Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Alright, alright, stop.Yes, he did. Yo ucannoy beat the game without the golden gauntlets I cannot repeat this anymore. You seimply CANNOT do it.
Ganon is all one character, and gameplay defeats arent' feats, and cannot be compared to what we know about the character. Cutscenes > gameplay. Ganon is stronger than OoT Link, that much is indisputable.
TP Link is as strong or stronger.
1. Ganon and Ganondorf are one character but they do not have the same abilities. Common sense.
Ganondorf uses mostly magic and Ganon (before LttP) uses strength. When Ganon had the full Triforce, he gained the ability to use the technique of darkness. To say Ganondorf can do everything Ganon can do is just fooling yourself. Ganondorf fought with magic and when he realized that it was just being used against him, he transformed into Ganon and decided to go melee.
TP Link is nowhere at strength of OoT Link w/ golden gauntlets. He lifted nothing as heavy as that huge pillar. Ganondorf's only strength feat was breaking out of his chains.
Yes I agree that he had them and that they're canon, but their powers are not in effect outside of their purpose. The only time they're shown in effect is in lifting whatever he lifts, not gripping, striking or anything outside lifting what he lifts.
Nah. If we accepted that, Link can throw a massive pillar farther and faster than a small rock. Gameplay mechanic.
Why would it be any different? The silver gauntlets allow him to throw unmarked rocks, why not the golden gauntlets? The reason? Everything recieves only one animation. When you get hte SG's, you get the animation for larger rocks. When you get the GG's, you get the full on cutscene for the massive pillar.
You're trying to argue a gameplay mechanic, like Kratos attacks not sending random enemies flying all day, to say the GG's to not increase Link's strength, when we have a quote from the items (their in game description) telling us they give him strength. Not strength to lift, strength.
In most/any game including GoW when the character gets a physical power up their attacks do more damage or increase knockback.
''You found the Silver Gauntlets! If you wore them, you would feel the power in your arms, the power to lift big things with (A)!''
"You found the Golden Gauntlets! You can feel even more power coursing through your arms! Grab with (A) and lift stuff up!"
Power to lift.
You're ignoring that this would somehow allow him to throw larger objects easier. haermm
I've highlighted about 5 different reasons your theory doesn't work, so yeah.
1. you're using gameplay, Gj.
2. Link stuns Ganon, something Midna could not do
3. The gauntlets say they make him stronger.
4. Somehow Link would have to lift heavier objects with more ease.
5. Other characters in gaming behave the exact some way with strength boosts.
No idea or forgot what you're getting at with the throwing objects ~,~
1. Im using quotes too.
2. Midna does against beast Ganon.... this relevant?
3. The Gauntlets say they have more power then the Silver, which says 'power to lift lift big things'. Its right there in the quote.
4. ?
5. Kratos/Dante gets Gauntlets his attacks are stronger. Sora gets a stronger weapon or powered up from a form his attacks are stronger. Link does not.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lifting things is still the gameplay use of the Silver Gauntlets.
5. Kratos/Dante gets Gauntlets his attacks are stronger. Sora gets a stronger weapon or powered up from a form his attacks are stronger. Link does not.Different games, not relevant, since power increasing items have never increased damage in Zelda games.
K, go play OoT, get the golden gauntlets, and chuck a pillar, then go pickup a small rock, and throw that... You throw the pillar many many times farther and faster.
Explain?
IE: the gauntlets do not alter gameplay mechanics. Why would they alter damage if they don't evne alter throwing? 😐
Gauntlets make him stronger.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Different games, not relevant, since power increasing items have never increased damage in Zelda games.K, go play OoT, get the golden gauntlets, and chuck a pillar, then go pickup a small rock, and throw that... You throw the pillar many many times farther and faster.
Explain?
IE: the gauntlets do not alter gameplay mechanics. Why would they alter damage if they don't evne alter throwing? 😐
Gauntlets make him stronger.
Power rings did.
Throwing objects needn't change, no reason to. Damage on the other hand has a reason to increase. Wouldn't even need to change the animation so there's nothing stopping the increase.
The non-enhanced grip strength that some guy told me makes sense. Meh. And that chain clip isnt 500/1000 ton strength.
Both of those game descriptions say that its power to lift.
Power rings did.They increased this, and only this, whiel decreasing his durability. They didn't even boost his other damage.
Throwing objects needn't change, no reason to. Damage on the other hand has a reason to increase. Wouldn't even need to change the animation so there's nothing stopping the increase.The developers simply chose not to. This isn't another game, this is Zelda, strength increasing items don't increase damage, never have.
The non-enhanced grip strength that some guy told me makes sense. Meh. And that chain clip isnt 500/1000 ton strength.Takes time for people with the pieces of the triforce to unlock their power, that was Ganon at his absolute weakest, much like Link stopping goats at the beginning of the game.
Both of those game descriptions say that its power to lift.
Edit: Nvm, forgot I started masterquest. (Uses the same save file name as OoT, using an emu atm...) Not far enough. Gimme some time.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They increased this, and only this, whiel decreasing his durability. They didn't even boost his other damage.The developers simply chose not to. This isn't another game, this is Zelda, strength increasing items don't increase damage, never have.
Takes time for people with the pieces of the triforce to unlock their power, that was Ganon at his absolute weakest, much like Link stopping goats at the beginning of the game.
Lemme get a screenshot. Be back in a bit.
Edit: Nvm, forgot I started masterquest. (Uses the same save file name as OoT, using an emu atm...) Not far enough. Gimme some time.
So the Power ring does exactly what it says but the gauntlets don't?
Hard to just say the developers chose not to for no reason. Damage increase from the ring not count?
Read up on that awhile ago and the majority (which i agree with) say that Ganon already had access so it would not be his first time using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XuIPeu6Ks 1:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qon4eBR1rM4 3:40
If thats what you were looking for.
So the Power ring does exactly what it says but the gauntlets don't?
/Facepalm. Reread what I said. The power ring does not increase strength, only the damage of his sword, and nothing else. It also decreases his durability. See how this isn't a valid comparison?
Read up on that awhile ago and the majority (which i agree with) say that Ganon already had access so it would not be his first time using it.
Wrong, split timeline.
This is the first time Ganon recieved the triforce of power in the child timeline. After OoT, Link is sent back to BEFORE OoT, and stops the events of OoT from taking place in that timeline, when Ganon's alternate self touches the triforce in the adult timeline, the triforce being the time transcending thingamajiggy that it is, is given to Ganon is both timelines at the exact same time. Ganon had already been executed, and was until that point just a dying mortal. Those were his first few seconds with the ToP.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
/Facepalm. Reread what I said. The power ring does not increase strength, only the damage of his sword, and nothing else. It also decreases his durability. See how this isn't a valid comparison?Wrong, split timeline.
This is the first time Ganon recieved the triforce of power in the child timeline. After OoT, Link is sent back to BEFORE OoT, and stops the events of OoT from taking place in that timeline, when Ganon's alternate self touches the triforce in the adult timeline, the triforce being the time transcending thingamajiggy that it is, is given to Ganon is both timelines at the exact same time. Ganon had already been executed, and was until that point just a dying mortal. Those were his first few seconds with the ToP.
Thought you were implying that never in LoZ has Links attack powers increased. To back track on that, saying items that allow him to lift heavy things and not gain attack strength doesnt help this argument. Just pointing out similar situations.
That was all already brought up and the decision was the same. Two things I personally wanted to know was that if it was the first time how did he know exactly what was happening? And when was it said that the effects are slow acting?
We done with the lift stuff or are you waiting to get to that part in the game?