Originally posted by Wild ShadowThis post gave me a serious boner Wolverine ftw
this is gotten out of hand..not a single person can provide any scans or prove of her supposed superiority that logan hasnt surpass in one way or another..facepalm
if we want hyperbole logan is the most feared being to the brood he is their boogey man...
Logan has said it himself he has trained with gods and aliens alike..
his fighting skills are tied to his soul and past lifes..
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
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Thor said it himself. Wolverine was dodging his "fiercest and finest blows" yup, sounds like holding back to me. Thor said his durability wouldn't hold out for long... yup sounds confident.
But of course we can't take what Thor says at face value... Ronan on the other hand... 🙄
And Wolverine getting up immediately after getting hit by a lightning bolt =/=, Wolverine being beaten by a lightning bolt. All it did was jog his mind control. Woopdido... Good lord, Storms blasted him with lightning to use as a rod several times.
Whether or not it damages Wolverine's body is irrelivent since he CAN continue to operate at capacity after being hit, so he would still be able to continue being a stand in for that fight; nice red herring though.
As for dodging important issues... you have ignored and KEEP ignoring the fact that Ronan can capture/freeze/hold people without needing to touch them.
Doesn't matter anyhow....
Your arguments for shit anyways...
"Gamora vs. Ronan was legit"
- uh..... how so?
"Well......... that shit was legit!"
- Uh huh...... and the plot holes/inconsistencies?
"Dude you have no idea what DIDN'T happen off panel do you? Why can't you get it in your head and see it like I think it probably went down off panel? It's totally legit"
-*sigh*
Originally posted by jinzin
Thor said it himself. Wolverine was dodging his "fiercest and finest blows" yup, sounds like holding back to me.
Um you see the bit were he was trying to talk to him?
Originally posted by jinzin
Thor said his durability wouldn't hold out for long... yup sounds confident.
He said it wouldn't last forever. You're exaggerating. Did you even read the bit where he said his claws hadn't done significant damage?
Originally posted by jinzin
But of course we can't take what Thor says at face value... Ronan on the other hand... 🙄And Wolverine getting up immediately after getting hit by a lightning bolt =/=, Wolverine being beaten by a lightning bolt. All it did was jog his mind control. Woopdido... Good lord, Storms blasted him with lightning to use as a rod several times.
Whether or not it damages Wolverine's body is irrelivent since he CAN continue to operate at capacity after being hit, so he would still be able to continue being a stand in for that fight; nice red herring though.
Jesus ****ing christ if Thor wanted to finish him off he could have
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=wolvie_thor6.jpg
Wolverine was flat on his face. Hell if you look at the scans again he was rocked by a hammer blow from Thor.
Originally posted by jinzin
As for dodging important issues... you have ignored and KEEP ignoring the fact that Ronan can capture/freeze/hold people without needing to touch them.
Doesn't matter anyhow....
Your arguments for shit anyways..."Gamora vs. Ronan was legit"
- uh..... how so?
"Well......... that shit was legit!"
- Uh huh...... and the plot holes/inconsistencies?
"Dude you have no idea what DIDN'T happen off panel do you? Why can't you get it in your head and see it like I think it probably went down off panel? It's totally legit"
-*sigh*
You aint proven a god damn thing. You keep using this argument Ronan wasn't fighting his best its irrelevant. As pointed out to you he fought Ravenous twice and was getting his arse kicked he beat him by wacking him in the head.
OMIGODZ ITS SUSPECT!!!!
Originally posted by Deadline
Um you see the bit were he was trying to talk to him?He said it wouldn't last forever. You're exaggerating. Did you even read the bit where he said his claws hadn't done significant damage?
Jesus ****ing christ if Thor wanted to finish him off he could have
http://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=wolvie_thor6.jpg
Wolverine was flat on his face. Hell if you look at the scans again he was rocked by a hammer blow from Thor.
You aint proven a god damn thing. You keep using this argument Ronan wasn't fighting his best its irrelevant. As pointed out to you he fought Ravenous twice and was getting his arse kicked he beat him by wacking him in the head.
OMIGODZ ITS SUSPECT!!!!
Thor trying to talk to Wolverine is meaningless - he was still trying his best.
Of course Thor could have ended it anytime - it's called using his powers. If he just uses Melee, he will eventually die. Logan can take probably 5-10 of those shots before he is knocked out and if he's smart, then Thor won't land another one. Meanwhile, Logan will take out his eyes, and throat in two moves thus doing "significant" damage. You do realise that Thor is lucky he was cut in less vital areas - a wound like that to the Jugular and Thor bleeds out. A wound like that to the eyes and Thor is blind and helpless. So bottom line is, if Thor is smart he abandons Melee and just goes right to zapping Logan. Which might not be too easy considering Logan has a sixth sense and has dodged lazers plenty of times. That being said, I'm assuming Thor has some other power that will eventually give him the win. But not in melee.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
All the fallacies in the world doesn't change the fact that Gamora is better is virtually every area of this particular fight. I'm not sure how in your right mind you can argue Wolverine is more skilled than Gamora. So when it reference how many MA forms he's mastered in the universe... you just consider that hyperbole? Funny enough though, Wolverine... doesn't even have that supposed "hyperbolic" statements. You would think with all his appearance and need to wank him so, it would've happened... yet it hasn't. I wonder why? Maybe because Marvel has made it clear through narration and depiction that Gamora is another skill level compared to Wolverine. Fact. The fact that you even argue this point, tell me all I need to know. The point is, Gamora is superior in virtually every area and she wins this fight convincingly
You know, as someone already mentioned - he may actually be a master of all the martial arts in the universe considering he is a reincarnating spirit that has been doing it for thousands of years.
Also, someone can be a master of one or a few martial arts and still be way better than someone who's mastered 78. It's not how many you've mastered, it's how you actually apply those skills in a fight and how well you utilize everything. That's the key when summing up "fighting skills". I mean, look at Captain America.
Originally posted by Deadline
Um you see the bit were he was trying to talk to him?He said it wouldn't last forever. You're exaggerating. Did you even read the bit where he said his claws hadn't done significant damage?
"fiercest finest blows"
durability being an "adavantage that won't hold out for long...
And just so we're clear Alf, you're missing the point.
Thor's statements we ignore, but not Ronans? Riiiiiight.
Originally posted by Deadline
Jesus ****ing christ if Thor wanted to finish him off he could havehttp://s673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/?action=view¤t=wolvie_thor6.jpg
Wolverine was flat on his face. Hell if you look at the scans again he was rocked by a hammer blow from Thor.
Sure, he could have if Thor kept up with his advantage funny that...
Again you're missing the point.
Originally posted by DeadlineThey are actually.... You think it makes sense for Gamora to stand up to an attack that caved Ravenous' face in?
You aint proven a god damn thing. You keep using this argument Ronan wasn't fighting his best its irrelevant. As pointed out to you he fought Ravenous twice and was getting his arse kicked he beat him by wacking him in the head.OMIGODZ ITS SUSPECT!!!!
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiYou think Gamora is better please begin to prove it and we can be underway here.
All the fallacies in the world doesn't change the fact that Gamora is better is virtually every area of this particular fight. I'm not sure how in your right mind you can argue Wolverine is more skilled than Gamora. So when it reference how many MA forms he's mastered in the universe... you just consider that hyperbole? Funny enough though, Wolverine... doesn't even have that supposed "hyperbolic" statements. You would think with all his appearance and need to wank him so, it would've happened... yet it hasn't. I wonder why? Maybe because Marvel has made it clear through narration and depiction that Gamora is another skill level compared to Wolverine. Fact. The fact that you even argue this point, tell me all I need to know. The point is, Gamora is superior in virtually every area and she wins this fight convincingly
And yeah I do kinda consider that hyperbole... it at the very least isn't a reason to deem she has some skill advantage.... Do you understand how martial arts works? You can "master" multiple styles in a limited time frame.... funnily enough the most skilled person Gamora's ever fought was Wolverine, and she lost.. 😬
So this nonsense about her being represented by Marvel as on a different level being fact? It isn't.
If you think she's superior please begin to prove your case, your "nu-uh" arguments are not convincing to me one bit.
Originally posted by jinzin
You think Gamora is better please begin to prove it and we can be underway here.And yeah I do kinda consider that hyperbole... it at the very least isn't a reason to deem she has some skill advantage.... Do you understand how martial arts works? You can "master" multiple styles in a limited time frame.... funnily enough the most skilled person Gamora's ever fought was Wolverine, and she lost.. 😬
So this nonsense about her being represented by Marvel as on a different level being fact? It isn't.
If you think she's superior please begin to prove your case, your "nu-uh" arguments are not convincing to me one bit.
I see… So my next question would be how do you determine which statements are meant to be taken literally and which are… to be discounted? When it says she's mastered 75% of all MA forms in the universe… I take that as not a hyperbolic statement but as narration that is accurate and trying to drive home the point of how skilled she really is. The writer didn't just throw that in there by mistake did he? No I hope you're not arguing that point. It was put in there to illustrate how skilled of a h2h combatant she really is. As stated, for all the talk Marvel has about Wolverine and his "skill" and is significant more appearances…. there still hasn't been one statement that comes close to this in representing his skill level, especially on a universal level. I like how you say the best person she's faced is Wolverine and lost… Did you forget that even in that story Wolverine says.. her hf is on par with his… and she was distracted when Wolverine got the blow that you claim was the victory blow. Hardly what I would call some uber skill display by wolverine to beat Gamora. The "fight" if you can even call it that lasted what a few panels… lol. Furthermore…. do you also take the fact that Thanos has trained her to be one of the deadliest assassins in the universe as hyperbole as well? It doesn't really seem so.. because when they sparred she seemed to do pretty well didn't she? By the way.. you place Wolverine above Ronan in skill? I'm sure you're well aware of her beating dumb drax with ease and nerve striking The Thing…. Two people vastly stronger than Wolv and even more durable. So assuming she hits wolverine with some of her more powerful blows…. you think Wolverine can take it better than them? Of course he would heal.. but we've seen Wolv Ko'd many a time before healing which on this forum would constitute a forum win. So your view is that Gamora wouldn't land those blows or wolv would just take them in stride?
thats a lie!! she never beat dumb drax in any fight or sparring... 😒
unless it is modern drax then i apologize... havent kept track.. 😮
also she may know 75% as stated no one is dismissing it what we are arguing is what fighting skills she has displayed and if they are enough to surpass logan's fighting skills which so far she hasnt really surpassed him or overshadowed him.
So once again we're treated to this "Gamora's from space" nonsense.
Wolverine's been stated to be more threatening to the imperial Shiar guard than any FORCE in the cosmos...
Focus IS a part of fighting skill. 😕
One gut shot put Gamora out for the count... HF on Wolverine's level? Nope.
Batman spars with Wonder Woman. Woopdido.
She never beat Drax in a fight.
And She admitted she could not have taken down Thing without a distraction... Wolverine's one shot Thing as well (With Things full attention and other FF members in the area to account for) and has nerve touched someone who was assessed to be the Thing with uber MA skills causing him to fall apart. So that'd be Gamora getting overshadowed.
Yeah Wolverine can take nerve shots better than people without healing factors.... it's the advantage of having a healing factor. 😐
My "view" is that Wolverine and Gamora are very close to one another in skill and speed. Gamora can and will hit Logan and it's probably not going to end the fight, but no way will she be able to do so without putting herself at risk. Wolverine can and will hit Gamora and it probably will end the fight and his HF allows him to ignore accounting for the risk of attacking quite a bit.
Something as simple as a straight jab is enough for Logan to end most fights. A straight jab; it's the most common, most effective strike in boxing, kickboxing, brawling and MMA... Logan doesn't have to even account for nerve strikes or vitals, one straight hit or one swipe that lands on target will easily put Gamora at an immediate MASSIVE disadvantage if not outright kill her.
Gamora has to fight flawlessly while attempting to deal out precision techniques that Wolverine can and will whether for some time before the fight sees a winner. All Wolverine has to do is land ONE attack to basically sink the win and it doesn't even have to be a special one.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
thats a lie!! she never beat dumb drax in any fight or sparring... 😒unless it is modern drax then i apologize... havent kept track.. 😮
also she may know 75% as stated no one is dismissing it what we are arguing is what fighting skills she has displayed and if they are enough to surpass logan's fighting skills which so far she hasnt really surpassed him or overshadowed him.
Um. As compared to your argument:
"Fight wasn't legit cuz Ronan has to fight like I want him to."
"Dude, characters fight a certain way all the time. It is completely within Ronan's character to fight this way thru all his previous showings. If anything, he fought better than he ever has. This is a high showing for him."
"But it's still irrelevant cuz he let her goez!!"
"Can you prove it?"
"No! But neither can you so the fight is invalid, nyahnyahnyah"
"....."
And with regards to the Thor vs Wolverine fight: Thor based on his personality and thru the years he has fought and his countless showings has ALWAYS shown to hold back against mortals. Especially against friends. And this time it's a FRIEND he knows is being enchanted.
But sure. Let's ignore all that. Cuz, well. He said in his narration that those were his "fiercest and finest blows". Wheee!! Thor was fighting at his best here and was giving it all he's got!!! /rollseyes
There aren't any more "holes and inconsistencies" that exist in this fight that doesn't exist in more than 99.99999% of other comic fights out there. Based on your flawed logic, we should just disqualify every fight in comic history if we just find minor flaws in tactical logic when we have the gift of hindsight to second guess everything.
You sir, are hopeless.
