OmegaRed vs Sabretooth

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Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindset
Only one of those could suggest class 90 strength, and I'm sure I could find Colossus being held down, ect. by someone with less than Class 90. But I'm willing to give you that if he has consistently shown that level of strength.

Btw, got scans?

I am looking right now, but here what he did with iroman with pure strength

srankmissingnin VP of Comic Knowledge
Originally posted by pinksushi1
You forgot that Red's pheromones and life force absorption abilities negate healing factors. And again, how does Creed defeat or even kill Red?

No it doesn't, hence Wolverine fighting Omega Red for 18 hours. If Arkady's tentacles are touching you, he's draining your life. That's their hole reason for existing, to act as a conduit for his mutant ability. The passive drain from the death spores is barely enough to counteract the Carbonadium poisoning he lives with from day to day, if he is actually taking damage not only is he actively life siphoning, but he has to life siphon or he'll die. Thats his back story. Thats the reason he is after the C-Synthesizer. Don't sure how you two (you and Battlehammer) came up with the theory that he doesn't actively drain people during combat... I mean didn't that make you wonder why he even needed the C-Synthesizer? The dude is slowly dieing on a good day when he isn't taking unnecessary extra damage. 😕

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No it doesn't, hence Wolverine fighting Omega Red for 18 hours. If Arkady's tentacles are touching you, he's draining your life. That's their hole reason for existing, to act as a conduit for his mutant ability.

That a misconception, he controls when they drain and don't. He display this several times, like when he held tow children hostage and they were completely fine dispite him holding them with his tenticles.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The passive drain from the death spores is barely enough to counteract the Carbonadium poisoning he lives with from day to day, if he is actually taking damage not only is he actively life siphoning, but he has too life siphon or he'll die.

Though he will die, it far less dangerous to him then originally presented as. He never really shown to weaken or anything from it and he been talking about it for years. He does not need any type of constant drain I mean he been tortured for months on end before and they were not feeding him life. To be honest it a lot more like wolverien adamatium, he could live months with out it. It weaken red, but it nothing that is right away life threatening, it more or less misconception in omega red mind that never shown to do really anything except slightly weaken him, and gone a while with out draining people before a long while.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thats his back story. Thats the reason he is after the C-Synthesizer. Don't sure how you two (you and Battlehammer) came up with the theory that he doesn't actively drain people during combat... I mean didn't that make you wonder why he even needed the C-Synthesizer? The dude is slowly dieing on a good day when he isn't taking unnecessary extra damage. 😕

It more like adamatium poison it not fast like it was originally presented as. Wolverine was originally suposes to die extremely fast from adamatium poison, but that turned out to be wrong. It a misconception they put in his head. It really never been display as such and he shown few times to go without draining other for quite some time. C-Synthesizer will bring him to full power which is why he wants it badly, unhinder omega red would be at full power all the time and any energy he asorb which simply increase his power beyond his natural levels.

Because he doesent activly drain people during fights, asside from pheramones which at times he does not even uses.

pinksushi1 Senior Member
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No it doesn't, hence Wolverine fighting Omega Red for 18 hours. If Arkady's tentacles are touching you, he's draining your life. That's their hole reason for existing, to act as a conduit for his mutant ability. The passive drain from the death spores is barely enough to counteract the Carbonadium poisoning he lives with from day to day, if he is actually taking damage not only is he actively life siphoning, but he has to life siphon or he'll die. Thats his back story. Thats the reason he is after the C-Synthesizer. Don't sure how you two (you and Battlehammer) came up with the theory that he doesn't actively drain people during combat... I mean didn't that make you wonder why he even needed the C-Synthesizer? The dude is slowly dieing on a good day when he isn't taking unnecessary extra damage. 😕

Omega Red was toying with Wolverine for those 18 hours. You must realize this please. And if Maverick did not give Logan medical aid, he would have died.

Wild Shadow Restricted

when he was held prisoner there was no mention of what they were feeding him he could have easily bn fed life animals or prisoners just to keep him alive but it doesnt matter it is all assumption is your argument.

also omega red stated he was feeling better after slightly draining colossus so we know he was weaken from lack of food, victim or torture so he can be weaken...

The children were quickly removed by Kurt and colossus if i recall correctly, OR may have chosen not to siphon them or didnt get the chance... iirc Kurt was weaken within seconds of being in Omega reds presence..

dont do this Battlehammer i implore you stand down....

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
when he was held prisoner there was no mention of what they were feeding him he could have easily bn fed life animals or prisoners just to keep him alive but it doesnt matter it is all assumption is your argument.

also omega red stated he was feeling better after slightly draining colossus so we know he was weaken from lack of food, victim or torture so he can be weaken...

The children were quickly removed by Kurt and colossus if i recall correctly, OR may have chosen not to siphon them or didnt get the chance... iirc Kurt was weaken within seconds of being in Omega reds presence..

dont do this Battlehammer i implore you stand down....


True they could have though, seems unlikely since they could have made him strong enough to break out. Even if they did, they were for months cutting him into pieces and studying how powerful his ability to endure damage was. I mean if it was so dangerous to him? why would they even bother studying him? He bee almost dieing, or be dead given the torture, if you wish to assume that carbon adamatium would finish him.

yes forth months he was, and no ones sayinmg he can't be weakened. I am saying it not as fast as it was originally implied. Just like with wolverine adamatium poisoning it was originally potrayed as if it kill him right away, but he lasted months with out it. The same with red, it not nearly as fast acting as it was originally stated to be, and to be honest even back then it was more of a way keep a leash on red to make him believe he die with out it. He been fine for years.

stand down for what? that Omega Red does not constantly drain everything he touches with his coil? that he actually activates it and controls it, becuase it his power? Becuase thats how it been potrayed and I can back it up with scans.

Wild Shadow Restricted

i agree that OR can and does control the life siphon but, saying he doesnt use it in fights unless specifically stated and he rarely uses them against logan is one hell of a stretch..

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i agree that OR can and does control the life siphon but, saying he doesnt use it in fights unless specifically stated and he rarely uses them against logan is one hell of a stretch..

Not really, he even displayed it. In there first encounter he used it and took him out instantly. Then they fought later to study wolverine abilities and omega red did not uses the death factor inorder to prolong the fight for the study which was made very clear which is why it last for 18 hours. Everytime he used it he shown to drain wolverien right away like in uncanny x-men. It quite clear when he uses it and not. Hell it the same thing he does with colossus, when he uses it he drains colossus in seconds, and it quite clear when he does not.

If it not stated or shown why would you assume he using it? it illogical, we seen what happens when he does uses it he drains wolverine in seconds..........if wolverine not being drained when he grabs him and it not stated he using it why would you assume he is? Especially since with out using it and toying with him Wolverine after 18 hours could not even seem to slow OR.

buenokid Restricted
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Omega Red, if he uses life drain this won't be much of a fight. He was trying to capture Creed when they fought and did not uses the full extent of his powers.

are you retarded? he was trying to capture him but it doesnt mean hewasnt trying to hurthim deepshit, he was trying to beat sabs down and then capture him which means he just had to keep him alive and if something then the life drain would be the best way to do it since it would weaken sabretooth but it had no effect in that fight and sabretooth handed red his ass and the most upgraded sabretooth of weapon x would destroy red got that idiot?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by buenokid
are you retarded? he was trying to capture him but it doesnt mean hewasnt trying to hurthim deepshit, he was trying to beat sabs down and then capture him which means he just had to keep him alive and if something then the life drain would be the best way to do it since it would weaken sabretooth but it had no effect in that fight and sabretooth handed red his ass and the most upgraded sabretooth of weapon x would destroy red got that idiot?

I am an idiot now? Right because Red would uses his most powerful attack which could pontential be lethal to even Sabre-tooth.......the man he wishes to capture yea that makes senses.......oh wait did we see red uses it.......nope. have we seen how red handles individuals he trying to capture instead of kill? yes we have with Wolverine......wait for it......he never used his life drain. Yes becuase one individual trying to capture someone agaisnt someone trying to kill him is a fair representation of how a fight would go? yea and I am the idiot here 🙄

Battlehammer Senior Member

Hell even if you compare how they both do against Wolverine your believe that sabre-tooth destroys OR is simply wrong. And you can't even say it only becuase of CIS for sabre-tooth, because OR suffer from the same CIS. Wolverine has beaten Sabre-tooth before and gives him hell of a fight, when he fights red he never beaten him, he gets man handled and he almost always has a team. The best he done is uses a plot device to escape red.....and he killed red......but even then he acknowledge he was no match......and only killed red, becuase red literrally let him get first shot for free......red mistake was that the sword wolverine held turned off healing factor

buenokid Restricted
Originally posted by Battlehammer
I am an idiot now? Right because Red would uses his most powerful attack which could pontential be lethal to even Sabre-tooth.......the man he wishes to capture yea that makes senses.......oh wait did we see red uses it.......nope. have we seen how red handles individuals he trying to capture instead of kill? yes we have with Wolverine......wait for it......he never used his life drain. Yes becuase one individual trying to capture someone agaisnt someone trying to kill him is a fair representation of how a fight would go? yea and I am the idiot here 🙄

now by that post i can see that you are too dumb tounderstand how reds powers work, first of all how do you know he didnt use the life drain? do you expect him to shout "i am draining you life now!!!!" every time he does that? it is well knows that when he grabs someone with his coils he drains the life force out of that person

using that drain would be the best way for him to capture creed since it wont kill him but just weaken him and make the fight easier for red and he used that drain but it didnt help him with sabretooth got that moron?

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by buenokid
now by that post i can see that you are too dumb tounderstand how reds powers work, first of all how do you know he didnt use the life drain? do you expect him to shout "i am draining you life now!!!!" every time he does that? it is well knows that when he grabs someone with his coils he drains the life force out of that person

using that drain would be the best way for him to capture creed since it wont kill him but just weaken him and make the fight easier for red and he used that drain but it didnt help him with sabretooth got that moron?


Yes it stated or shown other wises assume it jsut foolishness. But he does not drain everyone he touches with his coil's......for starters he held little children among others with out draining them......such ignorance.

Except he never used it, and it could certainly kill sabre-tooth. Prove that he used it. common lets see the evdience son.

buenokid Restricted

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Yes it stated or shown other wises assume it jsut foolishness. But he does not drain everyone he touches with his coil's......for starters he held little children among others with out draining them......such ignorance.

Except he never used it, and it could certainly kill sabre-tooth. Prove that he used it. common lets see the evdience son.

he always drows the life force with his coils when he fights and grab someone with his coils and it would be the best tactic for him to capture sabretooth

prove it will kill sabretooth, it didnt kill wolverine who is judging by your statement is much much less durable then sabretooth so youare also a hypocrite nice

prove that he didnt use the life drain

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by buenokid
he always drows the life force with his coils when he fights and grab someone with his coils and it would be the best tactic for him to capture sabretooth

prove it will kill sabretooth, it didnt kill wolverine who is judging by your statement is much much less durable then sabretooth so youare also a hypocrite nice

prove that he didnt use the life drain


ecept he doesent, and he been shown not to numerous times......so stop tlaking out your ass. It also be the easiest way to kill him. Prove that he used it common, I love to see you prove it.

Being less durable has nothing to do with life drain, it bypasses ones durability, it be ones healing factor which wolverine is stronger, plus he was/is immortal.

You have to proof he did, you can't proof a negative. If he not shown using it or stated using it why would you assume he was?

brownqk Senior Member

Omega Red wins this 10/10. How do Sabertooth defenders imagine him hurting Omega Red, when Wolverine, who has adamantium, cannot?

Placidity Chief Executive Officer

B-B-But he is more ruthless and stuff.

Battlehammer Senior Member

At least this fight a lot closer then that rediculous spiderman vs omega red thread. Or that batman vs omega red thread, those were just sad.

Placidity Chief Executive Officer
Originally posted by Battlehammer
At least this fight a lot closer then that rediculous spiderman vs omega red thread. Or that batman vs omega red thread, those were just sad.

Not really. Sabretooth's chances are at best as good as Spider-man's. He lasts a little while due to healing factor, but he doesn't take any more wins than Parker would.

Parker likely evade coils for a bit but gets downed by the death spores. Sabretooth on the other hand, ain't dodging the coils and gets strangled while his HF gets screwed by the pheromones and life drain.

Battlehammer Senior Member

Originally posted by Placidity
Not really. Sabretooth's chances are at best as good as Spider-man's. He lasts a little while due to healing factor, but he doesn't take any more wins than Parker would.

Not really, Omega red CIS may cause him not to uses his life drain some of the fights which could give creed the chances to take a few wins. Because he does not always uses his life because sometimes he simply enjoys thrash people, and sabre-tooth is some one he really would like to make suffer.

Originally posted by Placidity
Parker likely evade coils for a bit but gets downed by the death spores.

I don't you understand how fast and effective the pheromones are. Spiderman would not even make it to having evade the coils, he been dropped within seconds from the pheromones.

Originally posted by Placidity
Sabretooth on the other hand, ain't dodging the coils

You do realize that Sabre-tooth is just as fast as spiderman right?

Originally posted by Placidity
and gets strangled while his HF gets screwed by the pheromones and life drain.

Pheromones will do little to sabre-tooth due to his extreme healing factor. However the life drain would certainly take him down, however due to CIS Sabre-tooth could actually luck out and get a 1 to 3 wins, though even with out the life drain OR should be enough to thrash Sabre-tooth.