sigh... Gamora fighting Ronan is the same as cap, taskmaster fighting and hanging with thor, bloodstrike.. they get their licks in look good doing it but clearly holding back when they are temporal and energy manipulators and it sure dont make them heralds by association and gamora sure as hell aint one either.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh... Gamora fighting Ronan is the same as cap, taskmaster fighting and hanging with thor, bloodstrike.. they get their licks in look good doing it but clearly holding back when they are temporal and energy manipulators and it sure dont make them heralds by association and gamora sure as hell aint one either.
No one is arguing about her power levels being herald level (I certainly am not). The debate here was to determine if her fight with Ronan was a viable measure of her abilities, and it is.
gamora looked good no doubt but she cant beat him without major CIS and PIS writing.. placing her against Ronan in a forum battle will result in a spite thread against her and that isnt even using Ronan at his best with no CIS...
so that there tells you already how the fight between the two was no accurate measure of either's potential.
now claiming her feat is actually legit and wolverines melee fight with thor is not and is just fan wanking makes ur opinion and other similar ones hypocritical and obvious personal dislike of the character(prejudice).
like i said in melee many fighters can give a herald being a fight may not win but heralds usually arent lvl 7 fighters. so it is possible for a MA'er to look good for a while against them b4 they get f#@@ up.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to downplay the fight by throwing tactical what ifs??? Wow. That is just silly. Maybe you should talk to the Surfer writers on why each Surfer fight doesn't end up with him shrinking to microversal size and opening a black hole inside their brain.It's called CIP/CIS. EVERY character has it in every fight. It's part of who they are. It's existence does not in any way constitute a lower performance level for that character.
Repeating the same thing 3 times now to try and falsely create multiple instances of him fighting ineffectively? Sad, really.
Here's a hint: You're not Ronan, you dont' know and cannot know his reasoning when he was fighting.
Perhaps he knew the stasis field can only hold her for a few moments.
Perhaps he thought her could finish the fight by blasting her while she was helpless.
Perhaps he wanted her to suffer.
Who knows?? Only the writer is privy to his combat logic and it's laughable that you even try to second guess it.
I don't know.
Perhaps he didnt want to be a big fat floating target? (Gamore CAN shoot energy blasts you know....)
Perhaps he knew that he could bring more power to bear at close range as he has his enhanced strength coupled with the energy hits of his UW?
Perhaps he thought he could hit her easier at close range because of her speed?
Perhaps a million other reasons. Who are you to second guess his combat logic here?
CIP/CIS is a well accepted truth in comics. ALSO, in the forum fights in KMC, it does NOT in any way disqualify in question. You're poor attempts to downplay the fight notwithstanding.
Heck, ANYONE who's read Ronan's tactical choices in the past can easily say that this Ronan has fought more effectively and has used a more varied powerset than any of his other appearances throughout Annihilation to present day.
False. If you read the fight at all, she was avoiding his attacks rather effectively and when Godslayer came out, she had him pretty much on the defensive. A plot device ended the fight.
Your logic is flawed as always and insisting on it doesn't make it true.
You just stated it yourself.... "Perhaps this, perhaps that, who knows? I DON'T KNOW"....
Exactly... you DON'T know because as I already painfully pointed out to you there's utterly NO REASON, no logical reason WHATSOEVER for Ronan to simply give up the advantages he had in that fight, which is what he did.
Ronan was written down to give Gamora a fighting chance, they HAD to fight one another to cyphon power, it's the very definition of PIS.
Fact is, everytime he had an advantage he simply LET. HER. GO.... this isn't some instance in which we see how she struggled away or was too much to contain, it's multiple instances in which Ronan begins to use his UW and stuffs her completely only for the fight to run off panel, the next time we see them she somehow escaped with no explanation behind it and Ronan's back to resorting to use ineffective tactics.
This is a massive problem when you're trying to present Gamora as being on Ronan's level and hence outside Wolverine's... Which is already a "flawed argument" because the only reason Ronan is outside Wolverine's scope is due to what he's done in the past and what we know he can do... Things he did not do in that fight.
You want to argue to CIS, that's fine, but that ALSO does not put Gamora at his level, it brings him down to hers.
Once again, she doesn't have the feats to prove she can beat Wolverine's advantages in a fight, and the Ronan feat is not nearly conclusive enough proof to support that "flawed logic" as well.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
gamora looked good no doubt but she cant beat him without major CIS and PIS writing.. placing her against Ronan in a forum battle will result in a spite thread against her and that isnt even using Ronan at his best with no CIS...so that there tells you already how the fight between the two was no accurate measure of either's potential.
now claiming her feat is actually legit and wolverines melee fight with thor is not and is just fan wanking makes ur opinion and other similar ones hypocritical and obvious personal dislike of the character(prejudice).
like i said in melee many fighters can give a herald being a fight may not win but heralds usually arent lvl 7 fighters. so it is possible for a MA'er to look good for a while against them b4 they get f#@@ up.
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You're gettin better at this Shadow.
^ Ronan grabbing/restraining Gamora and then either (i) hitting Gamora with a square shot of the Universal Weapon, or (ii) unleashing a point-blank full-power blast of the Universal Weapon, is Ronan "letting Gamora go?" That's Ronan giving up his advantage for no reason?
But just to illustrate and make sure we all understand the intricacies of this argument here, let's look at a similar situation. Here, Thor grabbed both Surfer and Warlock and just smashed them with Mjolnir out of his grasp. So clearly by your estimation... Thor inexplicably gave up his advantage and merely "let them go." Is that how this works? Am I getting it right?
Originally posted by Wild ShadowWhen the hell did Taskmaster hang with Thor? Are you "off your meds delusional?" If that doesn't sound familiar then you aren't reading comics.
sigh... Gamora fighting Ronan is the same as cap, taskmaster fighting and hanging with thor, bloodstrike.. they get their licks in look good doing it but clearly holding back when they are temporal and energy manipulators and it sure dont make them heralds by association and gamora sure as hell aint one either.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowNobody but Wolverine fans who randomly crusade to bring Gamora down to his level think Gamora would get curbstomped by Ronan. Because anyone who has read their fight realizes they stalemated. Gamora didn't present the "appearance" of matching Ronan. She matched Ronan.
gamora looked good no doubt but she cant beat him without major CIS and PIS writing.. placing her against Ronan in a forum battle will result in a spite thread against her and that isnt even using Ronan at his best with no CIS...so that there tells you already how the fight between the two was no accurate measure of either's potential.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowThor two-shotted Wolverine. Wolverine repeatedly scratched Thor. There is no hypocrisy in distinguishing the two fights as utterly different.
now claiming her feat is actually legit and wolverines melee fight with thor is not and is just fan wanking makes ur opinion and other similar ones hypocritical and obvious personal dislike of the character(prejudice).like i said in melee many fighters can give a herald being a fight may not win but heralds usually arent lvl 7 fighters. so it is possible for a MA'er to look good for a while against them b4 they get f#@@ up.
Cap specifically using leverage and momentum to toss Bloodaxe Thunderstrike once is even less analogous to Gamora's fight with Ronan. There, Cap completely admitted he was utterly outclassed. He clearly admitted he was only delaying Thunderstrike and that even that effort was "exhausted." Where did he admit that? On the next page:
The lengths you'll go to drag Gamora down to Wolverine's level are nothing short of abysmal.
i like how you try to compare a 70 tonner hammer blow to a thor hammer blow...
also cap in that scan was massively handicap which makes it an even greater feat then some think.
if you think she can stalemate Ronan then i encourage you to speak your opinion in the gamora vs ronan thread and see how many ppl would agree with you with that being likely.
by the way wolverine has fought more herald type beings, gods and uber bricks not only survive stalemate but even killed some..
again gamora's feat cant compare we asked repeatedly to name who she has beaten all you named is Ronan as a feat and yet when i pointed out an actual Mesopotamian god Ba'al you dismiss it..
logan has better feats then gamora hands down and we can actually tiurn this into a feat scan war if you like.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowYou mean comparing a Universal Weapon blow to a Mjolnir blow? And again, how is Ronan giving up his advantages by capitalizing on connecting with clean shots or full power blasts?
i like how you try to compare a 70 tonner hammer blow to a thor hammer blow...also cap in that scan was massively handicap which makes it an even greater feat then some think.
if you think she can stalemate Ronan then i encourage you to speak your opinion in the gamora vs ronan thread and see how many ppl would agree with you with that being likely.
Cap's SSS breakdown has nothing to do with the fact that the feat is a pure application of leverage/momentum. If Gamora was completely relying on leverage/momentum and only tossed Ronan once before becoming exhausted, then that'd parallel the Ronan/Gamora fight. Since she didn't, then it doesn't parallel it at all.
I would encourage you to stop making bait threads that almost unilaterally end up blowing up in your face and expanding the butt-hurt. The "WWH vs Symbiotes" thread was pretty lulztastic.
Originally posted by Wild ShadowYeah. You showed me three whole panels of one fight. Thanks. I'll totally take your word for it. Especially considering --
by the way wolverine has fought more herald type beings, gods and uber bricks not only survive stalemate but even killed some..again gamora's feat cant compare we asked repeatedly to name who she has beaten all you named is Ronan as a feat and yet when i pointed out an actual Mesopotamian god Ba'al you dismiss it..
logan has better feats then gamora hands down and we can actually tiurn this into a feat scan war if you like.
-- that Wolverine prayed for assistance and was imbued with the "Hand of God" when he beat Ba'al. The "Hand of God," which has killed Ba'al historically. So you profess that Wolverine "beat an elder god?" First of all, being given a plot device power-up =/= Wolveirne beating Ba'al straight up. Second, Ba'al being a Mesopotamian god =/= being an Elder God. The only Elder Gods are Chthon, Set and Gaea.
Insert 50 cents and try again. Or don't. kinda
Originally posted by jinzin
You just stated it yourself.... "Perhaps this, perhaps that, who knows? I DON'T KNOW"....Exactly... you DON'T know because as I already painfully pointed out to you there's utterly NO REASON, no logical reason WHATSOEVER for Ronan to simply give up the advantages he had in that fight, which is what he did.
No, I just gave you about 3 reasons on each possible scenario w/c might explain his actions in each of the given scenario. I stated, "I don't know" because, unlike you, I do not assume that I know better than the writer on why each tactical decision was made.
The fact that you then state that there are no logical reason AFTER you have been presented with multiple possible reasons only reinforces the notion that you're already closed your mind to this debate and are just grasping at straws to try and prove a faulty argument.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ronan was written down to give Gamora a fighting chance, they HAD to fight one another to cyphon power, it's the very definition of PIS.
Power-wise Ronan was not written down in any way (I dare you to prove this). But, if by you mean by "written down" is your constant foolish insistence that Ronan was shown to not use his full powerset in this fight, you'll have to show me consistent showings of Ronan using a larger variety of his powerset in other fights. Believe me, you'll be hard preseed to show me 1 or 2 showings.
You see, what you can't seem to understand is that for Ronan to be "writted down" in any way, he has to have been "written up" to establish his character level. Can you prove that he has been ALWAYS more versatile in other fights than he has been in this fight?
Originally posted by jinzin
Fact is, everytime he had an advantage he simply LET. HER. GO.... this isn't some instance in which we see how she struggled away or was too much to contain, it's multiple instances in which Ronan begins to use his UW and stuffs her completely only for the fight to run off panel, the next time we see them she somehow escaped with no explanation behind it and Ronan's back to resorting to use ineffective tactics.
ODG already owned this pathetic argument so I'll leave this be.
Originally posted by jinzin
This is a massive problem when you're trying to present Gamora as being on Ronan's level and hence outside Wolverine's... Which is already a "flawed argument" because the only reason Ronan is outside Wolverine's scope is due to what he's done in the past and what we know he can do... Things he did not do in that fight.You want to argue to CIS, that's fine, but that ALSO does not put Gamora at his level, it brings him down to hers.
Once again, she doesn't have the feats to prove she can beat Wolverine's advantages in a fight, and the Ronan feat is not nearly conclusive enough proof to support that "flawed logic" as well.
I'm not trying to present Gamora as Ronan level. The writer did that. If you read the story at all, it was partly to demonstrate the new power levels that Gamora is operating at now
She can beat Wolverine because of her powerset. She is simply stronger, faster and is arguably just as or even more skilled than Wolverine is. She has a potential one-shot weapon (Godslayer) that can also shoot at a distance (whereas Wolverine can only aattack in melee range). Someone far stronger, arguably faster and having the same skill level than you will almost always win the fight. All Wolvie has is his damage soak and adamantium claws won't even matter much if Gamora just stays ahead of him and blasts him with Godslayer.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i like how you try to compare a 70 tonner hammer blow to a thor hammer blow...also cap in that scan was massively handicap which makes it an even greater feat then some think.
if you think she can stalemate Ronan then i encourage you to speak your opinion in the gamora vs ronan thread and see how many ppl would agree with you with that being likely.
by the way wolverine has fought more herald type beings, gods and uber bricks not only survive stalemate but even killed some..
again gamora's feat cant compare we asked repeatedly to name who she has beaten all you named is Ronan as a feat and yet when i pointed out an actual Mesopotamian god Ba'al you dismiss it..
logan has better feats then gamora hands down and we can actually tiurn this into a feat scan war if you like.
Why do you keep bringing up arguments that have little to no relevance on the debate?
Cap only threw him. Again, little relevance to the debate.
We don't have to make a thread, they have a fight on panel and it was a stalemate.
Wolverine has more showings that Gamora because he is basically one of the most whored out characters in marvel. He appears in like half a dozen issues, of course he has more showings. I know you want to make this a feat scan war because of this.
Gamora has always been a supporting character and has had very few showings to speak of. That is why the Ronan fight is so important to look at because this showcases her abilities more than a lot of her appearances where she just simply mows down waves of fodder enemies.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
No, I just gave you about 3 reasons on each possible scenario w/c might explain his actions in each of the given scenario. I stated, "I don't know" because, unlike you, I do not assume that I know better than the writer on why each tactical decision was made.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The fact that you then state that there are no logical reason AFTER you have been presented with multiple possible reasons only reinforces the notion that you're already closed your mind to this debate and are just grasping at straws to try and prove a faulty argument.
He knew he could only hold her for a few moments? ORLY
By what proof?
He thought he could finish her while blasting her while she was helpess?
Okay... so we know she was helpless, you admit she was helpless... Why didn't he continue to blast her or hold her? She WAS helpless afterall by your own supposition.
Perhaps he wanted her to suffer? So he let her go so she could continue fighting him? 🤨
Yeah none of that makes any sense.
And the flying thing... melee obviously wasn't going so well... her one ranged attack that she used was completely inneffective on him so he wouldn't need to worry about that.
Again, there is no logical reason for why he gave up his advantages, that's what calls the feat into question or AT THE LEAST makes Gamora look quite unlike his equal.
I mean do we seriously need to sit here and explain to you how Ronan letting her go after a punch to the face isn't the most effective meathod of combat? Even for an amateur?
Anyone with even a passing familiarity in fighting should be able to recognize that fighters capitalize when their opponents are hurt/rocker/compromised, it's why MMA guys pounce on opponents who get put on crazy legs... The fight would have been over as soon as it started if Ronan simply kept holding on to her and hitting her upside the face.
Didn't happen because there needed to be some excuse for the two to keep fighting....
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Power-wise Ronan was not written down in any way (I dare you to prove this). But, if by you mean by "written down" is your constant foolish insistence that Ronan was shown to not use his full powerset in this fight, you'll have to show me consistent showings of Ronan using a larger variety of his powerset in other fights. Believe me, you'll be hard preseed to show me 1 or 2 showings.You see, what you can't seem to understand is that for Ronan to be "writted down" in any way, he has to have been "written up" to establish his character level. Can you prove that he has been ALWAYS more versatile in other fights than he has been in this fight?
My argument isn't set upon the versatility of Ronan's powerset alone, only a simpleton would come to that conclusion.
My argument is that Ronan didn't use that versatility to effect even for the powers he DID USE in this particular fight.
Which makes the fight very suspect for people trying to make Gamora out to be his equal.
It's the same type of argument as people who try to suggest that "this street level" or "that street level" are at Wolverine's level because they survived against him in a fight where he decided to sheath his claws and opt to punch them in the face instead... That's not them fighting at his level, it's him playing down to theirs to give some sort of excuse for them even appearing to be hanging with someone out of their league, just like this fight is here.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
ODG already owned this pathetic argument so I'll leave this be.
He posted 2 examples of Ronan having Gamora helpess and subsequently relenquishing that advantage. He basically proved my case for me and then tried to equivocate it to an innaccurate comparison of Thor in "Warrior Madness" fighting 2 like versatile opponents. The example being wildely different.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'm not trying to present Gamora as Ronan level.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
The writer did that.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
If you read the story at all, it was partly to demonstrate the new power levels that Gamora is operating at now
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
She can beat Wolverine because of her powerset. She is simply stronger, faster and is arguably just as or even more skilled than Wolverine is. She has a potential one-shot weapon (Godslayer) that can also shoot at a distance (whereas Wolverine can only aattack in melee range). Someone far stronger, arguably faster and having the same skill level than you will almost always win the fight. All Wolvie has is his damage soak and adamantium claws won't even matter much if Gamora just stays ahead of him and blasts him with Godslayer.
She's stronger? Sure...
Faster? No.
More Skilled? No.
Wolverine has a potential one-shot weapon, and unlike her he can't be disarmed of it.
She has a useless strength advantage against someone who can tank through brick level blows as a superpower.
The only thing that she MIGHT have going for her in this fight is an energy blast. Is that enough to beat Wolverine? Probably not.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Why do you keep bringing up arguments that have little to no relevance on the debate?Cap only threw him. Again, little relevance to the debate.
We don't have to make a thread, they have a fight on panel and it was a stalemate.
Wolverine has more showings that Gamora because he is basically one of the most whored out characters in marvel. He appears in like half a dozen issues, of course he has more showings. I know you want to make this a feat scan war because of this.
Gamora has always been a supporting character and has had very few showings to speak of. That is why the Ronan fight is so important to look at because this showcases her abilities more than a lot of her appearances where she just simply mows down waves of fodder enemies.
So you're of the position that Gamora without a doubt is = to Ronan soley because they've stalemated in a comic book?
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Wow... then I guess Wolverine's at Hulk's level...
Originally posted by jinzin
What makes you think I assume that? I've never even stated as much. What I said was that the tactics did not make sense and they don't, AND the issue does not even begin to address them. You gave reasons? No you gave suggestions that ALSO do not make sense.And none of them logical, hence the problem that my argument poses.
Because you keep assuming that you seem to know w/c strategies would have worked better in each scenario even though it was never shown that they would and plausible reasons were given why they wouldn't.
Originally posted by jinzin
He knew he could only hold her for a few moments? ORLY
By what proof?
You cannot prove otherwise, and thus cannot disqualify this as a potential reason to why he opted to attack her with a UW blast.
Originally posted by jinzin
He thought he could finish her while blasting her while she was helpess?
Okay... so we know she was helpless, you admit she was helpless... Why didn't he continue to blast her or hold her? She WAS helpless afterall by your own supposition.
Because the blast might have knocked her out of stasis?
Perhaps because he has not since been able to apply the stasis field on her succesfully (it looked like he needed touch contact to do it)?
Originally posted by jinzin
Perhaps he wanted her to suffer? So he let her go so she could continue fighting him? 🤨
Not what I said. Please try and understand the statments better before making silly assumptions.
He blasted her from within the stasis bubble because he wanted her to suffer. If someone stabbed a friend of yours, would you be content at holding the person down or would you release one of his arms so that you can free up your own arm to punch him?
That, in turn, blasted her right out of stasis and made the fight continue.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah none of that makes any sense. :
Only to a closed mind.
Originally posted by jinzin
And the flying thing... melee obviously wasn't going so well... her one ranged attack that she used was completely inneffective on him so he wouldn't need to worry about that.
He deflected it with the UW force field, doesn't mean it was ineffective.
His ranged attacks were having little effect on her when they DID connect (heck, he had her caught in a stasis bubble, had time to charge up his UN for a focused energy blast AND blasted her in the back at short range, but it didnt even do any visible damage on her) so taking this fight to the sky might not be as big an advantage as you think.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, there is no logical reason for why he gave up his advantages.
Except that there are.
Originally posted by jinzin
I mean do we seriously need to sit here and explain to you how Ronan letting her go after a punch to the face isn't the most effective meathod of combat? Even for an amateur?
Anyone with even a passing familiarity in fighting should be able to recognize that fighters capitalize when their opponents are hurt/rocker/compromised, it's why MMA guys pounce on opponents who get put on crazy legs... The fight would have been over as soon as it started if Ronan simply kept holding on to her and hitting her upside the face.
Didn't happen because there needed to be some excuse for the two to keep fighting....
You mean him blasting her from within a stasis field ISN'T him taking advantage of a compromised opponent?? From a guy who says that him letting her go from the stasis field was a bad tactical choice, you making this sugggesion shows how little consistency you have with your argumentation.
Originally posted by jinzin
For someone who wants to belittle my intelligence so much throughout these little rebutles, you sure are having one hell of a time accurately assessing the argument I've been making...
Never belittled your intelligence. Just the foolishness of your argumentation.
If you don't understand my meaning, ask for clarifications. I felt that I put together my points quite concisely.
Originally posted by jinzin
My argument isn't set upon the versatility of Ronan's powerset alone, only a simpleton would come to that conclusion.
My argument is that Ronan didn't use that versatility to effect even for the powers he DID USE in this particular fight.
Which makes the fight very suspect for people trying to make Gamora out to be his equal. ...
That is simply opinion formed from dogged persistence. If you opened your mind but a fraction and reread my arguments, you should already consider the fight quite valid. And is a good showing for BOTH parties involved.
Originally posted by jinzin
It's the same type of argument as people who try to suggest that "this street level" or "that street level" are at Wolverine's level because they survived against him in a fight where he decided to sheath his claws and opt to punch them in the face instead... That's not them fighting at his level, it's him playing down to theirs to give some sort of excuse for them even appearing to be hanging with someone out of their league, just like this fight is here.
W/c didnt occur here. What you don't seem to understand is that in this fight:
1) Ronan WAS NOT holding back at all.
2) Ronan was shown to use a large variety of his powerset in this fight. More than any other showing he's had in a while.
Your dogged determination to disqualify or downplay this fight stems from a flawed argument that:
"If any single ability/tactic that MIGHT be shown to give a certain character an advantage but wasn't used in certain fights automatically deems the fight invalid as a showing.
Few points:
1) YES. Characters might be written to not use some powers to allow for fights to occur. Does not make the fight invalid or a low showing. Otherwise:
-Every Flash fight lasts more than a panel is invalid
-Every Surfer fight that doesn't have him opening black holes or shirnking down to attack his opponent from within or attacking them from the Astral Plane is invalid.
-Every Superman fight where he 1) fought bricks hand to hand or dididn't speed blitz his opponent at the very start is invalid.
-Every Thor fight where he didnt God blast some serious threat or simply BFR his target is invalid.
Do you get it now???
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh... No...He posted 2 examples of Ronan having Gamora helpess and subsequently relenquishing that advantage. He basically proved my case for me and then tried to equivocate it to an innaccurate comparison of Thor in "Warrior Madness" fighting 2 like versatile opponents. The example being wildely different.
If you read what he posted AFTER, rather than just looking at the scans, you MIGHT begin to understand how he owned you argument there...
Originally posted by jinzin
Yes you are.
Please indicate where I said: "Gamora is the same level as Ronan"
Originally posted by jinzin
And failed to do it effectively because he had to resort to multiple inconsistencies taking place off panel without addressing them on panel.
Only to the close minded...
Originally posted by jinzin
And no one said she wasn't impressive... but it really doesn't show her at Ronan's level. Unless you plea to his CIS which again, is fine.
I never said she was "Ronan-level" again, pls indicate where I specifically said that.
It showed that her level of skill/physicality was sufficient enough to neutralize Ronan's power output/versatility. It also showcased a lot of her new abilities. This is why the feat is very important and this is why you're trying to invalidate it by claiming that "Ronan didn't fight effectively".
I don't even like Gamora but that argumentation is just silly.
Originally posted by jinzin
She's stronger? Sure...Faster? No.
More Skilled? No.
Wolverine has a potential one-shot weapon, and unlike her he can't be disarmed of it.She has a useless strength advantage against someone who can tank through brick level blows as a superpower.
The only thing that she MIGHT have going for her in this fight is an energy blast. Is that enough to beat Wolverine? Probably not.
She is not just stronger. She is FAR stronger. Which will come in handy if he ever manages to grapple her (w/c I doubt) or if she wants to put some distance between her and him (via leaps).
It can be argued that she is faster. But neither you nor me can prove otherwise. It can be argued that she has been shown to posses super speed in terms of her running speed at least.
More skilled? It has been mentioned the level of skill she operates in. I also mentioned that she is AT LEAST skilled enough to easily match Wolverine in H2H and definitely be skilled enough to tag him with the Godslayer.
So someone who is accurate enough to tag him with an energy weapon (something that adamantium bones won't help you much in) that will rend the flesh from his bone as well as being fast enough to remain ahead of him to avoid melee combat in a fight ISN'T given a large advantage here??
And here you are arguing that Ronan flying should have given him a huge advantage against Gamora....
