OmegaRed vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Sabretooth has over powered Rogue and Miss Marvel.

Not even Wayverine was all that effected by Omega Red's death spores or life drain, during combat and he is a much weaker incarnation than the standard well written Wolverine. Sabretooth is going to be fine, it will be hours before he starts to slow down.

He never tried life drain on him, and the deathspores werent even used for the most part, and omega red was dumb down as well as was almost everyone.

red should win

sabretooth could win a few

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He dident overpower really either one. He went hit for hit with ms. marvel and he ambushed rougue. It was not overpowering them. It was impressive and showed he strong and hits hard but not the same thing.

He never tried life drain on him, and the deathspores werent even used for the most part, and omega red was dumb down as well.

Um, yes he was, Wolverine even said so himself. "Every piece I take from him, he replaces with a piece of me."

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Um, yes he was, Wolverine even said so himself. "Every piece I take from him, he replaces with a piece of me."

Every time he ever shown to uses it he drained wolverine extremely fast amoung other. Omega Red suffers from cis jsut as much as sabre-tooth vs wolverine. He almost always toys with him and never uses his life drain.

The only time Red's powers had any sort of immediate effect on Wolverine was his first appearance. One time. Every fight they've had since then has been much different. Healing factors on Wolverine and Creed's level are able to combat the negative side effect of Red's Deathspores and life siphon for hours.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The only time Red's powers had any sort of immediate effect on Wolverine was his first appearance. One time. Every fight they've had since then has been much different.

it happen a number of times, it showed to have immediate effect in uncanny x-men as well amoung others. He rarly even uses his life drain. Hell after He koed wolevrien with it in the first apearance he fought him again with out using it only pheramones and still wolverine was no match.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Healing factors on Wolverine and Creed's level are able to combat the negative side effect of Red's Deathspores and life siphon for hours.

Pheramones yes, life drain no. Red hardly uses the life drain, but when he does he drops wolverien colossus ect. pritty much anyone he touches extremely fast.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
.......when was this? I think you may be mistaken......

if i am no shame but here is the scan

http://www.freewebs.com/eternaldomo/ArkadyvsRogue2.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/eternaldomo/ArkadyvsRogue.jpg

clarification would be appreciated...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if i am no shame but here is the scan

http://www.freewebs.com/eternaldomo/ArkadyvsRogue2.jpg

http://www.freewebs.com/eternaldomo/ArkadyvsRogue.jpg

clarification would be appreciated...

I still don't see how Creed can get out of Red straining him with his tentacles. Colossus is stronger than Creed and Red restrained Colossus. Red can just enjoy absorbing all of his life force and using the pheromones on him.

Originally posted by pinksushi1
I still don't see how Creed can get out of Red straining him with his tentacles. Colossus is stronger than Creed and Red restrained Colossus. Red can just enjoy absorbing all of his life force and using the pheromones on him.

Yeah but its not hard to figure out why you can't put the pieces together. I mean, despite the differences in each situation being explained to you several times, you still haven't figured out the mystery of how Arkady restraining Colossus differs from Akrady restraining Creed.

Once again: Omega Red's life drain affects Colossus imminently, severally weakening him instantly, where as Sabretooth's healing factor combats Omega Red's life siphoning, allowing him to operate at peak efficiency for much, much longer. Colossus lakes the strength to break free from Omega Red's tentacles because they leech away his life force, sapping his strength and rendering him feeble and week. Understand? The same thing won't happen to Sabretooth as his healing factor will keep replenishing him. Basically what it comes done to, and this is the simplest way I can put this, is Sabretooth is stronger than a severely weakened a Colossus who's life is being drained by Omega Red.

Todays lesson was brought to you by the letter O.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
That makes senses given her powers, but that first scan I dont believe is cannon and they don't go togather if not mistaken there from two different comics. Actaully I am positive there from two different comics.

either way if they are or not, i still think the coils restraining certain ppl doesnt always work on others,, there is no set strength for the coils since i think it is dependent on the persons stamina, powers rather then strength.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah but its not hard to figure out why [b]you can't put the pieces together. I mean, despite the differences in each situation being explained to you several times, you still haven't figured out the mystery of how Arkady restraining Colossus differs from Akrady restraining Creed.

Once again: Omega Red's life drain affects Colossus imminently, severally weakening him instantly, where as Sabretooth's healing factor combats Omega Red's life siphoning, allowing him to operate at peak efficiency for much, much longer. Colossus lakes the strength to break free from Omega Red's tentacles because they leech away his life force, sapping his strength and rendering him feeble and week. Understand? The same thing won't happen to Sabretooth as his healing factor will keep replenishing him. Basically what it comes done to, and this is the simplest way I can put this, is Sabretooth is stronger than a severely weakened a Colossus who's life is being drained by Omega Red.

Todays lesson was brought to you by the letter O. [/B]

You forgot that Red's pheromones and life force absorption abilities negate healing factors. And again, how does Creed defeat or even kill Red?

the pheromones have never ever negated HF maybe with time and wearing them down but it doesnt outright negate it to the point where they would be ko'ed, unable to heal from minor wounds or be one shotted ko'ed..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the pheromones have never ever negated HF maybe with time and wearing them down but it doesnt outright negate it to the point where they would be ko'ed, unable to heal from minor wounds or be one shotted ko'ed..

I never said immediately, but it would make a difference.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
care to elaborate why one isnt canon or should i just take your world for?

either way if they are or not, i still think the coils restraining certain ppl doesnt always work on others,, there is no set strength for the coils since i think it is dependent on the persons stamina, powers rather then strength.

The second scan is from uncanny x-men and that hit literrally did nothing to OR. It was when they kid napped the x-men and wolverine.

They work all the same, the difference is if he uses his life drain or not. Even with out using it he been shown strong enough to hold colossus though colossus had no leverage due to be lifted off the ground. However that still puts OR at around class 90. He also displayed strength enough to hold Ironman down (who the life drain did not work on due to him not being in the armor) and pierced ironmans armor further proving his class 90 status. He also easily held a helicopter that tried to fly away.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the pheromones have never ever negated HF maybe with time and wearing them down but it doesnt outright negate it to the point where they would be ko'ed, unable to heal from minor wounds or be one shotted ko'ed..

Omega Red can and has taken on Wolverine, Colossus and the X-Men. Omega Red's armor, tendrils, healing factor, durability, strength, combat abilities and death spores are simply too much for Creed.

It was an 18 hour fight, and Logan would have died from it, if Maverick did not give him medical aid. Also, Omega Red admitted he was merely toying with him.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It weakens the healing factor, over time he takes effect like when wolverien fought omega red for 18 hours. However life drain is much different and display to work almost immediately. There a misconception that red uses the life drain every time he grabs some one with his coil's this is false. He chooses when and were and he rarely uses it becuase he enjoys a good fight which is the only reason wolverine does not get beat down within seconds everytime they fight. OR even with out death factor is a beast. His natural blunt force durability is absurd and added with the armor makes him bullet proof and even bazooka proof to the point that he has taken one directly with no harm. He also has superhuman reflexes good enough to deflect bullets, he run down I believe sports car on foot display his superhuman speed, he posses roughly class 90 strength (dispite what the handbooks might suggest), and he superhuman agility and stamina, pheramones.

Originally posted by Mindset
Where are you getting he has class 90 strength from?

Only source that says other wises is a very old handbook which also if not mistaken had doc ock as well as omega red as class 10.......which is rediculous since both espcially OR from the get go display class 90 like strength.

Though red is a Wolverine rouge.........it like venom beign a spiderman rouge.......cis is the only thing that allows this. Red a walking team wrecker. He toys with wolverine and purposly does not uses his powers. If red ever went full out on wolverine he die within a minute if not less (not actually die but be KOed)

Red well toying with wolverine and not using his life drain dismantle wolverien pretty much everytime they fight.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Given his consistently display feats from pretty much day one. He held colossus down twice with his coil's (with out the uses of death factor), he easily throw a tank with one arm with utter ease, he held helicopter while in mid flight from moving. He always been displayed with vast vast superhuman strength.

Only source that says other wises is a very old handbook which also if not mistaken had doc ock as well as omega red as class 10.......which is rediculous since both espcially OR from the get go display class 90 like strength.

Btw, got scans?