Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If it doesn't fit with the level Wolverine's healing factor has been displayed the majority of the time, its PIS. My feelings don't factor in one way or another. Its a low ball feat that is inconstant with how Wolverine's healing factor is typically displayed.
Yeah your feeling pretty much get into it, don't try and pretend your mister objective because you're not. I already explained why its not a lowball. Verry skilled martial artits can KO Wolverine but US Agents lack of skill is compensated by his class 10 strength and highly durable object. Also when opponents aren't aware they tend to be Koed more easily.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I mean... just what do you think constitutes PIS, because it doesn't seem like you think anything is PIS? And if thats the case we have problem on our hands because Wolverine can be koed by a deer and yet survive decapitation and nuclear blast.
You have to look at the charactres history and come to an average eg a Deer is obvoulsy PIS.
Originally posted by srankmissingninsince agent did it first, it's PIS that hulk took more hits to do it you mean right? at least from a logic standpoint.
Since apparently its incredibly confusing to you. If WWH Hulk can't KO Wolverine with a series of hay-makers (although he did **** him up), then an that an example of USAgent knocking Wolverine out is PIS. Not really sure what the difficulty is figure it out....
though agent hit him in the brain stem like twice.
Originally posted by tkitnathen you read what reed said to thing it wouldnt have bn possible if logan wasnt already weaken from his earlier fight and reed said he doubts that thing could do that to him in his healthy state..
The Thing knocked him out by just hitting him on top of the head. Is that PIS too?
sigh... pls start readingthe damn comics instead of looking at the scans that are to lowball logan with out of context feats for a character..
just like ur Us agent reference Wonderman had pounded on logan seconds b4 us agent showed..
The only point i'm trying to make is that PIS works both ways too. I feel its more likely to be PIS when Wolverine actually takes these class 100 types of shots rather than getting knocked out by flying debris and stuff like that.
Also, it could all depend on where he gets tagged and how ready his is and so forth. I dont feel its out of the realm of possibilty for the Agent to put him down like he did.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yeah your feeling pretty much get into it, don't try and pretend your mister objective because you're not. I already explained why its not a lowball. Verry skilled martial artits can KO Wolverine but US Agents lack of skill is compensated by his class 10 strength and highly durable object. Also when opponents aren't aware they tend to be Koed more easily.You have to look at the charactres history and come to an average eg a Deer is obvoulsy PIS.
But a very skilled martial artist can't realistically KO Wolverine. I'm not sure how you don't see how everything you just said should be group together with the deer example. Lowball feats that are out of line with the vast majority of Wolverine's feats. Do you honestly, truly believe that Wolverine gets taken down by MAs even a tenth of the amount of time he shrugs of blows from Class 100s? Its not even close.
[QUOTE=12598604]Originally posted by tkitna
The only point i'm trying to make is that PIS works both ways too. I feel its more likely to be PIS when Wolverine actually takes these class 100 types of shots rather than getting knocked out by flying debris and stuff like that.
Also, it could all depend on where he gets tagged and how ready his is and so forth. I dont feel its out of the realm of possibilty for the Agent to put him down like he did. [/QUOTEhow many wolverine comics have you read?
you seriously think what logan was design to do and has bn doing repeatedly for decades is PIS?!!!
and logan being ko'ed a handful of times compared to the mountain of time he hasnt bn isnt?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh... pls start readingthe damn comics instead of looking at the scans that arent to lowball logan with out of context feats for a character..
Dont get your knickers in an uproar. I'm well aware of the circumstances at that time. I only mentioned it to get a rise out of somebody and it obviously worked.
I wont even mention Wolverine stating that Gamoras healing factor was on par with his own. That makes this battle even more lopsided in favor of Gamora.
Originally posted by tkitnayou just admitted to baiting and trolling something this site frowns upon... reported.
Dont get your knickers in an uproar. I'm well aware of the circumstances at that time. I only mentioned it to get a rise out of somebody and it obviously worked.I wont even mention Wolverine stating that Gamoras healing factor was on par with his own. That makes this battle even more lopsided in favor of Gamora.
Originally posted by tkitna
The only point i'm trying to make is that PIS works both ways too. I feel its more likely to be PIS when Wolverine actually takes these class 100 types of shots rather than getting knocked out by flying debris and stuff like that.
Yes but thats your opinion purely because you want to make a case that Captain America can beat Wolverine.
When Wolverine first joined the X-Men Colossus hit him full force and didn't phase him, he took a direct attack from Kierrok (who layed out Colossus) and was fine, Guardian showed up and punched him miles away without koing him, he even got blasted by Firelord and was fine. Ever since it was established that Wolverine's mutant power was in fact a healing factor he has been taking absurd amount of damage from the most power characters in Marvel. Why on Earth would you think its PIS that Wolverine isn't get getting koed by Class 100? Thats what he has been doing since day one. I mean he's fought the Hulk alone more than he has fought every street level MA he has ever fought combined, and its not like the Hulk is the only brick he slugs it out with. I just don't understand where you are coming from...
Originally posted by srankmissingninhe admitted to baiting and trolling which is why he keeps bringing up the same pis argument that i am tired of.. ignore him i am putting him on the ignore list
Yes but thats your opinion purely because you want to make a case that Captain America can beat Wolverine.When Wolverine first joined the X-Men Colossus hit him full force and didn't phase him, he took a direct attack from Kierrok (who layed out Colossus) and was fine, Guardian showed up and punched him miles away without koing him, he even got blasted by Firelord and was fine. Ever since it was established that Wolverine's mutant power was in fact a healing factor he has been taking absurd amount of damage from the most power characters in Marvel. Why on Earth would you think its PIS that Wolverine isn't get getting koed by Class 100? Thats what he has been doing since day one. I mean he's fought the Hulk alone more than he has fought every street level MA he has ever fought combined, and its not like the Hulk is the only brick he slugs it out with. I just don't understand where you are coming from...
Originally posted by tkitna
Dont get your knickers in an uproar. I'm well aware of the circumstances at that time. I only mentioned it to get a rise out of somebody and it obviously worked.I wont even mention Wolverine stating that Gamoras healing factor was on par with his own. That makes this battle even more lopsided in favor of Gamora.
Already been covered.
Wolverine stabbed Gamora in the gut. She got koed. Obviously she healed from it, but she can't heal fast enough to take puncture wound to the gut and keep fighting. This means she heals no where near as fast as Wolverine. If Wolverine lands good blow on Gamora he can end the fight instantly. She can't do the same. Wolverine isn't going to even be phased by getting stabbed in the stomach.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes but thats your opinion purely because you want to make a case that Captain America can beat Wolverine.When Wolverine first joined the X-Men Colossus hit him full force and didn't phase him, he took a direct attack from Kierrok (who layed out Colossus) and was fine, Guardian showed up and punched him miles away without koing him, he even got blasted by Firelord and was fine. Ever since it was established that Wolverine's mutant power was in fact a healing factor he has been taking absurd amount of damage from the most power characters in Marvel. Why on Earth would you think its PIS that Wolverine isn't get getting koed by Class 100? Thats what he has been doing since day one. I mean he's fought the Hulk alone more than he has fought every street level MA he has ever fought combined, and its not like the Hulk is the only brick he slugs it out with. I just don't understand where you are coming from...
I coming from the standpoint that I think its silly to have a street leveler hanging or survivng a class 100 character. Any of them should be able to be his brain to mush within minutes or just throw in across the state, BUT I realize the company has him written that way because it fills the egos of all the fanboys and their pockets in return. Its just unbelievable and it doesnt sit right with me, but its my issue and i'll get over it.
Anyways, have a good one and been fun chatting with you.
Gamora wins. 😂
Originally posted by tkitna... 😐
This is what should be happening. (Notice the last panel)http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6695/wolverine47010gs0.jpg
Wolverine just had his head almost sawed off moments before that.. he was bleeding out the Carotid arteries all over the floor and likely lost nearly all the blood in his body... 😕
Being taken out by a couple Sentry body slams after that and having his claws crushed into his hands is really nothing to be ashamed of there...
Originally posted by tkitnaWell if he wa just trying to rob Logan of oxygen for the KO he wouldn't likely succeed... Logan can survive for plenty of time without air.... But that's not how choke's KO people... 😬
So Captain America (who has dazed class 100 heros numerous times with his sheild and technique) wouldnt be able to knock Wolverine for a loop even for a few seconds that it would take him to grapple him into a choke hold and then apply enough constant pressure to relieve all of the air in Wolverines lungs for a KO. Thats just impossible for Cap? Why? Would Captian America be to weak to apply a choke hold long enough for the air to escape Wolverines lungs just long enough for him to be knocked out? Sorry, I cant buy that.
Originally posted by tkitna
I'm aware of that, but I dont think in the same fashion. Anyways, I just started looking through some of her respect thread and I really dont know if she had her upgrade or not during her fight with Wolverine. I will say this though, Wolverine got floored with just two hits by the US Agent just to prove that a shield strike could indeed daze him. Since he doesnt need to breathe anymore (sigh), I guess its a moot point though.
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*sigh*
Wolverine among others was fighting the entire afternoon against multiple opponents already... got sneak attacked by Wonderman minutes before US agent hit him maybe less... It wasn't just the shield strikes that put him out... and that was Classic Wolves.. 😬
Originally posted by Deadline
You might be right but its kinda speculation. You dont actually know wether a HF is more powerful than extreme duarbility. Some of those bricks had healing factors as well eg Namor, Hulk. Hes already been able to take care of Wolverines HF in origins.
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You mean when Wolverine's healing factor was practically non existant? Is that the reference you're making now?
I mean I know how you guys like to ignore that on panel point but.....
