Super skrull vs. Namor

Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)

Namor claims He's stronger than Herc underwater(Incredible Hulk #107)
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg

Namor claims once more that he is stronger than Herc underwater(Incredibles Hercules #122)
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IncredibleHercules122c.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
So you're telling me just then that he wasn't explaining his origin?

He's been shown recently with greater proficiency over his powers.

Your attempt to claim that he's held that proficiency all along, while humorous, is completely baseless.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
That was his Annihilation intro.

He's been shown recently with greater proficiency over his powers.

Your attempt to claim that he's held that proficiency all along, while humorous, is completely baseless.

I was simply saying that since he was indeed narrating his own origin in the one irrelevant scan you provided, that he should've possessed greater creativity with his powers than the F4 from day one, but that's only assuming that he was actually using the term "more creatively" in the way you implied, which he wasn't at all. He simply used to term as a way of saying he uses the F4's powers to kill and they don't. That scan in no way, shape, or form implies he's gained any greater level of proficiency in his abilities over time, and especially not since his encounter with namor(Don't you think it'd be oddly specific if it did?)

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, You haven't provided anything but you own words to suggest that SS has gained any greater level of proficiency over his powers than the day he came across the avenging son.

I was simply saying that since he was indeed narrating his own origin in the one irrelevant scan you provided, that he should've possessed greater creativity with his powers than the F4 from day one, but that's only assuming that he was actually using the term "more creatively" in the way you implied, which he wasn't at all. He simply used to term as a way of saying he uses the F4's powers to kill and they don't. That scan in no way, shape, or form implies he's gained any greater level of proficiency in his abilities over time, and especially not since his encounter with namor(Don't you think it'd be oddly specific if it did?)

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I understand that your only recourse at this point is blatant belligerence, as well as what must be purposeful scan misinterpretation, so I'll just go ahead and assume that you've conceded the point if you just continue to ignore previous posts. srug

lol,please, stop it. Your grammar sounds very well-educated, yes, but that means nothing if what you're saying is absolute gibberish.lol

You know you've provided no evidence whatsoever to support your argument. The only thing that one useless scan proves and/or supports is that SS is willing to use his powers to kill, and the F4 aren't(I think we all knew that).It in no way implies that SS has learned or gained proficiency in the use of his powers over time.

Also, attempting to claim I'm simply in denial because you can't find any examples to directly support your cause is....well, childish.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Since battling Namor, Kl'rt's proficiency in using and combining his powers has become a lot more impressive. He's an entirely different character now, and far more dangerous.

here's your statement. I understand it just fine, probably because you simply keep repeating it one way or another, but you have yet to give anyone a reason to believe it. It could theoritically even be true, but you're not doing anything to prove so.

You could just do like many posters and simply leave a "SS stomps" or "SS FTW" without engaging in discussion. That'd be just fine and acceptable but this.....this is not the way to go.....not at all.lol

Originally posted by namorsubby
Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)

Namor claims He's stronger than Herc underwater(Incredible Hulk #107)
http://s378.photobucket.com/albums/oo227/wilcat92/Namora/?action=view&current=IncredibleHulk107-013.jpg

Namor claims once more that he is stronger than Herc underwater(Incredibles Hercules #122)
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Battles/IncredibleHercules122c.jpg

I really couldnt care either way who's stronger, but your scans dont hold much clout in my opinion. You posted three scans of Namor boasting how strong he is, but none of them have Hercules agreeing. The first scan has Hercules being sarcastic while breaking Namors hold. The other two are Namor just running his mouth again. Hell, Hercules even stated in the third scan that he's beaten Namor already and Namor agreed.

Once again though, I dont care enough to go on about it and if you feel those scans equate to Namor being Hercules superior then thats fine by me.

Originally posted by tkitna
I really couldnt care either way who's stronger, but your scans dont hold much clout in my opinion. You posted three scans of Namor boasting how strong he is, but none of them have Hercules agreeing. The first scan has Hercules being sarcastic while breaking Namors hold. The other two are Namor just running his mouth again. Hell, Hercules even stated in the third scan that he's beaten Namor already and Namor agreed.

Once again though, I dont care enough to go on about it and if you feel those scans equate to Namor being Hercules superior then thats fine by me.

that statement from herc 122 threw me for a loop........because all of namor and herc's depicted fights have been stalemates, even on land, and even the fight they were engaged in in that issue. Perplexing......

Originally posted by namorsubby
So, Namor holding him in a chokehold he fails to escape while boasting that he's stronger means nothing? Also, Herc wasn't being sarcastic. It was simply his way of saying, "okay, you can hold me, so what? I've got other ways of getting loose" then he proceeds to break the ground namor stands on. oh, and where did they depict Herc breaking Namor's hold?it still apparently didn't get him lose. Idk really, the next page is just enchantress putting everyone in a maelstrom. He wasn't freed of Namor's grip in any scan I posted though, I know that much.

Ok, thats cool. I took it as Herc saying something on the lines of 'If your so strong then why can I do this?', but maybe i'm reading into it wrong. No worries.

that statement from herc 122 threw me for a loop........because all of namor and herc's depicted fights have been stalemates, even on land, and even the fight they were engaged in in that issue. Perplexing......

Off panel stuff no doubt. Anyways I would say its pretty damn close either way. Peace.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Also, attempting to claim I'm simply in denial because you can't find any examples to directly support your cause is....well, childish.

He also shows clever shield manipulation when trapping the escaping scientist/warden's ship. He combines Reed and Thing's powers in manners previously unseen, he uses Johnny's flames to go incandescent and blind (which he hadn't done before), and he uses his shields with a greater degree of intelligence- partial or total instant shield blocks for incoming fire, minor shields + flight to simulate Cannonball-style-attacks, etc. I'm just pulling from the top of my head, his recent history is chalk full of such examples.

His creative power meshing hadn't become an emphasized element of his character until around Annihilation, and continues to be emphasized since. He's become significantly more impressive, and would pose a greater threat to Namor (though really, he should have beat Namor before).

I'm assuming that, having already touched on this, and having seen you previously choose to ignore evidence blindly, this post will also be greeted with little in the way of refutation. Like I said, be that the case, I'll just interpret it as a concession that you have no logical argument that a meta-level brick can overcome Kl'rt.

Even without being dehydrated by flames, how does namor deal with an invisible class 100?
If you dont have a way to see invisible enemies and he's fighting even remotely smart the superskrull is pretty deadly.

Originally posted by khazra
Even without being dehydrated by flames, how does namor deal with an invisible class 100?
If you dont have a way to see invisible enemies and he's fighting even remotely smart the superskrull is pretty deadly.

not just invisible, he can stretch his body for more than a hundred miles and punch with the thing's strengh.

Originally posted by Nihilist
SS wrecks Namor.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Since that issue with Herc from the silver age, Namor has been shown and stated himself as the stronger underwater

Namor manhandles Herc underwater(puts him in a headlock with one arm then locks in). He says, "On land, you and I are evenly matched, Son of Zues, But you are in my element now". Herc(who is unable to break namor's hold) responds "If thou art truly the strongest in the sea, then I shall bring the ground up to meet thee(attempting to undo namor's hold by shattering the earth below, causing him to lose his footing)

Namor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Super Skrull wins.

What he said.

SS flash fries his eyes... pops his brain...

Hrm good arguments I change my vote
from 7 out of ten for namor...
To 6 out of ten for namor...

Let's take this another way
both ss and namor have taken on the ff an to my recollection it's namor that generally has the better showings not klrt...

So while klrt has some more recent higher showings against random noname aliens... Namor has the better track against the heavy hitters

Super skrull

Originally posted by namorsubby
So, Namor holding him in a chokehold he fails to escape while boasting that he's stronger means nothing? Also, Herc wasn't being sarcastic. It was simply his way of saying, "okay, you can hold me, so what? I've got other ways of getting loose" then he proceeds to break the ground namor stands on.It's impossible to be sure, but I basically saw that as Herc conceding to namor's claim. oh, and where did they depict Herc breaking Namor's hold?it still apparently didn't get him lose. Idk really, the next page is just enchantress putting everyone in a maelstrom. He wasn't freed of Namor's grip in any scan I posted though, I know that much.

that statement from herc 122 threw me for a loop........because all of namor and herc's depicted fights have been stalemates, even on land, and even the fight they were engaged in in that issue. Perplexing......

Okay, but he's not fighting Hercules. He is he going to hit an invisible opponent?

Super Skrull puts a force field around Namor and light the inside on fire. SS takes the majority.

Originally posted by rotiart
Hrm good arguments I change my vote
from 7 out of ten for namor...
To 6 out of ten for namor...

Let's take this another way
both ss and namor have taken on the ff an to my recollection it's namor that generally has the better showings not klrt...

So while klrt has some more recent higher showings against random noname aliens... Namor has the better track against the heavy hitters

but krlt is 'evil', alien and green while namor is an anti-hero. now that SS's role has been expanded and his character has received a more simpathetic portrayal, he can finally win something