now you have to show those upgrades and prove they completely outclass and overshadow wolverine's feats, skills..
and the godslayer doing what you say it does...
a lot of ppl argued against the muramusa blade the same way we are arguing about the godslayer and yet the muramusa blade has had to prove its power repeatedly so ppl can stop arguing against it.. so again what has the godslayer done on panel?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The case being made for Gamora winning this fight is built entire around four examples, and in each of the four cases the examples are being viewed without any consideration to the context in which the occurred. Of the four feats - even ignoring the context the way you guys are presenting them - only one of them is potentially more impressive than Wolverine's best feats... but hey, we are ignoring context here and talking out of our asses in support of Gamora, why not do the same for Wolverine? Lets completely ignore the context behind examples! Hurray! Gamora, briefly stalemated Thanos? Well Wolverine has done the same with Dark Pheonix. ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!There are no feats that show Gamora being faster than Wolverine.
There are no feats that show Gamora being more skilled than Wolverine.
There are no feats that show Gamora can heal fast enough to take the damage Wolverine dishes out and still keep fighting.
There are no feats that show that Gamora has the ability to win this fight.
I don't know man it looks like you're just ignoring what people tell you on a regular basis.
Gamora's fight with Ronan should be enough proof of her physical stats upgrade. To enumerate her feats she:
Stength: Threw Ronan a great distance with one hand.
Speed: Ran thru Ronan with super speed. Fast enough to fling him over with just the air turbulence created by her passing.
Durability: Got dipped in molten hot magma with no damage. Got struck with lightning with no damage.
Again, this is on top of the multitude of feats she had pre-Annihilation where she didn't have these upgrades and was able to take on Class 100s with ease.
Now I can't give feats for the Godslayer as I haven't really seen it strike anyone of note. But no one that has been struck by it has survived.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Gamora's fight with Ronan should be enough proof of her physical stats upgrade. To enumerate her feats she:Stength: Threw Ronan a great distance with one hand.
Speed: Ran thru Ronan with super speed. Fast enough to fling him over with just the air turbulence created by her passing.
Durability: Got dipped in molten hot magma with no damage. Got struck with lightning with no damage.Again, this is on top of the multitude of feats she had pre-Annihilation where she didn't have these upgrades and was able to take on Class 100s with ease.
Now I can't give feats for the Godslayer as I haven't really seen it strike anyone of note. But no one that has been struck by it has survived.
But Wolverine has more feats. 🤪
Originally posted by jinzinFrankly, I don't see how you can be so confident that Gamora and Thanos hit Drax's torso. He's upended head over heels like he got uppercutted in the jaw. And again, it appears that Gamora punched Drax's poor nose, hence the immediate bleeing from his nose in that panel and the next. In either case, this isn't some "3rd party citation" or hearsay. Warlock is there. He knows both Thanos and Gamora. Drax asks if they're just messing around, because it looks like a fight. Warlock uses Socratic questioning to lead Drax to the conclusion, they are not just messing around. Oh, and extra brownie points for relying on the metaphysical fight between Wolverine and Lazaer. Which is about as reliable as Gamora's fight with Drax in Soul World. lulztastic
Gamera's the only one to hit him in the face iirc. when they punch him combined and send him back it's in the torso... If you want to use 3rd party citations without any consideration to the context on panel then I'll just state that Strength made note that Lazaer is the strongest, most skilled opponent Wolverine's EVER faced.. and Wolverine had a 100% winning record against the guy.... Warlock's 3rd party statement for the win then?Again not arguments being made nor suggested here thus irrelivent. Though I wouldn't be surprised if Logan took out Maxam to be honest. Anyways... nice strawman.... a-again.
Yes, Wolverine would take out Maxam who exhibits a fair degree of invulnerability and has stood toe-to-toe with PG Drax. Clearly. Let me guess, it's because Gamora fought him and since you drew the conclusion that Wolverine is Gamora's superior out of your a$$, Maxam must be inferior to Wolverine also. Again... bringing down the likes of Thanos, Drax and Maxam down to Wolverine's level. This isn't a straw-man, it's a distillation of your transparently shallow reasoning, aka using ABC logic to justify your use of ABC logic.
Originally posted by jinzinWhen Ronan exclaimed he was using the upper limits of the Universal Weapon on Gamora, it was in tandem with him putting her into a stasis field and blasting her DIRECTLY. This was BEFORE him manipulating the environment. Christ, this is phailx2. Can you just read the damn fight again before arguing about it with me? I mean, I'm not even patronizing you at all anymore. Reread the fight with Ronan:
Oh you mean when he was bringing down a random firestorm and in no way focusing the complete concentration of his attack on Gamora? Yeah... that's nice..The only comedy I see here is you using the "Upgrade card" when you tried to make a mockery of it earlier.. pretty much shows what kind of hypocrite you are.... Did Gamora's upgrades include a significant increase in skill or speed? No? Then they're pretty much irrelivent to the point being made...
Yes, because Gamora could always shoot energy projections out of her hands... and because Gamora could always speed tackle foes like Ronan and Annihilus' hordes... and because Gamora could always materialize Godslayer into her hands out of thin air... and because Gamora explicitly stating she had a "cosmic makeover"... all this means I am a hypocrite for mentioning that she has had an upgrade since they encountered one another and you're ignoring it. Except. Not. Reread the damn fight with Ronan.
Originally posted by jinzinOh, so since you focus so much on the lack of securing an advantage, you must also recognize that despite Wolverine's clear skill advantage, he didn't secure one either... cause.. yknow..... that's what happened...
Now I can admit that the Gamora Wolverine fight didn't draw to a close but you have to admit that she didn't secure an advantage... cause.. yknow..... that's what happened...anyways..... Like Srank said.... She really lacks the sheer quantifiable feats to put her on Wolverine's level in several areas that she needs to be as good or better to win this fight.
Anyway, this is a running joke of epic proportions. Wolveirne wins because Thanos, PG Drax, Maxam and Ronan are brought down to Wolverine's level. Epic.
I can't believe you guys are still trying to say that Ronan was fighting to the best of his abilities. Do you have any idea who Ronan is? Do you have any idea what he is capable of? You don't even need to read any of his other appearances (since I'm sure that is waaaaaaaaaaay to much to ask in any of your cases), just read the two issues in that mini series from before he fought Gamora.
Its even evident in the scan you posted that Ronan wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities. The very moment he did something mildly creative instead of energy blasts and meleeing, Gamora was locked in a stasis field unable to move... and then he let her out for some reason off panel. Ronan can fly. Ronan can control gravity. He can create forces fields. He only used his powers twice - briefly - and went back into melee some more. The suggestion that he was going all out is absurd. Its ridiculous. If he was going all out he would have kept her inside that stasis field. He would have disabled her gravity. He would have sat in side of a force field while he blasted her. He would have gone invisible. He would have flown. How can you look at a fight where Ronan doesn't use any of his abilities, fights in melee like a jackass and say "wow Gamora can fight Ronan at his very absolute best!" Nothing Ronan did in that fight would have put Wolverine down either.
Ronan did not use his powers effectively in that fight. If he had he would have won instantly. Its not a mater of debate, go and look at what he is capable of doing.
Shoulder checking Ronan is NOT a speed feat, and certainly not a speed feat of Wolverine's caliber.
You talk as if every character in every comic ALWAYS fights to the full potential and use the full range of their abilities. I mean, damn do you read comics at all?
You read Wolverine comics. You think ALL his opponents fought to the full potential of their abilities???
I can actually say that Ronan used more abilities in this one fight than he did in most of the Annihilation arc.
Also, you mention how impressive Ronan is. Well, the writer evidently wanted to portray Gamora as being able to not just go toe-to-toe with Ronan, but it appears that she was threatening to defeat him in this fight. If it wasn't for a plot device, he would have lost (she had her blade to his throat before he used his Universal Weapon to manipulate the molecules of the Godslayer, causing a massive feedback).
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[b]Shoulder checking Ronan is NOT a speed feat, and certainly not a speed feat of Wolverine's caliber. [/B]
There was never an indication of impact in this panel. It was more indicative of a speed-pass that created the wake needed to fling Ronan aside. Or is "WHOOSH!!" the sound of someone shoulder checking to you?
But of course, in your desperation, I am not surprised that you seek to downplay this feat...
I dunno its like DumbGo is holding back.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You talk as if every character in every comic ALWAYS fights to the full potential and use the full range of their abilities. I mean, damn do you read comics at all?You read Wolverine comics. You think ALL his opponents fought to the full potential of their abilities???
I can actually say that Ronan used more abilities in this one fight than he did in most of the Annihilation arc.
Also, you mention how impressive Ronan is. Well, the writer evidently wanted to portray Gamora as being able to not just go toe-to-toe with Ronan, but it appears that she was threatening to defeat him in this fight. If it wasn't for a plot device, he would have lost (she had her blade to his throat before he used his Universal Weapon to manipulate the molecules of the Godslayer, causing a massive feedback).
There was never an indication of impact in this panel. It was more indicative of a speed-pass that created the wake needed to fling Ronan aside. Or is "WHOOSH!!" the sound of someone shoulder checking to you?
But of course, in your desperation, I am not surprised that you seek to downplay this feat...
I don't usually agree with Dude but....OWNED!
Originally posted by srankmissingninTranslation: I am trying to project my compulsions onto other people.
Translation: Sranks right, I'll need to wait until that post is bumped off the page until I can start pretending Gamora vs Ronan is relevant again.
Originally posted by DeadlineNot holding back anything. Just amused that people look at Gamora's fights (or at least claim to have looked at them) and suggest street-levelers like Daredevil could do those things.
I dunno its like DumbGo is holding back.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I can't believe you guys are still trying to say that Ronan was fighting to the best of his abilities. Do you have any idea who Ronan is? Do you have any idea what he is capable of? You don't even need to read any of his other appearances (since I'm sure that is waaaaaaaaaaay to much to ask in any of your cases), just read the two issues in that mini series from before he fought Gamora.
You seem to know a lot about the character. Dont you think its pretty impressive that regardless of all his other showings, he decided to use the UPPER level of his universal weapon against Gamora. Not Captain Marvel, not the Fantastic Four, not the Shiar, but Gamora. Hmph. I wonder why that is.
Clearly he would have had to use the extreme upper limits of his weapon against Wolverine too. 🙄
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You talk as if every character in every comic ALWAYS fights to the full potential and use the full range of their abilities. I mean, damn do you read comics at all?You read Wolverine comics. You think ALL his opponents fought to the full potential of their abilities???
I can actually say that Ronan used more abilities in this one fight than he did in most of the Annihilation arc.
Also, you mention how impressive Ronan is. Well, the writer evidently wanted to portray Gamora as being able to not just go toe-to-toe with Ronan, but it appears that she was threatening to defeat him in this fight. If it wasn't for a plot device, he would have lost (she had her blade to his throat before he used his Universal Weapon to manipulate the molecules of the Godslayer, causing a massive feedback).
There was never an indication of impact in this panel. It was more indicative of a speed-pass that created the wake needed to fling Ronan aside. Or is "WHOOSH!!" the sound of someone shoulder checking to you?
But of course, in your desperation, I am not surprised that you seek to downplay this feat...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Which is why we have forum rules. You should read them. On KMC characters fight to the best of their abilities. Ronan wasn't fighting to the best of his abilities, he was written down in order for Gamora to stand a chance and advance the plot. So the fight doesn't hold much water. It certainly suggest that Gamora could compete with Ronan in a melee slugfest. Big deal. I would have told you that before they fought. It doesn't how ever, suggest that she has any shot of beating Ronan if he was fighting at his peak capabilities.
Seriously, you are using the sound effect made in an attempt to validate your argument? Seriously? No... seriously? Grasbing at straws much? Oh and BTW, you didn't even get the sound effect right. It is WHOOOM, which if we are going to go so low as to use sound effects in attempt to validate our opinions, is a combination of whooosh (which is a whoshing sound) and boom (which is a impact sound). She was like three feet away from Ronan in the panel before she shoulder checked him, then in between that panel and the next she landed on the ground and shoulder checked him. Where is the speed feat? No where? Yeah, I know,