Originally posted by Black bolt z
You can't disregard all this knowledge that other people are putting up when your argument is that he is faster(false)stronger(possibly true)and more skilled(false) then gamora.You can't say "he loses because i like him more because he is better".[sarcastic]Nice argument![sarcastic].
Out of any of those,,,we do know that he is not stronger than she is. Gamoras like a class 25 character now.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Where do people find the site that dictates what class they are?
Eh, I dont think its written in stone. Its more like applied. She was destroying tanks so class 20-25 is just an estimate. She might be stronger or a tad weaker, but she definately seems to be in or surpasses Spiderman and he's around class 25 I think.
Gamora has been amped up by Adam Warlock I believe. All her attributes were increased and she has/had a healing factor. I haven't kept up with much since Annihilation and just got back into Realm Of Kings and Guardians Of The Galaxy due to the return of Thanos. I'm not sure if she is still at her peak.
Originally posted by tkitnaWell a guard told another gaurd that she should be upgraded from spider man level to iron man level.So apparently this he is close to iron man level.
Eh, I dont think its written in stone. Its more like applied. She was destroying tanks so class 20-25 is just an estimate. She might be stronger or a tad weaker, but she definately seems to be in or surpasses Spiderman and he's around class 25 I think.
Originally posted by BadabingSo let me gets this strait...thanos has survived being turned to stone,expending all his energy to create a new universe and having his heart ripped out...he's one tough cookie.
Gamora has been amped up by Adam Warlock I believe. All her attributes were increased and she has/had a healing factor. I haven't kept up with much since Annihilation and just got back into Realm Of Kings and Guardians Of The Galaxy due to the return of Thanos. I'm not sure if she is still at her peak.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Well a guard told another gaurd that she should be upgraded from spider man level to iron man level.So apparently this he is close to iron man level.
Yeah, I read that, but I dont think she's bordering on class 100 though. I might be wrong. Hard to tell until we see more I guess.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThat's where I got confused with her power set. I'm under the impression she is still at peak. And the dialogue from the newest Guardians seems to confirm as much.
Well a guard told another gaurd that she should be upgraded from spider man level to iron man level.So apparently this he is close to iron man level.
Originally posted by Starscream MIf she's still at her peak I think she beats Logan. Then again, I'm no Gamora expert.
So you don't believe she can still take Logan?
Originally posted by Black bolt zCocoons ftw!
So let me gets this strait...thanos has survived being turned to stone,expending all his energy to create a new universe and having his heart ripped out...he's one tough cookie.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHere are reason gamora would win.She is faster stronger and more skilled then logan.She has a healing factor as good as his and she was able to take someone like thanos.
Srank I have read all your posts on your thread and i have to compliment you on your fanboy knowledge.You call all of wolverines low showings PIS and all of the other characters that have beaten him high showings PIS.Prove that Wolverine is faster,stronger and more skilled then gamora.Post a scan of wolverine lifting a tank(i would post one of gamora but idk how to post a scan).Also is there any particular reason you disregard the fight between then and gamora.Has wolverine ever beat then?To my knowledge he hasn't.It was stated that at that point gamora and thanos were at least trying to KO if not kill thanos.
Your argument about cap not being able to but down wolverine is bull.US Agent who is less skilled and not as strong as cap put down wolverine by knocking him in the stem of the spine is proof of that.And if he can do that then gamora who specializes in that type of fighting can take down wolverine with one good shot as well as wolverine can to her.Wolverine himself said that her HF is as good as his.AND wolverine was only able to stab her because she was distracted.
You can't disregard all this knowledge that other people are putting up when your argument is that he is faster(false)stronger(possibly true)and more skilled(false) then gamora.You can't say "he loses because i like him more because he is better".[sarcastic]Nice argument![sarcastic].
Originally posted by BadabingHer feats during her current crazy-psycho-b1tch phase are some of the highest in her career. Her capabilities have definitely not diminished.
That's where I got confused with her power set. I'm under the impression she is still at peak. And the dialogue from the newest Guardians seems to confirm as much.If she's still at her peak I think she beats Logan.
Then again, I'm no Gamora expert. Cocoons ftw!
Clearly.
Go with your gut, exacting expertise is unnecessary.
Originally posted by dmills
You know what, I'll say this. Her HF doesn't seem to be at current Wolverines level. It's at his classic levels. I was just reading through GOG when she was burned to a crisp, and it seemed to take her a few hours to fully regenerate. So while he can't keep her down, he can long enough to get a KMC win. This is just one example so it's not gospel by any means. Jinzin, how long does it take current Wolverine to regen from being burned to a crisp?
A few hours? She was a scabby burnt mess for four or five issues after that. Her healing factor isn't a tenth of what Wolverine's is.
Like I've been saying for the entirity of this thread. Gamora doesn't have any feats that support the majority of the assumptions people are making here. She's faster than Wolverine? Bullshit. Here best speed feat is shoulder checking Ronan, and leaving a blur behind her. That's it. I'm not kidding. Anyone want come out and say they think that is better than Wolverine's best speed feats? She's more skilled than Wolverine? Bullshit. Her best skill feat is a spar with Thanos. Who cares? A twelve year old Black Widow beat Wolverine in a spar when he was training her. Batman spars with Wonder Woman. Anyone here think those are even close to accurate representations of how a real fight would go down? The most skilled person Gamora has ever fought is Wolverine, and she didn't win.
Now obviously she is stronger than Wolverine, and I've never suggested other wise. She is Class 75-100, so its not even close between her and Wolverine. I'm fine with that, I don't think her strength plays a significant role in the outcome of this fight, but what I do take objection with is the suggestion that Gamora is faster or more skilled than Wolverine, or that her healing factor is as fast and powerful as his. Theories with no on panel evidence to back them up, and yet somehow are common place. Where are the speed feats that show Gamora is faster than Wolverine? Where are skill feats that show she is better than Wolverine? Where are the healing factor feats that show she can heal as fast as Wolverine? They are no where, because they don't exist.. and that is apparently not a problem for any of you.
Gamora doesn't have any feats that support her winning this fight. Its as simple as that.
Originally posted by Battlehammerlogan has been knocked out more consistently by character who don't have hulk strength than he has remained conscious from strikes at hulks strength.
Not at all if you look at consistent showings and the fact he foguthen Hulk more the any other hero and has foughten and taken hits and kept coming from the who's who of bricks points to US agent knocking out from behind to be utter garbage.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Srank I have read all your posts on your thread and i have to compliment you on your fanboy knowledge.You call all of wolverines low showings PIS and all of the other characters that have beaten him high showings PIS.Prove that Wolverine is faster,stronger and more skilled then gamora.Post a scan of wolverine lifting a tank(i would post one of gamora but idk how to post a scan).Also is there any particular reason you disregard the fight between then and gamora.Has wolverine ever beat then?To my knowledge he hasn't.It was stated that at that point gamora and thanos were at least trying to KO if not kill thanos.
Your argument about cap not being able to but down wolverine is bull.US Agent who is less skilled and not as strong as cap put down wolverine by knocking him in the stem of the spine is proof of that.And if he can do that then gamora who specializes in that type of fighting can take down wolverine with one good shot as well as wolverine can to her.Wolverine himself said that her HF is as good as his.AND wolverine was only able to stab her because she was distracted.
You can't disregard all this knowledge that other people are putting up when your argument is that he is faster(false)stronger(possibly true)and more skilled(false) then gamora.You can't say "he loses because i like him more because he is better".[sarcastic]Nice argument![sarcastic].
Aren't you the guy who didn't even know how current Drax differed from classic Drax? What makes you think your opinion on this fight even remotely matters? You clearly haven't been reading Nova, War of Kings, GoG or even Annihilation for that matter. You don't even have the information you need to make an accurate decision about the outcome of this fight.
USAgent downing Wolverine is PIS. Its not a matter of debate. Why is it PIS? Because it differs drastically from how his durability and damage soak is displayed the vast majority of the time. It's out of line with how Wolverine's healing factor is typically displayed, so what makes you think it is an even remotely valid example? For every one fight like that there are a forty of him shrugging off attacks from bricks.
And for someone who claims to have read my posts, you bring up a lot of things that have already been delt with about a dozen times in course of this thread. So what? You didn't read the thread or the comics? Just what is it you are basing your oppinions on, if you dont mind me asking?