Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
His basically a slightly stronger (At peak his stronger in my opinion. Nothing really noticeable though.), faster, more agile, more versatile version of Hercules who can fly and has better recuperative powers.
Namor admitted that Hercules is stronger already. Just saying.
Where is that Namor vs. Pineapple Thing incident from, Subby? That's a pretty damn uber showing for Namor.
Same here. When I saw that I said damn.
Originally posted by tkitna
Namor admitted that Hercules is stronger already. Just saying.
When? The closest incident I can think off is the time Hercules pushed through a beam underwater that Namor said he could not or something similar. I recall it vaguely and it's been a while so I'm hesitant as to whether this was what you were talking about.
In their first fight Hercules seemed to have the advantage on land but Namor had the advantage underwater. In the end though it seemed that they were equal when both are at full power. In another incident, Namor definitely had the strength edge against Hercules underwater.
In my opinion, Hercules would have the edge on land but Namor would have the edge underwater. Although I think Namor has the greater strength advantage underwater than Hercules has above land (If Namor is hydrated of course.).
Originally posted by tkitna
Same here. When I saw that I said damn.
Yea. I would have said "no" to even Thor, Superman or Hulk being able to do that unless they were high end. It's rather impressive.
Originally posted by 753
1 yeah it's pis and what is this about SS conscience?2 take a look at their high end showings and you'll see the temperatures they can reach, did they even bother going nova on him? Even if his skin is absolutely heatproof and survives intact, wich is unlikely, any of them could cook him alive inside it. SS has assimilated and released a star worth of energy and fired mountain crushing anti-matter blasts
3 lots more of the good old pis and cis, sometimes the author also gives namor plot device electric powers (which he looses right after the fight) that somehow interfere with sue, although it has also been suggested by namor that it is her emotions that cripple her. With the SS's mentality, skrull physiology and no PIS, namor is done for. How long will it take him to punch through those shields? SS kills him with a thought.
4 The SS has soaked and pushed through more damage than punches like that on panel during annihilation conquest. And thing has better showings than that too. RR durability is significant, he can absorb lots of shock and impact, stretching instead of breaking.
5. sentry let him live and so did the torches
1.Sure
2.Sure
3.Fine
4.Whatever
5. Yeah, his feats mean nothing.....
we done?
kidding.........agree to disagree 😛
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oh, and the Pineapple thing one-shot feat is from The Submariner Annual #1(1991)
Originally posted by namorsubby
How so? Proof please.......
So do you guys want me to just skim through the whole thing, or would you all mind posting the scans you feel pertains directly to whatever your specific argument for this match is? or in Smurph's Case, scans that emphasize "Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers", which I've heard has become a lot more impressive.lol
Originally posted by namorsubbyhttp://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpg
How so? Proof please.......
He states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence...
Originally posted by Original SmurphThat scan is a one page origin that has him saying he uses his powers "more creatively" than the F4.
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpgHe states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence...
1. I'm pretty sure when he said "more creatively" he was implying that he uses the F4's powers to deadly effect, which they do not.(ie them showing him decapitating opponents)
2. How does that say to you that he has learned or improved upon anything ability-wise? If he's re-explaining his origin then shouldn't that mean he's been using his power "more creatively" than the F4 since the beginning? So again, how, since his fight with namor, has he imrpoved upon or honed his skill concerning the use of his powers?
Originally posted by Original Smurph
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/9656/img007fx0.jpgHe states there that he's learned to use his powers a lot more creatively than the FF. Modern Kl'rt is a different beast. He's recently used his flame powers to blind via incandescence, he's used bubble-in-brain tactics, he actually uses the shields and shapeshifting with some intelligence...
creatively... is an word klrt is using to express the fact that klrt will and can use his powers to kill...
except this is against cannon fodder.. and when has he used those same techniques against first stringers... everyone has their "hand ninja" for which they show great prowess against throwaway characters.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When? The closest incident I can think off is the time Hercules pushed through a beam underwater that Namor said he could not or something similar. I recall it vaguely and it's been a while so I'm hesitant as to whether this was what you were talking about.
Yeah, I think thats it.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg
The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes.
Originally posted by namorsubbyThat wasn't an origin retelling. That was taking place during Annihilation. He describes himself in the following page (iirc) as having been fighting for far too long. Hardly characteristic of a origin story.
That scan is a one page origin that has him saying he uses his powers "more creatively" than the F4.
His feats of recent time show him using his powers with greater effectiveness, through said creativity. He doesn't just show them off one at a time while the narration boasts about how he has all the F4 powers before being taken out by the hero, like the old days. Now that he's a semi-protagonist, he's allowed to be effective. Which has been demonstrated.
Originally posted by tkitnathat was from 1960 something.....
Yeah, I think thats it.http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg
The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes.
since then namor has had far more recent displays of superior strength to herc underwater.He's stated he's stronger underwater several times since then, and even was shown manhandling Herc underwater......I believe I've posted the examples many times, as I've had this discussion with more than one poster.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
That wasn't an origin retelling. That was taking place during Annihilation. He describes himself in the following page (iirc) as having been fighting for far too long. Hardly characteristic of a origin story.His feats of recent time show him using his powers with greater effectiveness, through said creativity. He doesn't just show them off one at a time while the narration boasts about how he has all the F4 powers before being taken out by the hero, like the old days. Now that he's a semi-protagonist, he's allowed to be effective. Which has been demonstrated.
So you're telling me just then that he wasn't explaining his origin? He told how he was created and what powers his creators gave him.
flash blinding with flame(which I'm sure johnny has done), and uses invisibility(which I'm 100% sue has done) are not examples of SS using his powers more effectively and in a more skilled way than back when he faced namor.
Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, I think thats it.http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/308/herculesunderwater2eu.jpg
The fact that it was indeed underwater and Namor himself was humbled causes it to be a good feat in my eyes.
I always assumed that the footing had something to do with it. Maybe Hercules has better leg muscles? I don't know but it's been made evident at least in my opinion who is stronger underwater. Or you can take it even straight up and say that that instance proved Namor to be inferior to Hercules underwater more evidence stacks up on the opposite being true.
