Originally posted by srankmissingninthe hulk you were bringing up was world war hulk and saying it wasnt PIS, so for it to not be PIS it must have been done consistently, so what other times does wolverine have in which he stood up to those types of strikes without being put down, this should outnumber the time's he's been put down by characters in the 5-ton and less range.
You didn't say WWH you said "logan has been knocked out more consistently by character who don't have hulk strength than he has remained conscious from strikes at hulks strength."
Originally posted by Wild Shadoweven if logan has shown resistance to these attacks initially, if it's one thing that's been made apparent it's that after an extended fight it doesn't require super strength to defeat wolverine, romulus did it by throwing it a sword into his head ad then there's him being knocked about by US Agent with a head strike, after an extended fight with gamora, it is conceivable that she could eventually KO with a well placed blow.
not sure she might have beaten ronin but, i cant remember...also to Dmill
you really think a knife stab to the gut is going to stop logan even id she twist it?
Originally posted by Trackz
the hulk you were bringing up was world war hulk and saying it wasnt PIS, so for it to not be PIS it must have been done consistently, so what other times does wolverine have in which he stood up to those types of strikes without being put down, this should outnumber the time's he's been put down by characters in the 5-ton and less range.
Sooooooo... you'd like to view Wolverine vs. WWHulk in a vacuum, as isolated incident, ignoring all the examples of Wolverine shrugging off Class 100 blows and completely remove it from the context of Wolverine's history, except to compare it to low ball PIS examples of him going down to Class 5'ers? Is that what you are saying?
We aren't going to ignore every healing / durability feat Wolverine has slightly below the WWH one, for the sake of your argument and view the feat in the bubble. Examples of Wolverine going down to Class 5 characters, need to go up against all of Wolverine's healing and durability feats below the WWH before the can move up the ladder and challenge it. Which is something they can't do, because they are in the vast minority.
BTW Red Hulk.
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Originally posted by Trackz
even if logan has shown resistance to these attacks initially, if it's one thing that's been made apparent it's that after an extended fight it doesn't require super strength to defeat wolverine, romulus did it by throwing it a sword into his head ad then there's him being knocked about by US Agent with a head strike, after an extended fight with gamora, it is conceivable that she could eventually KO with a well placed blow.
And Thanos was arrested by the Police! 😱
Any more pointless PIS examples you'd like to site as evidence? Might as well get them out of the way now.
Originally posted by Trackz
even if logan has shown resistance to these attacks initially, if it's one thing that's been made apparent it's that after an extended fight it doesn't require super strength to defeat wolverine, romulus did it by throwing it a sword into his head ad then there's him being knocked about by US Agent with a head strike, after an extended fight with gamora, it is conceivable that she could eventually KO with a well placed blow.
so you think wolverine being put down by a thrown sword handle that is wooden lager with rope rapping is a likely and possible way of putting him down? you didnt find that moment the least odd?
see srank this is why i stop buying wolverine comics and stop supporting marvel, this sh$@ is becoming more and more prevalent
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so you think wolverine being put down by a thrown sword handle that is wooden lager with rope rapping is a likely and possible way of putting him down? you didnt find that moment the least odd?see srank this is why i stop buying wolverine comics and stop supporting marvel, this sh$@ is becoming more and more prevalent
It's Wayverine, so its not a big deal. Nothing thats happened in Origins is the building blocks for a coherent argument against Wolverine. The whole run is trash. Even worse than Hama's Batman.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I.e., any comic that portrays Wolverine as not being as good as I so desperately want him to be doesn't count.
your telling me you think a wooden sword handle rapped in rope is a none PIS moment?
lets look at it like this then..
wolverine has allowed himself to be beat with a metal pipe it rapped bent around his skull.. he looked at the guy and told him that actually hurt he grabbed the pipe and rapped it around his neck...
so which is the pis moment the metal pipe moment occurred over 20 yrs ago so that came 1st..
Originally posted by tkitna
Did well against Thanos, Power Gem Drax, Maxim, and dropped the Thing with a nerve strike once. I'm sures there more.just looked in her respect thread. She's knocked She-hulk out, beat on rogue, fought Ronan to the very end, and has a few more.
Thanos was a sparring match, you think she would do as well in a straight confrontation?
Maxim, like Srank said was a bit of a mook. The guy was scared to fight a Sasquatch who thought he was weaker than Thing.
Wolverine's beat Hulk, Rogue, one shot thing. I really fail to see at what point you think she's more impressive.
Originally posted by Black bolt zWhy would he have to do that? It'd be rather odd since it's not the argument that Srank made. The argument is that Gamora, regardless if she's stronger or faster than Wolverine is not fast enough to negotiate Wolverine's attacks indefinitely and doesn't have the ability to shrugg his attacks off while in spite of her strength Wolverine CAN stand up to hers.... Skill really isn't the deciding factor here since there isn't a large enough gap for skill to matter.... But lets be honest.. if it comes down to a skill-off... Wolverine has a LOT more evidence to draw from.
Srank I have read all your posts on your thread and i have to compliment you on your fanboy knowledge.You call all of wolverines low showings PIS and all of the other characters that have beaten him high showings PIS.Prove that Wolverine is faster,stronger and more skilled then gamora.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Post a scan of wolverine lifting a tank(i would post one of gamora but idk how to post a scan).Also is there any particular reason you disregard the fight between then and gamora.Has wolverine ever beat then?To my knowledge he hasn't.It was stated that at that point gamora and thanos were at least trying to KO if not kill thanos.
Originally posted by Black bolt z😂
Your argument about cap not being able to but down wolverine is bull.US Agent who is less skilled and not as strong as cap put down wolverine by knocking him in the stem of the spine is proof of that.And if he can do that then gamora who specializes in that type of fighting can take down wolverine with one good shot as well as wolverine can to her.Wolverine himself said that her HF is as good as his.AND wolverine was only able to stab her because she was distracted.
You think US Agent isn't as strong as Cap? Are you unaware that Agent can lift 10 tons minimum? You think Cap is stronger than a 10 tonner? 😂
And again.. for the thousandth time, Wolverine had just taken a massive beating from Wonderman... and this was Classic Wolverine.. with a healing factor that was a hundred times slower than it is today.
If she specializes in the kind of fight where her opponent is completely tied up fighting someone else or capitalizing on a wounded fight then sure..you may have a point.
And frankly.. Wolverine's statement was hyperbole. Wolverine has been able to take WAY worse punishment than a gut check and keep fighting.. one shot and he put her lights out... He was being very generous there.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
You can't disregard all this knowledge that other people are putting up when your argument is that he is faster(false)stronger(possibly true)and more skilled(false) then gamora.You can't say "he loses because i like him more because he is better".[sarcastic]Nice argument![sarcastic].
Considering that's not his argument.... 😕
Originally posted by dmills
With all that in mind I think it's safe to say it varies by the level of trama inflicted. A fried arm might take a few minutes, an fried body, a missing eye etc. could take much longer.
Could? But it hasn't....
Not when his Healing factor is operating at it's peak...
Wolverine's HF has to operate at it's peak as per forum rules lest the thread otherwise state that it isn't... It doesn't state that it isn't...
So far Wolverine's high speed regeneration has had him regrow from a skeleton several times in literally just under or over a minute or two.
He's had his heart regrown in several panels after 5 sentences of back and forth.
Has him heal every organ which has been liquified or smashed to jelly by a Hulk punch before the next punch lands...
He's walked through having his heart stabbed, throat cut, and been disembowled only to keep fighting his opponent into the ground.
Good lord even his classic HF had him walking around a nuclear reactor that was melting down metal all around him.
.......... That's the whole point Srank and the others are trying to make here with the PIS deal.
Everyone WISHES Wolverine's HF didn't operate at its peak in forum fights and so they spread around propaganda and pretend their little misconceptions have merit and then proceed to give people the edge against Logan who had no business fighting him nevermind beating him. The only evidence for that kind of nonsense however is either littered in his classic representation (and even then that's argueable) or in feats that are completely SWAMPED by circumstances due to the plot.... There are of course sheer PIS examples used to move the plot along... Like Wolverine getting KOed by a rock. But Wolverines typical representation and his powers operating at peak effeciency mean that he can heal very very very fast... literally dozens of multiples faster than Gamora.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I.e., any comic that portrays Wolverine as not being as good as I so desperately want him to be doesn't count.
Any comic that displays Wolverine different that how he is displayed - be it higher or lower - is PIS. That's just how it is. You are like some some noob citing examples of Superman struggling to lift the Daily Planet Globe, or going down to electricity from power lines, and then bitching when I tell you it doesn't count because its PIS. Stuff citing blatant examples of PIS if you don't want to get called on it. Its a simple enough solution.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0so you think in the last ten yrs of writing occurring in his comic titles with a few but more occurring poor moments are now consistent b/c he is being written by writers who few him as a lower powered skilled street lvler then he once was and was wriitten as for over 30 yrs?
^ You know what's not PIS? Every single comic of Wolverine's current main title.
how would you feel if spiderman's spider sense stop working to the point that he starts getting hit more and frequently by random muggers, bank robbers and starts tripping and not have the speed to completely outclass them? would that not bother you?
what if spider man starts getting hurt by those same guys with nothing but a pucnh kick to the chin or stomach.. what if the garth ennis depiction of spiderman was a constant representation of spiderman in all his appearances would that not bother you, or would say simply say that is how he should be written f$##$ his overpowered over hyped 40 50 yr depiction.. that was garbage pis even though it was his creators who made it clear about his power lvls..