Originally posted by tkitnacaps career started off as fighting nazi's soldiers a few powered meta's in the 40's he was build for a completely different war and battles... wolverine was build for one specific mission...
What part of Cap hurting Korvac is PIS? Caps has had just as long or longer history of taking on characters that are superior to him also, but people dont want to accept it.It works both ways.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You aren't telling me anything I don't know. I was already taking about stuff like this earlier in this very thread. This is the stuff that tells you Captain America is a top tier MA. He does stuff above the restrictions of his body. Gamora doesn't, which is why I think it is extremely suspect that it is largely assumed that she is the this uber skilled fighter who dwarfs the likes of Captain America, Batman, Daredevil, in fight skill even though she has never done anything even half as impressive as they have, and she is vastly superior physically.
WWait so cap is now a top tier because of the bricks hes stunned.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Anyway Korvac has control over the Power Cosmic, Cap shouldn't be able to do anything to him that Korvac didn't want him to do; hence PIS.
He had turned to his human form when he did it so he wasnt an energy being but was till very tough and durable.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
caps career started off as fighting nazi's soldiers a few powered meta's in the 40's he was build for a completely different war and battles... wolverine was build for one specific mission...
This is why I find you irritating you keep acting like you know what you're talking about and get stuff consistently wrong.
Go read up on Captain America thats a gross oversimplification.
Once again. Someone provide a single healing factor feat that shows Gamora will be able to take the damage Wolverine dishes out and keep fight, a single speed feat that places her above Wolverine (and you'll have to do better than her bum rushing Ronan), and a single skill feat that places her above Wolverine (and you'll need something more definitive than a lame spar with Thanos).
The only thing that can be said definitively based on Gamora's appearances is that she is stronger than Wolverine... and yet this is apparently and open and shut case. How, please someone tell me how Gamora is going to beat Wolverine? She is a melee fighter. She has to get in close with Wolverine and she lacks a healing factor fast enough to compensate for the damage she will take, or enough speed / skill to avoid the damage outright for any sustainable amount of time. No one has anything to say other than "she wins." Tell me why? I've told you why she loses. Either admit the feats that prove she would win don't exist (which I already know they don't), or provide some evidence.
She has less than 200 appearances, you can download and read that in a couple of hours. Stop talking out of your asses, and show some proof. Sheesh
Originally posted by Deadline
WWait so cap is now a top tier because of the bricks hes stunned.
Among other reasons.
Originally posted by Deadline
He had turned to his human form when he did it so he wasnt an energy being but was till very tough and durable.
I thought that was the case but I couldn't remember 100%. He still had the power cosmic though, didn't he?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Among other reasons.
Hmmm well that pretty much indicates that he should eb able to KO Wolverine.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I thought that was the case but I couldn't remember 100%.
He was weaker but still able to kill Wonder Man with his barehands. Its still plausible.
Wasnt she doing just fine against Wolverine before her upgrade? If so, dont you think a person NOW with super human strength would be even faster and a better fighter? I still think that when she destroyed that entire platoon of soldiers (including ripping tanks apart) in something like 8 minutes is way above anything Wolverine could do.
I dont know, this thread seems to be going nowhere because its obvious that putting Wolverine down is out of the realm of possibility to some. nothing I say will convince anybody any otherwise.
I feel that Gamora would win. Thats all.
Originally posted by tkitnawolverine hasnt flipped over a tank but he has taken down a thousand+ man army of trained sin and aim or hydra i cant remember and in other times taken down platoons, private armies in the 100's and even shield agents and taking down apache choppers..
Wasnt she doing just fine against Wolverine before her upgrade? If so, dont you think a person NOW with super human strength would be even faster and a better fighter? I still think that when she destroyed that entire platoon of soldiers (including ripping tanks apart) in something like 8 minutes is way above anything Wolverine could do.I dont know, this thread seems to be going nowhere because its obvious that putting Wolverine down is out of the realm of possibility to some. nothing I say will convince anybody any otherwise.
I feel that Gamora would win. Thats all.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wolverine hasnt flipped over a tank but he has taken down a thousand+ man army of trained sin and aim or hydra i cant remember and in other times taken down platoons, private armies in the 100's and even shield agents and taking down apache choppers..
I'm aware of that, but I dont think in the same fashion. Anyways, I just started looking through some of her respect thread and I really dont know if she had her upgrade or not during her fight with Wolverine. I will say this though, Wolverine got floored with just two hits by the US Agent just to prove that a shield strike could indeed daze him. Since he doesnt need to breathe anymore (sigh), I guess its a moot point though.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hmmm well that pretty much indicates that he should eb able to KO Wolverine.
Not really. The bonus that top tier MA's have when they deal with bricks is that despite the massive power difference, their bodies more less the same so can manipulate pressure points and nerve clusters. Its hard to damage them in the first place, but once you do it has the same effect as it would on a normal human, so in a way Cap is able to almost bypass their durability but Wolverine's durability more or less human (obviously more but close enough to base human for you to get my point), but his healing factor will take care of the damage from the pressure points / nerve cluster attacks near instantaneously.
Unless you want to argue semantics, in which case I'm sure Captain America could KO him, in the same way any damage that would KO or kill normal human should theoretically do the same to Logan... only he has the luxury of recovering in a fraction of a second. I mean, anyone over class 5 strength punching him almost certainly would stop or rupture his heart.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
@ deadline
what did i get wrong? pls tell me...
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
caps career started off as fighting nazi's soldiers a few powered meta's in the 40's he was build for a completely different war and battles...
Originally posted by tkitna
I'm aware of that, but I dont think in the same fashion. Anyways, I just started looking through some of her respect thread and I really dont know if she had her upgrade or not during her fight with Wolverine.
It was after.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not really. The bonus that top tier MA's have when they deal with bricks is that despite the massive power difference, their bodies more less the same so can manipulate pressure points and nerve clusters. Its hard to damage them in the first place, but once you do it has the same effect as it would on a normal human, so in a way Cap is able to almost bypass their durability but Wolverine's durability more or less human (obviously more but close enough to base human for you to get my point), but his healing factor will take care of the damage from the pressure points / nerve cluster attacks near instantaneously.Unless you want to argue semantics, in which case I'm sure Captain America could KO him, in the same way any damage that would KO or kill normal human should theoretically do the same to Logan... only he has the luxury of recovering in a fraction of a second. I mean, anyone over class 5 strength punching him almost certainly would stop or rupture his heart.
You might be right but its kinda speculation. You dont actually know wether a HF is more powerful than extreme duarbility. Some of those bricks had healing factors as well eg Namor, Hulk. Hes already been able to take care of Wolverines HF in origins.
Originally posted by Deadline
You might be right but its kinda speculation, some of those bricks had healing factors as well eg Namor, Hulk. Hes already been able to take care of Wolverines HF in origins.
True, but Namor's is weird and sometimes writers seem to forget Hulk even has a healing factor.
Thats true, but Origins is Daniel Wayverine, I don't like to count him since that entire run is blight on the comic industry.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
True, but Namor's is weird and sometimes writers seem to forget Hulk even has a healing factor.
Um im pretty sure the write knew that Professor Hulk had a HF.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thats true, but Origins is Daniel Wayverine, I don't like to count him since that entire run is blight on the comic industry.🙁
You sound like you're making excuses. Caps Koing Wolverine not easily but he can defintely do it.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
hmmm.. i am sorry, u care to tell me what ws cap build to fight and when he was created b/c i am kinda confused here if cap had a different origin and purpose maybe a retcon?
Find out for yourself smartass. Heres a tip can you say Invaders?
Originally posted by Deadline
See what I mean? Don't like it it was PIS. US Agent is class 10 not as skilled as Cap but is still a martial arts expert plus there are many examples of Wolverine being able to be Koed when hes sneaked up on.
If it doesn't fit with the level Wolverine's healing factor has been displayed the majority of the time, its PIS. My feelings don't factor in one way or another. Its a low ball feat that is inconstant with how Wolverine's healing factor is typically displayed. I mean... just what do you think constitutes PIS, because it doesn't seem like you think anything is PIS? And if thats the case we have problem on our hands because Wolverine can be koed by a deer and yet survive decapitation and nuclear blast.
Originally posted by Deadline
You sound like you're making excuses. Caps Koing Wolverine not easily but he can defintely do it.
I made a thread on here somewhere, where I tried to get a mod ruling that Origins shouldn't be considered cannon on KMC. That should give you some I idea how much I ****ing hate that book. 40 something issues of character assassination. 🙁
i loved the envaders i have some old comics of cap and his team toro human torch and namor and the wizzer i think also liberty woman or whatever her name was i know cap fought some old school metas as well.. ur point?
Cap when he was brought back was a relic and was singled out as the weakest member of the avengers he even had trouble at 1st taking on his very basic enemies from the serpent society and red skull etc etcll periodically.... being kidnapped by guys that even MK and DD would smack around...
he even had to learn new fighting forms when he joined the avengers..
in an old wolverine comic wolverine had to save captain america from a handful of ninjas b/c he was still green as a hero soldier..