Originally posted by quanchi112
That's another showing where he sits atop all the top tiers and heralds so it's a normal showing for Thanos.
And Thor has numerous showings which are above Top Tier. I’ll be honest here, Thanos’ best is not above Thor’s best and most likely Superman’s best *Shines the Avalon signal*
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor ran from him. Thor knew he couldn't beat him. That's not the same thing as challenging someone like Thanos did. Not in the least.
Thor knows he could not defeat his father unlike Thanos. Thor did the exact same thing that Thanos did in his showing. He tanked Odin’s attacks without going down. The fact that Thor was doing it while not trying to fight his father and attempting to get away doesn’t really change much except how Thor views himself in comparison to Odin.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He hurt a weakened Galactus and he's never really threatened Surtur or Odin under his own power. He also needed to godblast Galactus while weakened to have a chance.
More so a statement by a misinformed writer than an actual retcon I’m pretty sure. When Thor tossed his hammer and caused pain unlike his ever known, Galactus did not give indication that he was weakened or such as far as I recall. Depends on what you mean by threaten. Thor has been able to hurt Surtur with his attacks and even bring him to his knees. His hurt Odin as well. One time Masterson Thor even bruised Odin’s face in a single hit when Loki was in Odin’s body. Although he was not %100 after the ordeals.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's hurt Celestials yeah, but he's failed to criticially hurt Thanos so your point?
My point is that every character has high showings. Using the logic that these characters cannot hurt Thanos because Odin did not put him down permanently is absolutely asinine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Raise his hand and Thor's hammer harmlessly hit the dirt.
Oh you mean the Walker arc? How would that change anything besides giving Thor a moment of inconvience?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Pip said that right before or after he said Thanos looked in real trouble to which he smiled. That means Pip's statements are crap and only his opinion since he was dead wrong.
This scene?
All Pip said was that he got nervous when Thor started pounding on Thanos like a nail (Which by the way is what we actually see happen.). This doesn’t some how invalidate his opinion and give you the excuse to ignore them; especially since it’s pretty obvious that the writer is using Pip as a narration tool. Pip is the one that confirms The Power Gem is even active in this fight to whatever extent.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Thor ko Drax with the power gem? I don't get what you mean by that statement? Are you misremembering?
When he first fought the Infinity Watch; Drax charges into Thor and Thor punches him. We see Drax on the ground apparently out of it and he doesn’t run back until a few pages later.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor has always been a minor threat to Thanos and takes him on with friends and power gems and always loses or is a nonfactor.
Do I have to list all of their physical encounters?
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was for a sense of drama and by that rationale I guess Woverine is close to Thanos. It's clear he was creating dramatic effect when they had no chance and Thanos was actually fighting horribly and still crushing them.
So because you think Thor was doing well against Thanos only for dramatic purposes, despite the fact that his ALWAYS done well against him physically, we should for some reason ignore his encounters in that arc?
Wolverine? Why? All he did was break Thanos’ skin with his claws. I do not see the problem with this. I mean it’s not as if Marvel has some problem with Thanos being cut. Especially by Wolverine.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusBut if we factor in all their showings Thor isn't even at Thanos' level. He has showings where he's going back and forth with Hulk and Herc. He has showings where he gets ko'd by far less than Thanos.
And Thor has numerous showings which are above Top Tier. I’ll be honest here, Thanos’ best is not above Thor’s best and most likely Superman’s best *Shines the Avalon signal*Thor knows he could not defeat his father unlike Thanos. Thor did the exact same thing that Thanos did in his showing. He tanked Odin’s attacks without going down. The fact that Thor was doing it while not trying to fight his father and attempting to get away doesn’t really change much except how Thor views himself in comparison to Odin.
More so a statement by a misinformed writer than an actual retcon I’m pretty sure. When Thor tossed his hammer and caused pain unlike his ever known, Galactus did not give indication that he was weakened or such as far as I recall. Depends on what you mean by threaten. Thor has been able to hurt Surtur with his attacks and even bring him to his knees. His hurt Odin as well. One time Masterson Thor even bruised Odin’s face in a single hit when Loki was in Odin’s body. Although he was not %100 after the ordeals.
My point is that every character has high showings. Using the logic that these characters cannot hurt Thanos because Odin did not put him down permanently is absolutely asinine.
Oh you mean the Walker arc? How would that change anything besides giving Thor a moment of inconvience?
This scene?
All Pip said was that he got nervous when Thor started pounding on Thanos like a nail (Which by the way is what we actually see happen.). This doesn’t some how invalidate his opinion and give you the excuse to ignore them; especially since it’s pretty obvious that the writer is using Pip as a narration tool. Pip is the one that confirms The Power Gem is even active in this fight to whatever extent.
When he first fought the Infinity Watch; Drax charges into Thor and Thor punches him. We see Drax on the ground apparently out of it and he doesn’t run back until a few pages later.
Do I have to list all of their physical encounters?
So because you think Thor was doing well against Thanos only for dramatic purposes, despite the fact that his ALWAYS done well against him physically, we should for some reason ignore his encounters in that arc?
Wolverine? Why? All he did was break Thanos’ skin with his claws. I do not see the problem with this. I mean it’s not as if Marvel has some problem with Thanos being cut. Especially by Wolverine.
Superman's best showings aren't near Thanos'. We also factor them all in so his average goes way down. Even at Superman's best he's still right there with Marvel while Thanos is above them both.
Thor backed down while Thanos did not. If you consider that the same thing I don't know what else to tell you? he ran away while Thanos charged him and disputed his superiority. Thanos also failed to go down.
It makes sense considering Ego was taking on Galactus that he was weakened. It was referenced anyways as being weakened and we have seen Galactus shitstomp Thor since so it all makes sense.
He might have an effect on odin or Surtur but he can't beat them especially if they are fighting back. They are out of his league.
Yes, he says I thought he was in real trouble but all he managed was to bloody his nose. Thor in this story and with the power gem just went through an entire time like silly putty yet Thanos took him on for pure amusement and wasn't in danger. Thanos is above Thor to the point Thor can't win a single matchup or even press him.
How is that asinine? Which showing has a character like Thor putting down Thanos? Go for it.
Drax is on the ground but isn't out. We later see him lose the gem but in a previous fight Tho couldn't ko him when he was using the power gem.
Yes, the walker arc where Thanos shows us he can just drop a hammer toss like nothing.
Go for it. Thanos has never been close to losing to any Thor under any circumstances.
The writer also acted like wolverine almost killed him, maybe. Or that cloak might defeat him? Do you honestly think thor was close to beating Thanos?
Originally posted by quanchi112You said Marvel has never defeated Superman so you lied I take it. Lots of characters get suckered but many don't fall as easily as Superman did here. The point is you lied. Marvel is right with Superman while you assume he's above him which is ignorance with nothing to really back it up.
Yes, so beating a weakened Arion with aid is actually kind of embarrassing and not something I would bring up.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And Thor has numerous showings which are above Top Tier. I’ll be honest here, Thanos’ best is not above Thor’s best and most likely Superman’s best *Shines the Avalon signal*Thor knows he could not defeat his father unlike Thanos. Thor did the exact same thing that Thanos did in his showing. He tanked Odin’s attacks without going down. The fact that Thor was doing it while not trying to fight his father and attempting to get away doesn’t really change much except how Thor views himself in comparison to Odin.
More so a statement by a misinformed writer than an actual retcon I’m pretty sure. When Thor tossed his hammer and caused pain unlike his ever known, Galactus did not give indication that he was weakened or such as far as I recall. Depends on what you mean by threaten. Thor has been able to hurt Surtur with his attacks and even bring him to his knees. His hurt Odin as well. One time Masterson Thor even bruised Odin’s face in a single hit when Loki was in Odin’s body. Although he was not %100 after the ordeals.
My point is that every character has high showings. Using the logic that these characters cannot hurt Thanos because Odin did not put him down permanently is absolutely asinine.
Oh you mean the Walker arc? How would that change anything besides giving Thor a moment of inconvience?
This scene?
All Pip said was that he got nervous when Thor started pounding on Thanos like a nail (Which by the way is what we actually see happen.). This doesn’t some how invalidate his opinion and give you the excuse to ignore them; especially since it’s pretty obvious that the writer is using Pip as a narration tool. Pip is the one that confirms The Power Gem is even active in this fight to whatever extent.
When he first fought the Infinity Watch; Drax charges into Thor and Thor punches him. We see Drax on the ground apparently out of it and he doesn’t run back until a few pages later.
Do I have to list all of their physical encounters?
So because you think Thor was doing well against Thanos only for dramatic purposes, despite the fact that his ALWAYS done well against him physically, we should for some reason ignore his encounters in that arc?
Wolverine? Why? All he did was break Thanos’ skin with his claws. I do not see the problem with this. I mean it’s not as if Marvel has some problem with Thanos being cut. Especially by Wolverine.
Good post.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
By all out you mean hiding behind his shields the entire time and pray they never get up close to him?Thor pretty much makes this a sure thing. He actually has the fire power to put Thanos down outside of the team pounding on him, and has the energy manipulation/ absorption plus defenses to really cripple Thanos.
Thor vs. Thanos? Thanos wins but Thor gives him a good run for his money.
Thor plus Superman, Captain Marvel, Hercules, and Silver Surfer vs. Thanos? Team wins pretty damn handily.
Rage Rage Rage... Thor has never been a real threat to Thanos at all. He laughs and mocks thor the majority of time they encounter each other. Thor has never one v one had Thanos in any kind of danger of losing what so ever. In fact, Thor often has help to even confront Thanos when they have met. Seems odd that if Thor was as close as you claim that help would always be around the corner. Wannna know why the help is there? Because Thor has no chance to beat Thanos.
Now onto the fight... I think Thanos takes a slim majority but it wouldn't be that easy, but he would prevail. Reason being... durability, tech and firepower. Herc is of no value here and probably one-shotted. We've seen what Thanos does to Surfer.. which again would imply he goes down after a few barrages. Surfer's durability is very comparable to all the other heralds.. yet you think they will last longer? Nah... A few omni directional blast and most of the rest are done for. I do agree Thor would be the last standing with Supes coming up second. HOwever, what then.. Thor is now going to beat Thanos? Lol.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Rage Rage Rage... Thor has never been a real threat to Thanos at all. He laughs and mocks thor the majority of time they encounter each other. Thor has never one v one had Thanos in any kind of danger of losing what so ever. In fact, Thor often has help to even confront Thanos when they have met. Seems odd that if Thor was as close as you claim that help would always be around the corner. Wannna know why the help is there? Because Thor has no chance to beat Thanos.
You Thanos fans act as if mocking is a sign of anything. I'd love to hear how high end you think Spider-Man is. And define mocking for me.
And the closest Thor has ever come to losing against Thanos is when Thanos failed to put down Thor after hitting him with energy attacks by surprise.
The only time Thor ever had help confronting Thanos is when he fought him with the Thing which as you know was a non factor in that fight (He might as well have been going solo.) and when Spider-Man webbed his eyes.
Uhuh.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now onto the fight... I think Thanos takes a slim majority but it wouldn't be that easy, but he would prevail. Reason being... durability, tech and firepower. Herc is of no value here and probably one-shotted. We've seen what Thanos does to Surfer.. which again would imply he goes down after a few barrages. Surfer's durability is very comparable to all the other heralds.. yet you think they will last longer? Nah... A few omni directional blast and most of the rest are done for. I do agree Thor would be the last standing with Supes coming up second. HOwever, what then.. Thor is now going to beat Thanos? Lol.
Too bad you have Thor who can absorb all the energy attacks Thanos throws at them or defend everybody else from all of his energy attacks through force fields etc. Mjolnir is a ***** ain't she? 🙁
Originally posted by quanchi112
But if we factor in all their showings Thor isn't even at Thanos' level. He has showings where he's going back and forth with Hulk and Herc. He has showings where he gets ko'd by far less than Thanos.
You mean on average? I would have agreed with you there but unfortunately no matter the incarnation or whatever external power up Thor or Thanos has, they are still able to go toe to toe with each other. Well yes. That’s a given. Thor has appeared far more and doesn’t have the luxury of having a writer literally retcon his low showings. On the flip side though, Thor has tanked attacks from beings above Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman's best showings aren't near Thanos'. We also factor them all in so his average goes way down. Even at Superman's best he's still right there with Marvel while Thanos is above them both.
I can’t argue for Superman. I’m not as knowledgeable with him as I am with Thor. I could attempt to make an argument for him but I’d be half assing it.
“Look up in the sky.”
“It’s a bird.”
“It’s a plane.”
“No, it’s BATDUDE!”
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor backed down while Thanos did not. If you consider that the same thing I don't know what else to tell you? he ran away while Thanos charged him and disputed his superiority. Thanos also failed to go down.
Thor attempted to flee because he was fighting his father. He even says as much. He wanted to leave and find away to free his father and defeat Infinity. The closest Thor does to genuinely running is after Odin downs him with his first blast, Thor goes on to dodge his second blast by flying away. I never said he didn’t. Again, there way of fighting was different but Thanos’ fight with Odin is not more impressive than what Thor did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It makes sense considering Ego was taking on Galactus that he was weakened. It was referenced anyways as being weakened and we have seen Galactus shitstomp Thor since so it all makes sense.
What do you mean? It was never stated that the Galactus Ego was taking on was weakened. As a matter of fact, it is specifically referenced that Galactus devoured an entire system and while Ego is being defeated Galactus even boasts about his power. It never said in that arc that Galactus was weakened so I don’t see how it would make sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He might have an effect on odin or Surtur but he can't beat them especially if they are fighting back. They are out of his league.
I never argued that he could beat them did I? But the ability to damage high end beings is not something that is out of Thor’s league. I’ve seen Thor harm Galactus, Celestials, and even Argus when he was tapping into the Crucible of life with his attacks.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he says I thought he was in real trouble but all he managed was to bloody his nose. Thor in this story and with the power gem just went through an entire time like silly putty yet Thanos took him on for pure amusement and wasn't in danger. Thanos is above Thor to the point Thor can't win a single matchup or even press him.
Where does he say Thanos is in real trouble? He said that after absorbing that much punishment he had thought Thanos had it but immediately went on to say that he thought Thanos got a kick out of it. It was all in the span of one panel. It doesn’t really seem to me like Pip has a low opinion of Thanos or anything. Pip genuinely seems to think Thanos is a beast.
Well, Thor has apparently temporarily knocked him out or stunned him in the Infinity Gauntlet arc. That’s about as much as Thanos has done to him which was bringing Thor to his knees with multiple blasts.
Originally posted by quanchi112
How is that asinine? Which showing has a character like Thor putting down Thanos? Go for it.
It’s asinine because you’re using a very high showing as some sort of center piece of your argument. You basically said the team loses as they will not be able to phase Thanos because Odin did not permanently put him down.
That’s akin to me saying, “Thor utterly stomps Thanos as he has hurt beings above Thanos a fair bit and has tanked more than Thanos can dish out.”.
Thor knocked out Hela with a hammer throw in her own realm.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Drax is on the ground but isn't out. We later see him lose the gem but in a previous fight Tho couldn't ko him when he was using the power gem.
What makes you think he isn’t out? His literally lying there and we don’t see him again for 5 entire pages. It would be one thing if he disappeared and we didn’t see him for a time. If that was the case I wouldn’t even think he was harmed but fell under the standard “Person vs. Team” rule but we literally see him down.
What do you think happened? Drax dropped his contacts?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the walker arc where Thanos shows us he can just drop a hammer toss like nothing.
Thanos can stop a hammer toss using either telekinesis or a force field (It wasn’t clear which.). I never argued that he could not.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Go for it. Thanos has never been close to losing to any Thor under any circumstances.
It would take to long. I never said Thor has ever beaten Thanos. The most Thanos has done to Thor outside of using the Infinity Gauntlet etc. is down him and in turn the most Thor has done to Thanos is down him (Or if your like Bran, take it as him being temporarily knocked out.). Outside of that they’ve gone toe to toe with each other.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer also acted like wolverine almost killed him, maybe. Or that cloak might defeat him? Do you honestly think thor was close to beating Thanos?
Adam Warlock said that Wolverine would be the last person he would have thought to be the one to deliver the death blow after Wolverine jumped at Thanos when he wasn't looking. All Starlin did was have Wolverine pierce Thanos and Thanos was clearly not injured in any significant way as he just looked at Wolverine and smiled. I really don't see the problem there. Wolverine pierced Thanos skin but Thanos was not harmed in any significant way. That somehow invalidates Thor's showings in that arc how? I mean Marvel has no problem with bone claw Wolverine cutting Thanos I don't see the problem here.
I don't recall the cloak scene and I am too lazy to look it up.
