type of thing that you see Starfire or Adam Strange doing.
I see that, again, as him just bum rushing.
I don't buy that 'nanosecond reaction time' bit as anything more than hyperbole. Similar things get said about Captain America, Batman and Spiderman.
Human like perceptions, no. He's got cosmic awareness and enhanced senses, undoubtedly.
But super speed perceptions? Combat super speed? I continue to deny that.
Which doesn't mean that he can't take out Super Speed foes, mind you, because there IS a difference. I don't think Thor has any measurable combat super speed either, but just recently he showed that he was capable of taking on/out Quicksilver.
Right, which is my point -- even blatantly human level characters like GLs are going to have some super speed examples, just by the nature of the type of comics they are in. I just think that they are so few and far between - for both heralds and GLs - that it's generally not a super power I consider them having.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Browsing the thread, it seems there were a lot of stupid things said, and a few posters, unsurprisingly, agreeing with them. Like this, for example:
Surfer's tracking a wireless electronic signal through a maze-like computer-run planet and keeping up with it, while wounded.
And I would post the scan where he mentally calculates where his enemy is teleporting, then reacts accordingly, but I don't have it. Regardless, I'm sure you and everyone else has already seen it.
So, I don't find it hard to believe he can react to Wally. And he can track him. Nothing I said was stupid.
Originally posted by EnyalusBut...but Phil sayd Flash can runs fast and he have lightning on his heads.
Regardless of what you believe, nothing I said was false. As for reacting (hell, it's also a tracking feat) there's this:Surfer's tracking a wireless electronic signal through a maze-like computer-run planet and keeping up with it, while wounded.
And I would post the scan where he mentally calculates where his enemy is teleporting, then reacts accordingly, but I don't have it. Regardless, I'm sure you and everyone else has already seen it.
So, I don't find it hard to believe he can react to Wally. And he can track him. Nothing I said was stupid.
