Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
Hard to tell if that energy was coming from Gamora or Ronan and if it was coming from Gam is sure as hell didn't do anything...

First of all who says that's a full power blast? Second of all, Wolverine's stood up to blasts from friggin Firelord BEFORE he had a healing factor.. and multishots from wwh. so wrong there.

On the first part, when Ronan said, and did this. On the second part, Wolverine would have been knocked out by a full power blast of the Universal Weapon:

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's already done a mirror speed feat to Gamora's and has superior feats on top of that... and Gamora was immediately caught when she shoulder checked him. How's that impressive?

Godslayer is inconsequential as all she manages was one parry before the fight was over. Wolverine did the same thing with his claws to mjolnir.. yeah you could easily switch them out for the most part... It's not a feat that seperates her into a different clas from Wolverine.

Godslayer's presence caused Ronan to attempt a disruption of it. But due to its unique and powerful nature, the disruption of Godslayer's energies caused a catastrophic feedback that ended the fight and knocked them both out causing the stalemate. I wouldn't characterize that as inconsequential. Wolverine isn't interchangeable on several levels here. I disagree. Respectfully.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gamora's energy is dark blue. Ronan's energy is light teal. Glorian refers to both their energies. I don't see any support for the notion that Gamora's energies were inconsequential.

On the first part, when Ronan said, and did this. On the second part, Wolverine would have been knocked out by a full power blast of the Universal Weapon:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You have a Wolveirne feat that mirrors Gamora zooming into a high-tier opponent like Ronan and shouldering him with a large "WHOOOM!" do you? I'd be happy to see it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Godslayer's presence caused Ronan to attempt a disruption of it. But due to its unique and powerful nature, the disruption of Godslayer's energies caused a catastrophic feedback that ended the fight and knocked them both out causing the stalemate. I wouldn't characterize that as inconsequential. Wolverine isn't interchangeable on several levels here. I disagree. Respectfully.

Let me see if I can get this right?

ODG think wolverine>gamora
but gamora do better against ronan that wolverine.That doesn't make much sense but then again...
If A beats B and B beats C that doesn't mean A beats C.

^ Ahem. I definitely don't think that. You mixed me and him up.

Originally posted by jinzin
The only time where one could argue she let loose with a blast, it did absolutely nothing as Ronan stood there and took it..
There's no reason why Wolverine would go down to that given what he's already fair against. He took a Thor blast for god sakes..

how about running around so fast people started having severed limbs without a clue as to why.
Wolverine's already shown that speed dash stuff in mcp.

The only levels I see would be durability to lava, strength, and arguable one for dues ex.

So Wolverine isn't slamming into Ronan and sending him into the air with a "WHOOOM!" Ok.

In addition to durability to lava, and superior strength... Gamora also adds superior durability to tank a full power Universal Weapon blast, the ability to project energy blasts, the ability to transmute a Godslayer into her hands that causes the catastrophic energy feedback that leads to stalemate, and the ability to ooze out waves of energy in tandem with Ronan to empower Glorian. All of which permits her to equally match Ronan. And Wolverine doesn't.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Ahem. I definitely don't think that. You mixed me and him up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Ahem. I definitely don't think that. You mixed me and him up. Lightning strike? And you're automatically assuming that a single lightning bolt is as good as a full power Universal Weapon blast that hit her squarely? Eric Masterson struggled to resist a non full-power Universal Weapon Blast with Mjolnir.

So Wolverine isn't slamming into Ronan and sending him into the air with a "WHOOOM!" Ok.

In addition to durability to lava, and superior strength... Gamora also adds superior durability to tank a full power Universal Weapon blast, the ability to project energy blasts, the ability to transmute a Godslayer into her hands that causes the catastrophic energy feedback that leads to stalemate, and the ability to ooze out waves of energy in tandem with Ronan to empower Glorian. All of which permits her to equally match Ronan. And Wolverine doesn't.

and multiple bricks got one two and three shotted by WWH ... Wolverine didn't.

And maybe my assumption is a quick conclusion but when you have the weapons energy being syphoned and the fact that the attack in that particular panel isn't very impressive to begin with it's hard to view it as the full power of what that weapon can do.

No he just runs by invisably as he cuts into him.

in no way has Gamora proven a superior durability to Logan in terms of sheer Damage soak.

Again aside from strength, durability to Lava, and dues ex they're interchangeable.

^ Deflection from originally suggesting single lightning strike = fullpower Universal Weapon blast.

Glorian's absorbing the fallout of their energies. He didn't absorb their energies directly.

So not at all what Gamora did.

Durability =/= damage soak. Durability = durability. Gamora's > Wolverine's.

Not really. For the reasons given above. We can agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Then what do you think about wolverine vs. ronan against gamora vs. Ronan?It sounded like you said you thought gamora would do better.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deflection from originally suggesting single lightning strike = fullpower Universal Weapon blast.

Glorian's absorbing the fallout of their energies. He didn't absorb their energies directly.

So not at all what Gamora did.

Durability =/= damage soak. Durability = durability. Gamora's > Wolverine's.

Not really. For the reasons given above. We can agree to disagree. Gamora would do better against Ronan than Wolverine would. And Gamora equally matching Ronan is a clear indication of her current levels and abilities. And those current levels and abilities and her overall character history together lead her to victory against Wolverine in a fight. That's my overall position.

I acctually think wolverine would do better against ronan but gamora would beat wolverine in a fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Deflection from originally suggesting single lightning strike = fullpower Universal Weapon blast.

Glorian's absorbing the fallout of their energies. He didn't absorb their energies directly.

So not at all what Gamora did.

Durability =/= damage soak. Durability = durability. Gamora's > Wolverine's.

Ronan's claim to be using the upper limits of his weapon isn't supported by the fighting he actually did so I gotta go with Srank on that one.

I know, what gamora did was less impressive.

Wolverine's damage soak> Gamora's.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wasn't meant to be.. I just find it difficult to believe that you think Gamora can take more damage than Wolverine can considering his history of doing just that from as high calibur opponents.

Ronan's claim to be using the upper limits of his weapon isn't supported by the fighting he actually did so I gotta go with Srank on that one.

I know, what gamora did was less impressive.

Wolverine's damage soak> Gamora's.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gamora>Wolverine in Durability but wolverine has the healing factor.Thats why he doesn't go down easy.

Originally posted by jinzin
I agree. though his bones are obviously more durable than she is.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Gamora>Wolverine in Durability but wolverine has the healing factor.Thats why he doesn't go down easy.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wasn't meant to be.. I just find it difficult to believe that you think Gamora can take more damage than Wolverine can considering his history of doing just that from as high calibur opponents.

Ronan's claim to be using the upper limits of his weapon isn't supported by the fighting he actually did so I gotta go with Srank on that one.

I know, what gamora did was less impressive.

Wolverine's damage soak> Gamora's.

Assuming your conclusion because you don't like the plain presentation of the panels. Funny how you rely on certain characters' statements and not others'. Ronan had a motivation to lie now?

In your mind. And nevertheless it didn't mirror what Gamora did at all. So your initial statement remains unsupported.

Gamora's durability > Wolverine's durability. Apples and oranges.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine doesn't go down easy. K. Damage soak =/= durability. Durability = measuring how much damage will be affected by a harmful action. That initial damage may be healed by healing factors, but healing factors =/= durability. It's more an issue of stamina. Gamora's durability > Wolverine's durability.

Assuming your conclusion because you don't like the plain presentation of the panels. Funny how you rely on certain characters' statements and not others'. Ronan had a motivation to lie now?

In your mind. And nevertheless it didn't mirror what Gamora did at all. So your initial statement remains unsupported.

Gamora's durability > Wolverine's durability. Apples and oranges.

If it's an issue of stamina Wolverine wins... Wolverine's damage soak> Gamora's
Wolverine's Stamina>Gamora's.

I don't think he had a motivation to lie he simply wasn't making the best use of his weapon in that fight...

Or on panel, looking really fast< bring completely invisable due to speed.

^ We're talking durability. I always have. Deflecting towards something different doesn't change that Gamora's durability > Wolverine's durability.

Because Gamora wasn't immediately wtfpwned or something similar? Assuming your conclusion doesn't serve as sufficient support for your conclusion. Your disbelief in Ronan's statements are categorically assumptive.

Deflection. You said you had something that mirrored Gamora's feat. So your initial statement is unsupported. That's all.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Assuming your conclusion because you don't like the plain presentation of the panels. Funny how you rely on certain characters' statements and not others'. Ronan had a motivation to lie now?

lol

Says the man who doesn't trust Thor's word when he says Wolverine is faster than he is and is able to shrug off his most powerful blows?

Based on the portrayal of Ronan's powers in the past, he was either nerfed, or he wasn't going all out. Take your pick. If you think that was Ronan going all out fine, thats fine. That opinion is more of a detriment for supporting Ronan in another debate than it is an argument of Gamora winning this one. If that was Ronan fighting at full strength in that example, than a fight with Wolverine would end with results. If Wolverine was plugged into that comic, panel for panel with Gamora, almost nothing would have to change.

Also... shoulder checking Ronan isn't a speed feat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ We're talking durability. I always have. Deflecting towards something different doesn't change that Gamora's durability > Wolverine's durability.

Because Gamora wasn't immediately wtfpwned or something similar? Assuming your conclusion doesn't serve as sufficient support for your conclusion. Your disbelief in Ronan's statements are categorically assumptive.

Deflection. You said you had something that mirrored Gamora's feat. So your initial statement is unsupported. That's all.

that argument makes it seem like you think her durability offers some major advantage but it doesn't.

Well.. Yeah.. because everytime he began to use it effectively she stopped being effective.

There is, Wolverine zipping around in the same artistic interpretation as her, and more impressive, him moving so fast as not to even be seen while people are losing limbs.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Also... shoulder checking Ronan isn't a speed feat.

"but there was a fwooosh sound"

yeah yeah.. lol

here is your scan jinzin just like you said same artistic representation..

here is another with another hero..

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/3003/batgirlannual1pg224pt.jpg