Gamora vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Lulz.

Everytime that Logan hasn't gone through catastrophic damage and he's knocked out/incapacitated, it's PIS and doesn't count? And here we come to it at last, "IDLI, IDH" is once again the basis for your entire argument. That didn't really go over too well concerning Wovlerine's brain penetrability then. It'll go over even less well now. Watch the language, kiddo. Still lulz.

I'm fine with terms like "mook." When it's applied by folks like you who refuse to believe Wolverine can't have his brain penetrated or that he can't be knocked out without catastrophic damage overloading his healing factor, it's an indication I'm doing something right.

Yes, every time it happens is PIS and doesn't count. Luckily for me however its very rare (which you know - is why its in the minority in the first place), hardly ever happens and 9 times out of 10, there easily explained circumstances directly responsibly.

It worked just fine in the case of OneDumbGo: Wolverine and Mysterious Phantom Bones, you just didn't like what I was telling you because it shit all over your stupid theory, and you didn't really have anything else going on for you in that thread. So you know... you made up an acronym and pretended like that mattered, and then continued to ignore what I was telling you, and once again built your argument on some examples of PIS... again.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, every time it happens is PIS and doesn't count. Luckily for me however its very rare (which you know - is why its in the minority in the first place), hardly ever happens and 9 times out of 10, there easily explained circumstances directly responsibly.

It worked just fine in the case of [b] OneDumbGo: Wolverine and Mysterious Phantom Bones, you just didn't like what I was telling you because it shit all over your stupid theory, and you didn't really have anything else going on for you in that thread. So you know... you made up an acronym and pretended like that mattered, and then continued to ignore what I was telling you, and once again built your argument on some examples of PIS... again. [/B]

Are you sure that in some cases when he does get Koed you just think its overloaded when its not?

wasnt his whole argument was that logan's skeleton is missing skull bones and if things are shown to go through adamantium in comic scans/stories it means it can be used in thread battles..

sighting a sword going through his sternum which is adamantium..

logan missing backbone in his eye socket and his brain being vulnerable to a bullet...

claiming an arrow can go into his brain by ear..

Rogue claiming a spear can penetrate his skull by his lower jaw to his brain?

lastly that a kitchen knife can go through his adamantium hand..

all claiming it is not PIS but Actual physiology of the character and adamantium not being indestructible if it can be penetrated b/c it was shown in comics?

Originally posted by Deadline
Are you sure that in some cases when he does get Koed you just think its overloaded when its not?

How does that even make sense? 😑

He doesn't turn his healing factor on, it is on by default. You can't bypass it, its innate, it operates independently of his thought process.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, every time it happens is PIS and doesn't count. Luckily for me however its very rare (which you know - is why its in the minority in the first place), hardly ever happens and 9 times out of 10, there easily explained circumstances directly responsibly.

It worked just fine in the case of [b] OneDumbGo: Wolverine and Mysterious Phantom Bones, you just didn't like what I was telling you because it shit all over your stupid theory, and you didn't really have anything else going on for you in that thread. So you know... you made up an acronym and pretended like that mattered, and then continued to ignore what I was telling you, and once again built your argument on some examples of PIS... again. [/B]

Actually, Wolverine can have his brain penetrated. It's happened. A lot. Very entertained you still can't get over that. And I can't take credit for "IDLI, IDH." It's been used by other desperate posters many a time before you or me. Language, young man.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
wasnt his whole argument was that logan's skeleton is missing skull bones and if things are shown to go through adamantium in comic scans/stories it means it can be used in thread battles..

I actually don't agree with that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
How does that even make sense? 😑

He doesn't turn his healing factor on, it is on by default. You can't bypass it, its innate, it operates independently of his thought process.

Jesus Christ Srank. You're brain is so locked on Wolverine FTW you can't even understand a simple question. Good Lord....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Lulz. "IDLI, IDH" again. Always magically pops up to deflect apparent vulnerabilities with Wolverine's character (it's his unspoken mutant power dontcha know?). Nevermind what happens on-panel, "IDLI, IDH" wins most threads Wolverine's been involved in. Comedy.

Actually, Wolverine can have his brain penetrated. It's happened. A lot. Very entertained you still can't get over that. And I can't take credit for "IDLI, IDH." It's been used by other desperate posters many a time before you or me. Language, young man.

Superman's been downed by lightning. More than once. Thor's been beaten by Hulk like eight times. Something happening isn't enough to insure its validity in stone, especially if it is out of line with the characters history, thats why we have rules on the forum that prevent people from citing... well... come to think of it, pretty much everything you like to cite. What the hell is that all about anyway? Read the rules.

Once again. We've seen Wolverine's skull. We've seen that he does have a sphenoid bone. We've seen it a dozen times. That immediately discredits the validity of two of those examples. If Wolverine has a sphenoid bone, which we know he does, that means he couldn't possibly be shot through the orbital or through the nasal cavity. That leaves you with three examples; Wolverine stabbing himself through the brain, Deadpool doing whatever it was he did, and the arrow through the external acoustic meatus. The example Wolverine stabbing himself through the brain, is immediately disqualified, since his Adamantium was being displaced and moved around by a nano-virus he was infected with. That leaves you with two examples. We've seen the external acoustic meatus on his temporal bone, and that means an arrow couldn't possible go through. So... that leaves the Deadpool example... which is to stupid to even comment on really. So what we have is three isolated examples that occurred because of common misconceptions of human anatomy and the Deadpool, which is just stupid. The examples couldn't have possibly have occurred given the orientation of Wolverine's skull. We've seen his sphenoid bone, we've seen his external acoustic meatus, they both exist, so that immediately destroys the creditability of those examples. He would need to be missing those bones, which he isn't. You like to pretend that these examples - which are all isolated and involve different pieces of anatomy of the skull - validate one another, but they don't. They have nothing to do with each other. Deadpool doing what ever he did has nothing to do with an arrow going through Wolverine's ear canal, or any of the other examples.

Seriously, I don't even know why I bother having a rational discussion about this brain dead theory of yours. I should simply say "Dur well we ain't none of dem der x-ray eyes so we don't know of dem der bullets even got to his brain anways," thats about as much intelligence as this discussion warrants. You are the only one who has this oppinion anyway (I wonder thats all about).

Originally posted by Deadline
I actually don't agree with that.

Jesus Christ Srank. You're brain is so locked on Wolverine FTW you can't even understand a simple question. Good Lord....

Because the question doesn't make sense. I just think his healing factor is over loaded... but its not? If his healing factor wasn't overloaded... he - you know - wouldn't be koed.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Superman's been downed by lightning. More than once. Thor's been beaten by Hulk like eight times. Something happening isn't enough to insure its validity in stone, especially if it is out of line with the characters history, thats why we have rules on the forum that prevent people from citing... well... come to think of it, pretty much everything you like to cite. What the hell is that all about anyway? Read the rules.

Once again. We've seen Wolverine's skull. We've seen that he does have a sphenoid bone. We've seen it a dozen times. That immediately discredits the validity of two of those examples. If Wolverine has a sphenoid bone, which we know he does, that means he couldn't possibly be shot through the orbital or through the nasal cavity. That leaves you with three examples; Wolverine stabbing himself through the brain, Deadpool doing whatever it was he did, and the arrow through the external acoustic meatus. The example Wolverine stabbing himself through the brain, is immediately disqualified, since his Adamantium was being displaced and moved around by a nano-virus he was infected with. That leaves you with two examples. We've seen the external acoustic meatus on his temporal bone, and that means an arrow couldn't possible go through. So... that leaves the Deadpool example... which is to stupid to even comment on really. So what we have is three isolated examples that occurred because of common misconceptions of human anatomy and the Deadpool, which is just stupid. The examples couldn't have possibly have occurred given the orientation of Wolverine's skull. We've seen his sphenoid bone, we've seen his external acoustic meatus, they both exist, so that immediately destroys the creditability of those examples. He would need to be missing those bones, which he isn't. You like to pretend that these examples - which are all isolated and involve different pieces of anatomy of the skull - validate one another, but they don't. They have nothing to do with each other. Deadpool doing what ever he did has nothing to do with an arrow going through Wolverine's ear canal, or any of the other examples.

I've seen Wolverine's skull. I've seen scans of people using a tiny computer projection that may or may not show the sphenoid bone (definitely doesn't reference it). I've seen plenty of times where the skull and other skulls in comics have big deep gaping black holes suggesting a hole. Chalk it up to poor anatomy awareness, we're still dealing with fiction. Throwing around real science terms as if it bolsters your "IDLI, IDH" arguments applied to about a dozen instances on-panel that support/outright display that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated isn't helping your case.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Seriously, I don't even know why I bother having a rational discussion about this brain dead theory of yours. I should simply say "Dur well we ain't none of dem der x-ray eyes so we don't know of dem der bullets even got to his brain anways," thats about as much intelligence as this discussion warrants. You are the only one who has this oppinion anyway (I wonder thats all about).

Arguing with you on how characters square off against each other is hopelessly mired when you can't even accept the plain presentation of a comic. Sure, if you arbitrarily discount anything that makes Wolverine "look bad" and everything that makes Gamora "look good," then Wolverine wins.

But at this point, you're not arguing about the comic characters as they're presented. You're just arguing about what you like and what you don't like about comics and insisting that we accept your arbitrary notions of what constitutes evidence.

I mean, let's just track your golden Wolverine brain penetrability argument. Boiled down it's as follows:

"Well in the real world, if a normal human had adamantium lining their bones completely, there's no feasible way that a claw or bullet could penetrate into their brain. There's no hole big enough.

Projecting that onto a fictional comic character (who isn't human), I thus conclude that any such instances evinces a poor real world scientific knowledge of anatomy and therefore. And I don't like when that happens... in a fictional comic book.

And because I don't like it, it actually never happened in the comic book world of fiction. And when we argue about fictional comic characters battling each other in a fictional comic setting, nobody is allowed to use that instance against my favorite fictional comic character. Because it never actually happened, not even in a fictional comic."

Fact is, not everybody has this stupendous problem with stuff like Wolverine clawing his own brain through his eye sockets. It's a fictional comic book. I can accept it as being real science stupid, but true in that fictional comic book setting. Therefore, if I'm going to argue about fictional comic characters, it's appropriate and fair game to mention in a fictional comic fight. The real bottom-line though? I'm not going to engage in projecting real world science in the first place to justify my conclusions about what is or isn't true in a fictional comic setting. All in the transparent effort of dismissing vulnerabilities in my favorite comic character because I want them to win in a made-up fight.

Do you know why I won't engage in such surreptitious maneuvering? Because in the context of a debate that hinges on "evidentiary support" flowing from a fictional comic universe, projecting real science to invalidate fictional comic instances is asinine. You're doing what h1a8 does with Superman. Just instead of spewing out equations and faulty application of real life physics, you just throw out anatomical terms and faulty application of real life biology. And I am equally unconvinced.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Magic lightning? Thor's been beaten by Hulk eight times... except not? Most of their fights end up interrupted or in stalemates. Firing out random scenarios that don't comparatively analogize at all isn't helping your case. Firing out made-up scenarios that don't even comparatively analogize at all isn't helping out your case either.

I've seen Wolverine's skull. I've seen scans of people using a tiny computer projection that may or may not show the sphenoid bone (definitely doesn't reference it). I've seen plenty of times where the skull and other skulls in comics have big deep gaping black holes suggesting a hole. Chalk it up to poor anatomy awareness, we're still dealing with fiction. Throwing around real science terms as if it bolsters your "IDLI, IDH" arguments applied to about a dozen instances on-panel that support/outright display that Wolverine's brain can be penetrated isn't helping your case. I'm the only one that read these comics and thinks, well Wolverine just got shot in the brain or just stabbed himself in the brain? Don't project yourself onto every poster here.

Arguing with you on how characters square off against each other is hopelessly mired when you can't even accept the plain presentation of a comic. Sure, if you arbitrarily discount anything that makes Wolverine "look bad" and everything that makes Gamora "look good," then Wolverine wins.

But at this point, you're not arguing about the comic characters as they're presented. You're just arguing about what you like and what you don't like about comics and insisting that we accept your arbitrary notions of what constitutes evidence.

I'm about to leave so I'll make this fast.

You aren't taken into account that the greater wing of the sphenoid bone can been seen on the side of the skull where it connects to squama to from part of the temporal. In order for Wolverine to be shot through the orbital or nasal cavity he would need to be missing this bone. He isn't missing this bone. So that means we need to come to one of these conclusions: A) he is in fact missing the sphenoid bone and all examples (which far exceed the 4 examples of Wolverine's brain being penetrated) are all wrong and he can be shot through the orbital or nasal cavities, or B) having the sphenoid bone means he can't be shot through these openings and they therefor must be disregarded. It has to be one or the other, it can't be both, and how you could possibly come down on the side you have chosen is mid boggling. Option A opens all sorts of flood gates and creates a myriad of unexplainable questions and problems. The idea option B) is reasonable to you is insane.

A I am arguing for characters as they are presented, only unlike you I don't think it is reasonable to ignore 99% of a character's feats in favour of the 1% that actual supports your opinion. You say I am ignoring that makes "Wolverine "look bad" and everything that makes Gamora "look good," but the reality of the situation is that you are ignoring everything that makes Wolverine look good, and seeing as what you are doing is ignoring the vast majority of his history and cherry picking the odd example that makes him bad, I say what you are doing is far worse, and real serves as a show case to your bias.

I'd say you are ignoring examples that make Gamora look bad in favour of one that make her look good... but you haven't really presented either. You've pretty much just been saying "lol Gamora wins, youz guys is dumb!" Now, I'm not complaining, I mean it wouldn't be fair of me to ask that you show even a single example that would support the idea that Gamora is capable of winning, because having read every Gamora appearance I already know those example don't exist.

OneDumb just won my heart.

Originally posted by Konton
OneDumb just won my heart.

did he win your heart b/c of sympathy and compassion and his simple minded nature?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
b/c he doesnt no when to quit?

did he win your heart b/c of sympathy and compassion and his [B]simple minded nature?

[/B]

Insulting people now are we... 😎

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'm about to leave so I'll make this fast.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You aren't taken into account that the greater wing of the sphenoid bone can been seen on the side of the skull where it connects to squama to from part of the temporal. In order for Wolverine too be shot through the orbital or nasal cavity he would need to be missing this bone. He isn't missing this bone. So that means we need to come to one of these conclusions: A) he is in fact missing the sphenoid bone and all examples (which far exceed the 4 examples of Wolverine's brain being penetrated) are all wrong and he can be shot through the orbital or nasal cavities, or B) having the sphenoid bone means he can't be shot through these openings and they therefor must be disregarded. It has to be one or the other, it can't be both, and how you could possibly come down on the side you have chosen is mid boggling. Option A opens all sorts of flood gates and creates a myriad of unexplainable questions and problems. The idea option B) is reasonable to you is insane.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A I am arguing for characters as they are presented, only unlike you I don't think it is reasonable to ignore 99% of a character's feats in favour of the 1% that actual supports your opinion. You say I am ignoring that makes "Wolverine "look bad" and everything that makes Gamora "look good," but the reality of the situation is that you are ignoring everything that makes Wolverine look good, and you seeing as what you are doing is ignoring the vast majority of his history and cherry picking the odd example that makes him bad, I say what you are doing is far worse, and real serves as a show case to your bias.

Second underlined part: I never dismissed where Wolverine can take catastrophic damage. It is actually my acceptance of those instances which leads to me not arguing that Gamora can win via completely overloading Wolverine's healing factor. If I did arbitrarily dismiss all the times his healing factor healed catastrophic damage, I'd argue that Gamora easily overloads his healing factor. I'm not. So I didn't.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd say you are ignoring examples that make Gamora look bad in favour of one that make her look good... but you haven't really presented either. You've pretty much just been saying "lol Gamora wins, youz guys is dumb!" Now, I'm not complaining, I mean it wouldn't be fair of me to ask that you show even a single example that would support the idea that Gamora is capable of winning, because having read every Gamora appearance I already know those example don't exist.

if you read this thread you know who is actually bn insulting ppl for more then 10 pages 😬

difference i am teasing here..

not calling ppl dumb stupid fanboys.. etc etc.. either way i am asking a question not actually insulting anyone directly

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
b/c he doesnt no when to quit?

did he win your heart b/c of sympathy and compassion and his simple minded nature?

i apologize to everyone if i offended anyone with my pic and comment.. i did not intend to be insulting to anyone or violate forum rules ❌

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Np. I'll be around tomorrow. Real life biology gibberish. You can address my second post later. First underlined part: Irony.

Second underlined part: I never dismissed where Wolverine can take catastrophic damage. It is actually my acceptance of those instances which leads to me not arguing that Gamora can win via completely overloading Wolverine's healing factor. If I did arbitrarily dismiss all the times his healing factor healed catastrophic damage, I'd argue that Gamora easily overloads his healing factor. I'm not. So I didn't. Actually, I responded to you suggesting that "Wolverine beat Gamora." And I'd fully accept that if you acknowledge that "USAgent stomped Wolverine." That way, you evenly dismiss the fact that they both got distracted and sucker-hit. Otherwise: hypocrite.

Still have a few minutes - waiting for my ride

Well ****, now I completely understand. After years of debating / arguing with you, I see what your mindset is. I thought you where ignoring high end feats in favour of low feats (which pissed me off), but I was wrong, you don't come down on one side or the other (thats not strictly true - you certainly seem to think the low ends feats are more important but whatever close enough). That's weird. I don't really get how you can look at two pieces of contradictory evidence and not come down on one side or the other but say they are both valid and exist congruently. Thats what the entire KMC rule structure is about, eliminating feats that are contradictory from the majority in order to standardize a character and eliminate confusion. Siting on the fence and looking at both sides doesn't make sense, you need to come down on one side or other, and it should be pretty clear from your vantage point on that fence which side of the fence is greener so to speak.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because the question doesn't make sense. I just think his healing factor is over loaded... but its not? If his healing factor wasn't overloaded... he - you know - wouldn't be koed.

Can you please show me ONE single scan and reference when Wolverine is KO'd it's because his healing factor was overloaded. Please just show me this stated through narration. You're saying that EVERYTIME Wolverine has been KO'd it's either because of PIS if it was catastrophic.. or it was because his healing factor was overloaded. So surely there must be a scan backing up this claim of yours. What perplexes me is how you don't understand the concept of a healing factor and what it does. It heals him.. see that wasn't hard was it? Thus it is quite logical that he can be KO'd from various things that would KO others… only difference is.. he can heal from such things and varying degrees depending on the severity of the blow. The key there is HEAL…. and HF doesn't make you immune to damage or increase your durability.. It allows you to heal from injuries much faster than most. This is why he can be flash KO'd and get up very quickly. Durability and a Healing factor aren't the same things. When something hits thanos it's his durability that kicks in to prevent damage.. whatever damage occurs… his healing factor takes care of the rest. When he's injured we don't say his healing factor is overloaded..if anything it was his durability that was slightly overloaded… I didn't think these basic concept went over your head.. but clear they do…. Don't worry I won't charge you this time for basic comic book knowledge.