Walk strength, Link was moving back while the Fyrus resisted, and pulled his feet right out from under him. Link is stronger, the only reason he needs the boots is to make himself heavier. Even with them, he cannot move backward unless he is stronger. Link. Is. Stronger. Power scaling alone proves Link is much stronger than Mercer, let alone the sword lock with Ganon.
This is all moot anyway. By the end of the game Link is much stronger, and shows it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No matter how strong you are, the heavier one in motion will move the lighter stronger one. This is how physics works, the boots only anchor him, they do not make him stronger. Link is stronger than Gorons, see the above feat, consider that.
Well they must be easy to stop then with iron boots on ermm
Are you talking the above feat with the goron mask? Cause he needed a mask?
Or the feats with the unproven weights, materials of the object, whether it was hallow or not, etc...
I only believe official stats from sources like, well lets say the creators? A measurements from the books, you know creditable sources that aren't guesstimates.
Sword lock with Ganon, but what has TP Ganon done physical strength wise? I mean they show some pretty inconsistent/confusing stuff on these games, like a full triforce losing to fairy enhanced arrows, Bo, the four sword stuff, different Ganondorfs diff feats, different Links diff feats, different Zelda... same feats???
Originally posted by BloodRain
Just stronger then his walk strength. Wont be that high.
It just has to be heavier than the Goron so he cannot pull it. Gorons are being overhyped, Bos only secret are boots made from iron, nothing to do with strength and the numbers for Goron weight and strength do not come from the game, they come from fan calculations. not canon.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There is only one Ganon.
One ganon, and one Ganondorf and a large number of forms they take between them.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Yet you use them. My point is that you have no right to neglect calculations made by fans, since you use calculations frequently as well. Calculations as calculations. Neglect all math, or none. [/B]
Your point is shot down by the fact I use simple and basic calculations based on pretty obvious events. Physics in LoZ are not the same as physics in LoK and more importantly, LoK do not have things like iron boots that can question the calculations in general.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Their calculation is pretty basic too. It just looks complicated because there are a lot of numbers. Still, all math or none. It is hypocritical to neglect ones math and enforce ones own on the basis of "obvious events"Raziel moves stones. Link moves stones.
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Not hypocritical if I am basing my math on something completly different to what the Link club is. I dont agree with their methods.
Wrong, Raziel pushes stones around. Simple, basic etc. He does it physically, he uses no items to gain this strength and theres reasons for his physical powers. He does not do anything ridiculous like throwing whats apprently 1k tonnes.
Link lifts stones that would unbalance him, crush him, and despite his struggling with lifting it, he somehow tosses it without hardly moving his arms. But a huge number of arguments from how valid the physics are in LoZ (see bouncing gorons) or how serious the developers take the calaculations (no other physics are shown in the same game, Ganon who is stronger can only knock a sword a few meters).
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality"
Are you saying that just because LoZ is not LoK, calculations can not be made? You are restricting math, the most powerful tool in the world, on a relativity technicality.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality"[b]Are you saying that just because LoZ is not LoK, calculations can not be made? You are restricting math, the most powerful tool in the world, on a relativity technicality.
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No, you missed the point. I am saying if one game has illogical usage of physics and may not take physics seriously at all like LoZ then being more cynical of the use of math in it rather than LoK is fine imo.
In your opinion, yes. Does not make it true. LoZ does not have illogical usage of physics. You just think it does. What LoZ has, is LoZ physics. Like how LoK has LoK physics.
LoK fail at real life physics because Kain travel in time among other things. So while LoZ does not have real physics, neither does LoK. They both fail at it.
So either all math, or no math. And do not pull "LoK has more logical physics", because it is not relevant. Either it is real life physics, or it is not. Reality is an absolute, and all things interpreting it is relative. Theoretic. LoK is at best wannabe real life physics.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]In your opinion, yes. Does not make it true. LoZ does not have illogical usage of physics. You just think it does. What LoZ has, is LoZ physics. Like how LoK has LoK physics.LoK fail at real life physics because Kain travel in time among other things. So while LoZ does not have real physics, neither does LoK. They both fail at it.
So either all math, or no math. And do not pull "LoK has more logical physics", because it is not relevant. Either it is real life physics, or it is not. Reality is an absolute, and all things interpreting it is relative. Theoretic. LoK is at best wannabe real life physics.
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Using this worlds physics to define LoZ is why his calculations are wrong. LoK physics however do not differ much from our world, hence the math being more likely.
Not relevent to physical objects....magic was the exception for time travel.
It among a lot of games have closer to real life physics than LoZ. Hence my math would make more sense. Ignoring the fact ofc that my math is based on basic math, not math that revolves around items and impossible acts of physics.
Does not differ? KAIN TRAVELED IN TIME! That defy the physics of our world bigtime. A band of physicians declared it IMPOSSIBLE to travel in time, because it defied the rules of physics.
LoK physics differ A LOT. Kain survived without a heart. Kain IS a living dead. Kain turn into mist.
If you are saying that a world filled with magic is close to our world in terms of physics, you might just have topped yourself at foolery.
You can say what you want. Kain traveling in time remove any chance for real life physics to apply to LoK. LoK, as well as LoZ and any other fictional world follow one very simple concept:
What you see is what you get. Do not involve real life physics in it. It does not belong.
Har, thread got a little derailed, good times. I think I will try to bring it back on topic.
Based on the OP, I would say that Mercer could win maybe 4-5/10 times. If he tries to keep Link at a distance, he will be turned into a walking pincushion. If he gets too close, he will have to deal with a skilled swordsman with more than enough skill to chop him to pieces.
Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Does not differ? KAIN TRAVELED IN TIME! That defy the physics of our world bigtime. A band of physicians declared it IMPOSSIBLE to travel in time, because it defied the rules of physics.LoK physics differ A LOT. Kain survived without a heart. Kain IS a living dead. Kain turn into mist.
If you are saying that a world filled with magic is close to our world in terms of physics, you might just have topped yourself at foolery.
You can say what you want. Kain traveling in time remove any chance for real life physics to apply to LoK. LoK, as well as LoZ and any other fictional world follow one very simple concept:
What you see is what you get. Do not involve real life physics in it. It does not belong.
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Using sorcery, something we do not have. Kain didnt use science to do it afaik.
Supernatural sorcery, again, this is not comparison to object physics.
Baiting and trolling again, and worse through ignorance? "sigh"
Thats a really ignorant thing to say, just because one element that has no connection to moving a rock and through magical means too is physically unachievable (its not in LoK, magic does it) does not defeat the object.
And what we see is a fairly basic feat of strength possible through simply being stronger than a man. Theres no special "exception" made other than physically being stronger.