Gamora vs. Wolverine

Started by OneDumbG067 pages

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so you think in the last ten yrs of writing occurring in his comic titles with a few but more occurring poor moments are now consistent b/c he is being written by writers who few him as a lower powered skilled street lvler then he once was and was wriitten as for over 30 yrs?

how would you feel if spiderman's spider since stop working to the point that he starts getting hit more and frequently by random mockers, bank robbers and starts tripping and not have the speed to completely outclass them? would that not bother you?

what if spider man starts getting hurt by those same guys with nothing but a pucnh kick to the chin or stomach.. what if the garth ennis depiction of spiderman was a constant representation of spiderman in all his appearances would that not bother you, or would say simply say that is how he should be written f$##$ his overpowered over hyped 40 50 yr depiction.. that was garbage pis even though it was his creators who made it clear about his power lvls..

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Any comic that displays Wolverine different that how he is displayed - be it higher or lower - is PIS. That's just how it is. You are like some some noob citing examples of Superman struggling to lift the Daily Planet Globe, or going down to electricity from power lines, and then bitching when I tell you it doesn't count because its PIS. Stuff citing blatant examples of PIS if you don't want to get called on it. Its a simple enough solution.
Yes, so let's just act like Wolverine's current main title isn't happening. Impressive maneuver.

Wolverine's current main title? Oh, you mean Wolverine: Weapon X by Jason Arron? I don't think anyone has any problems with that title.

^ Wolverine: Origins is his main title. Cry more?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Wolverine: Origins is his main title. Cry more?

The main Wolverine title was adjective-less Wolverine. That title was re-titled Dark Wolverine and Daken became the lead character, so a new title was launched to replace that book. That title was Wolverine: Weapon X. It is the main Wolverine book.

okay lets look at it like this feat for feat how many ppl has gamora faced off and beat? and compare them to logan also factoring the ratio of each of their fights... so lets say gamora has had 10 well known fights with a somebody she wins 7 of them out of ten.. now we would look at logan and compare his track record of over a 100 some documented fights and compare his track record of losses.. 20, 30 losses who would have the best odds overall?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The main Wolverine title was adjective-less Wolverine. That title was re-titled Dark Wolverine and Daken became the lead character, so a new title was launched to replace that book. That title was Wolverine: Weapon X. It is the main Wolverine book.
Wolverine: Weapon X is a tertiary book that so far, has portrayed adventures involving random adamantium men, a trip through an insane asylum, and a one-off love story.

Wolverine: Origins is the primary book which so far, has every single bit of Romulus' plot (Wolverine's nemesis in case you didn't know), has had nearly every one of Wolverine's classic foes appear, introduced the son that usurped his main title and is ramping up for a final showdown to, supposedly, the greatest Wolverine villain ever. But I guess since you pretend it never happened, you wouldn't know of any of these developments over the past 4 years of publishing.

I.e., get over it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine: Weapon X is a tertiary book that so far, has portrayed adventures involving random adamantium men, a trip through an insane asylum, and a one-off love story.

Wolverine: Origins is the primary book which so far, has every single bit of Romulus' plot (Wolverine's nemesis in case you didn't know), has had nearly every one of Wolverine's classic foes appear, introduced the son that usurped his main title and is ramping up for a final showdown to, supposedly, the greatest Wolverine villain ever. But I guess since you pretend it never happened, you wouldn't know of any of these developments over the past 4 years of publishing.

I.e., get over it.

Once again. The main Wolverine title was retitled and replaced with Wolverine: Weapon X. Wolverine: Weapon X is the main Wolverine title, it is a replacement for the previous main Wolverine title. For all intensive purposes the main Wolverine title was relaunched and titled Wolverine: Weapon X. Origins doesn't get bumped up in importance because there happens to be the qualifier of "Weapon X" on the end of the title. Seniority has nothing to do with it either, Origins wasn't the main title before Weapon X launched and it isn't now just because it suits your case. The content of the titles is completely irreverent, but if you'd like to discuss that then tone of Wolverine: Weapon X is very much in line with the intent of the Wolverine's original solo title.

Origins is and always has been a secondary title to run along side the main Wolverine title, it has a set story it wants to tell and then it will be over. Its essentially a mini series stretched into 60 issues, where as the main Wolverine title will continue unto infinity until it is renumbered and relaunched, over and over again.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have a question for you Battlehammer and I know your in love with Wolverine, but try to be honest and sensible here. Do you realize how easy it would be for a a character that is strong enough to lift 100 tons or better to just hold both of Wolverines wrists and beat on him like a slab of meat?

I can give you an answer....
EXTREMELY EASY! 😱 since you know... it happens all the time an' all.

ORRRRRRRRR Not easy... As in: At... All..... 😐

You are of course ignoring the fact that most bricks lack the speed to catch Wolverine, the skill to outclass him in melee combat or the reflexes to deal with his handspeed right?

Because.. on the by enlarge.. all of those statements happen to be fact. It's giving a huge benefit of the doubt to his opponents to say that they can just easily swipe his hands at the wrists.... At the wrists for god sakes... Like he doesn't have Adamantium claws at the end of both hands, as if one slip up on their timing or distance wouldn't result in a loss of hands or fingers... 😐

Of course then we CAN assume that they'll catch Wolverine by the wrists.. but perhaps you can continue to enlighten us as to how they'll proceed to ... "beat Wolverine liks a slab of meat"... since you know going by that scenario they'll likely have they're hands occupied already where as Wolverine still has his feet. An Adamantium kick to the groin, or the femoral artery in the leg... How about an Adamantium headbut... you know the kind that had both Hulk reeling as well as his cousin She-Hulk; oh I'm sure Wolverine's helpless as you see it.

Originally posted by tkitna
What could Wolverine possibly do? Seriously, i'll be generous and say that Wolverine can lift a ton or two and he cant be held down by a character that is 100 times stronger? Thinking otherwise is stupid and ignorant. Wolverine should never beat or even hang with a class 100 character.
Why? Because you say so? Because you think Wolverine is an idiot fighter who's slow or is it because you think every fight he ever has with a brick will always and inevitably come down to a grappling match?

WTF? 🤨 He shouldn't even hang with a brick? Really... I mean I could go into detail about how F.U.B.R. that statement is but considering that you ALSO think Wolverine lifting 1 ton is lending itself to being "generous" I can already tell that's gonna be a big waste of time.

Originally posted by tkitna
As for his first appearance, he was nothing more than an annoyance to the Hulk and he was nothing more than a D-list character that was plugged into a story for God knows why. He got thrown onto the X-Men (again only god knows why) and became one of the first real vigalante type heros that changed the way comics were being portrayed at the time and people jumped on the wagon.

An annoyance? Yeah... because Wolverine's claws weren't written at the time to be capible of cutting through Hulk's skin.. bid deal. If Hulk's skin WAS able to be cut by Logan's claws it would've been a very different story and probably very close to Wendigo's... with Hulk reeling from Wolverine's onslaught and in danger of being KOed.... Speaking of which... is exactly what happened to Wendigo... A Wendigo who was written and stated on panel to be the equal of Hulk, and shown in some cases to be superior.... Wolverine was a D-lister? How can you even begin to suggest that.. It was his first appearance lol ... A D-lister? How about a new arrival who in the first 15 pages of his comic career beat up on a creature that was Hulk's equal in strength and sheer brute physical force. Though I'm sure it all had to do with the wagon people were jumping on after that one page cliffhanger Wolverine showed up in the comic before that. 🙄

Seriously... stay in school.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
okay lets look at it like this feat for feat how many ppl has gamora faced off and beat? and compare them to logan also factoring the ratio of each of their fights... so lets say gamora has had 10 well known fights with a somebody she wins 7 of them out of ten.. now we would look at logan and compare his track record of over a 100 some documented fights and compare his track record of losses.. 20, 30 losses who would have the best odds overall?

There are no Gamora feats to support their opinion. The only they can do is cite examples of Superman being downed my electricity and ***** and moan that it doesn't count.

I think you are forgetting a few things Jinzin. Wolverine isn't even strong. So tell me genius hows he going to win? Use your head for once. He's fought the Hulk about 30 times? Tell me how that even matters 'cause I seen USAgent knock him out one time, so obviously that cancels out those Hulk examples. You stupid or something? Plus, dude doesn't even live in Space! lol whut? I know right? Hows he going to win, seriously?

And he got a ghost skull with phantom pieces that be disappearing.

How is this still going ?, this is spite against Logan.

I personally like Origins mostly... but I don't think there's any doubt that Way IS and well.. really HAS TO take liberties for the sake of the plot... He was supposed to finish this Origins story in 50 books then decided he could/should extend that to 100... probably for a consistent paycheck lol.. and as a result we have tons of issues that are underwritten and littered with things that happen only for the sake of continuing the plot along.. it's the very definition of PIS...

Or is no one else but the Wolverine fanbase finding it odd that the same guy who writes Wolverine to take a beating from Skaar and stay conscious also has him get KOed by a rock to the back of the noggin?

Or taking a massive beating from Victor and getting up in one instance but having him layed out by one punch in another?.....

Way doesn't seem like he can decide on where he wants Wolverine to be portrayed.. simple as.

I mean the guy had an entire arc for the sole purpose of showing us how strong Wolverine's HF was only to display later on that a heart stab could put him to sleep for a few... whatever really.

Originally posted by Nihilist
How is this still going ?, this is spite against Logan.

Incoming shit storm in 3...

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think you are forgetting a few things Jinzin. Wolverine isn't even strong. So tell me genius hows he going to win? Use your head for once. He's fought the Hulk about 30 times? Tell me how that even matters 'cause I seen USAgent knock him out one time, so obviously that cancels out those Hulk examples. You stupid or something? Plus, dude doesn't even live in Space! lol whut? I know right? Hows he going to win, seriously?

And he got a ghost skull with phantom pieces that be disappearing.

Wait he doesn't live in space?!?!? AWWWW SNAP! I've been totally misled!

Originally posted by Nihilist
How is this still going ?, this is spite against Logan.
I don't know, I just don't know.

Originally posted by Nihilist
How is this still going ?, this is spite against Logan.

Because Wolverine has better feats. So while you might think Gamora would win, thats not nearly as important as what would actually happen. Which of course is that Wolverine would take the majority.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because Wolverine has better feats. So while you might [b]think Gamora would win, thats not nearly as important as what would actually happen. Which of course is that Wolverine would take the majority. [/B]
So Wolverine, could of killed Terrax then?, or held his own against Ronan the Accuser in a all out battle.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So Wolverine, could of killed Terrax then?, or held his own against Ronan the Accuser in a all out battle.

If he was fighting a mind controlled Terrax who wanted to die, and Ronan using his powers like an ass hat, like Gamora was, then sure.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If he was fighting a mind controlled Terrax who wanted to die, and Ronan using his powers like an ass hat, like Gamora was, then sure.
He only wanted to die when she had him at her mercy and the mind control did nothing to effect his powers at all.

😂 at Ronan using his power like a ass, thats just a poor excuse from you, Ronan had to bfr her because he couldnt handle her.

sigh.. didnt Us Agent beat the snot out of Ronan?

not saying that it wasnt pis but a clear example of one character being seriously under written either by CIS or just straight out writers intend.

but anyways here is a scan of Wolverine..