Originally posted by SlaaneshIt won't for Flash to win he would have to K.O surfer rather quickly before he can do anything. While on the other hand surfer can one shot Flash when he connects
Surfer but it'll be one hell of a fight..
Either way it's not a hell of a fight. Considering Surfer durability and other abilities like shielding and even if we assuming Flash is faster Surfer would be able to react do go on the defensive and that is all he will need to end this fight.
So you can either beileve Flash stomps or Surfer stomps can't have a good fight here.
so I'm going with Surfer ftw in a no PIS , CIS how will flash survive a planet destruction?
Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm not concerned with whether or not he can keep up with Flash's punches in CQC. No, he can't punch as fast as the Flash can. But he can keep up with his closing movements, and track the Flash wherever he goes.It's not even in character for Surfer to go H2H with someone as fast as the Flash. But being able to follow the Flash while he's running, and track him wherever he runs to, and then blast him with incredible energy projection....ta da. He doesn't need the Flash's H2H speed.
EDIT: Oh, and I just showed on the previous page that he can maneuver at near-light speeds on a planet, inside of rooms and such.
How do you know he can track him? Even if he could SS would be too slow to move by the time Flash gets to him. SS has only proven nanosecond reflexes nothing more. Hell u can't equate reflexes with defending against a punch. Maneuvering at near light speeds isn't enough. That is still a statue to Flash.
Originally posted by kgkg
It won't for Flash to win he would have to K.O surfer rather quickly before he can do anything. While on the other hand surfer can one shot Flash when he connectsEither way it's not a hell of a fight. Considering Surfer durability and other abilities like shielding and even if we assuming Flash is faster Surfer would be able to react do go on the defensive and that is all he will need to end this fight.
So you can either beileve Flash stomps or Surfer stomps can't have a good fight here.
so I'm going with Surfer ftw in a no PIS , CIS how will flash survive a planet destruction?
Flash got the imp..but i don't think that will take out Surfer with shield..and if Surfer blast Flash..i don't even think it will hit Flash..if Flash steal Surfer speed..i think Surfer can amp his speed back with PC..so it'll be a good fight unless Surfer destroy the planet..but that is lame..
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know he can track him? Even if he could SS would be too slow to move by the time Flash gets to him. SS has only proven nanosecond reflexes nothing more. Hell u can't equate reflexes with defending against a punch. Maneuvering at near light speeds isn't enough. That is still a statue to Flash.
Sure you can, SS's powers are thougt activated, he can conjure up shields, go intangible, teleport, shrink, open portals, etc. all he needs for that is reaction time.
SS can track a grain of dust across the universe. The scan I posted earlier with him inside a maze tracking electronic signals shows he can maneuver at least at a signifcant fraction of c. He managed to see the IG and make a grab for it while moving at millions of times the speed of light, that's a pretty good reaction. This may all be insufficient to keep up with the flash's absurd maneuverabilty, but SS can cover the battlefield with area attacks that get the flash no matter where he is. If flash reaches SS before he can even react, which I'm a bit skeptical about, then it's a matter of how much damage flash can deal out before SS reacts and how much surfer's durabilty can take. I think he can handle an initial blitz.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Nah.
Wally keeping up with Zoom is arguably the best combat speed feat by any speedster.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
BTW, Silver Surfer would be a statue against Zoom.
So I don't get at all what you were trying to say there.
Originally posted by 753
Sure you can, SS's powers are thougt activated, he can conjure up shields, go intangible, teleport, shrink, open portals, etc. all he needs for that is reaction time.SS can track a grain of dust across the universe. The scan I posted earlier with him inside a maze tracking electronic signals shows he can maneuver at least at a signifcant fraction of c. He managed to see the IG and make a grab for it while moving at millions of times the speed of light, that's a pretty good reaction. This may all be insufficient to keep up with the flash's absurd maneuverabilty, but SS can cover the battlefield with area attacks that get the flash no matter where he is. If flash reaches SS before he can even react, which I'm a bit skeptical about, then it's a matter of how much damage flash can deal out before SS reacts and how much surfer's durabilty can take. I think he can handle an initial blitz.
You just can't assume that all his powers are activated at the same time as his thoughts. He could think "Force Field" yet it takes 5 nanoseconds to activate after the thought. You just can't assume that SS is that smart or skilled in battle either. He wouldn't have proper time to think even if he could respond.
IMO, SS has at best nanosecond reflexes and can't manuever to light speed within the first 3m of travel (or 1st nanosecond). That means he will fail to make a significant movement by the time Flash gets to him for the IMP.
Originally posted by h1a8
You just can't assume that all his powers are activated at the same time as his thoughts. He could think "Force Field" yet it takes 5 nanoseconds to activate after the thought. You just can't assume that SS is that smart or skilled in battle either. He wouldn't have proper time to think even if he could respond.
IMO, SS has at best nanosecond reflexes and can't manuever to light speed within the first 3m of travel (or 1st nanosecond). That means he will fail to make a significant movement by the time Flash gets to him for the IMP.
Why cant I assume that? It's the general portrayal of TK, energy projection, force fields, phasing, etc. there is no reason to assume otherwise, nowhere has it ever been stated or shown that his powers have a legging to it. He even managed to break out of chains with body movement in under a nanosecond before.
CIS and CIP are off for this fight, so SS should to get himself out of harm's way when he sees some dude blitzing ftl towards him.
Originally posted by h1a8So why can't we assume Surfer can do these things when he has shown the ability to do these things.
You just can't assume that all his powers are activated at the same time as his thoughts. He could think "Force Field" yet it takes 5 nanoseconds to activate after the thought. You just can't assume that SS is that smart or skilled in battle either. He wouldn't have proper time to think even if he could respond.
IMO, SS has at best nanosecond reflexes and can't manuever to light speed within the first 3m of travel (or 1st nanosecond). That means he will fail to make a significant movement by the time Flash gets to him for the IMP.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So why can't we assume Surfer can do these things when he has shown the ability to do these things.
Shown to do what? I didn't say Surfer couldn't do anything. I said it is an assumption to how and when he can do them. And why u always argue against me when u say I'm only using power sets yet when another Marvel fan uses them u are silent. Marvel fans stick together through right or wrong.
To be honest, that is the only reason why many here tolerate you. You are a Marvel fan over D.C.
Originally posted by SlaaneshI don't see how that's a good fight. The end result will be either Surfer get's K.O without being able to do much , or Flash get one shotted.
Flash got the imp..but i don't think that will take out Surfer with shield..and if Surfer blast Flash..i don't even think it will hit Flash..if Flash steal Surfer speed..i think Surfer can amp his speed back with PC..so it'll be a good fight unless Surfer destroy the planet..but that is lame..
because If Surfer can react to an initial flash blitz and survive<which he will> he wins even if Flash was able to dodge most of his attacks eventually Surfer will just trap the entire earth or start blowing shit up.