Kain vs little Gauntlet

Originally posted by Burning thought
No you didnt, you gave examples of Ganons feats which are inadequate. Meh Demitri doesnt count, hes got a couple of screen prints as his storyline and a game faq translated from Japanese books.

Why are his feats inadequate? If he can survive being stabbed in the heart and head, he either doesn't need them, or they're too tough to harm like that. Hell, Ganondorf could survive without a body, and create a new one a minute later. Kain can't do shit to him.

Its not assumption, Kain is using magic not physical force. This is an assumption however, your making an assertion and not backing it up. They have no resistance to it at all, they have not even faced anything like it, they die.

I don't think you understand this. He is using magic to create a physical force. Making a hole in skin would require breaking the skin. The characters in this thread have very tough skin, and have shown resistence to magical forces. The way you're arguing, you seem to think Kain creates a magical portal inside someone's body and drains blood through that.

Featless spells with accurate power and meaning vs a Ganon who has no resistances=dead Ganon. And "disintegrating evil beings" is no more a feat than "draining blood" is for Blood shower. He is weak to it because he has no idea what it is, he loses his soul, gets frozen in time or loses his blood and wont have a chance to defend.

YouTube video

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Phantom Ganon totally annihilated by light arrows. You have your damn feat.

Every character in the thread stomps Kain...

Originally posted by The Scenario
Why are his feats inadequate? If he can survive being stabbed in the heart and head, he either doesn't need them, or they're too tough to harm like that. Hell, Ganondorf could survive without a body, and create a new one a minute later. Kain can't do shit to him.

I don't think you understand this. He is using magic to create a physical force. Making a hole in skin would require breaking the skin. The characters in this thread have very tough skin, and have shown resistence to magical forces. The way you're arguing, you seem to think Kain creates a magical portal inside someone's body and drains blood through that.

YouTube video

1:40

Phantom Ganon totally annihilated by light arrows. You have your damn feat.

Their inadequate because he has nothing to say he is faster, better reaction time, more resistant to soul/blood draining etc. Kain can take his soul or just freeze him in time, Kain could do with a new statue for lulz. Or Kratos could just you know, freeze Ganon with the Gorgon head and shatter him.

Theres nothing stated anywhere that he uses magic to create a physical force, the target is the blood not a body. I dont know how he does it exactly, whether the spell splits the body open or its strong enough to pull blood through the smallest pores in the human body I dont know. Fact is Kains spell sprays blood towards him and nothing about durability is mentioned.

Ok so whats Phantom Ganons feat, not that this matters. Kains not using divine energy to attack Ganon, hes using soul powers and curses of blood.

Their inadequate because he has nothing to say he is faster, better reaction time, more resistant to soul/blood draining etc. Kain can take his soul or just freeze him in time, Kain could do with a new statue for lulz. Or Kratos could just you know, freeze Ganon with the Gorgon head and shatter him.

Theres nothing stated anywhere that he uses magic to create a physical force, the target is the blood not a body. I dont know how he does it exactly, whether the spell splits the body open or its strong enough to pull blood through the smallest pores in the human body I dont know. Fact is Kains spell sprays blood towards him and nothing about durability is mentioned.

Ok so whats Phantom Ganons feat, not that this matters. Kains not using divine energy to attack Ganon, hes using soul powers and curses of blood.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, the master sword froze time in Hyrule, where Ganon was sealed, and Ganon escaped just fine. Time power resistance!?!
He has a pile of feats for speed and reaction, which you ignore. Also, Kratos is on Ganon's team, GJ with the failure. Furthermore, Ganon's got powerful magic resistance, and Kain's spells are all featless.

You cannot simply assume things to make Kain stronger, that's now how it works. Featless magic is featless. Show me it bypassing durability?

Both featless.

Show me Ganon canonically resisting being frozen in time. No, I have seen them and their useless or gamepaly mechanics. Kratos is on Ganons team from the start silly, you forget Kain has 3/4 ways he can steal one or alll team members, ofc if you had played the LoK games you would know this. Ganons got very little magic resistance types and those he does have resistance against, Kain does not use.

I know, hence why I dont assume. Durability is not a factor.

Their not featless, they have canon actions silly and thats taking blood, taking souls and freezing in time.

Show me Ganon canonically resisting being frozen in time. No, I have seen them and their useless or gamepaly mechanics. Kratos is on Ganons team from the start silly, you forget Kain has 3/4 ways he can steal one or alll team members, ofc if you had played the LoK games you would know this. Ganons got very little magic resistance types and those he does have resistance against, Kain does not use.

I know, hence why I dont assume. Durability is not a factor.

Their not featless, they have canon actions silly and thats taking blood, taking souls and freezing in time.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, since Ganon's only weakness is somethign he's been hit with, has feats, and he can still resist it, and Kain's spells are all featless, G.G.

You assume it's not.

They have no feats, are featless.

So your saying he has no resistance against Kains spells? ok, didnt think he did.

Why would I assume it is, or even bring it up when its not mentiond or hinted to in the game? by your logic I can assume all of a sudden that Kain being a vampire is a factor for Ganon not being able to harm him durlaugh

Ofc they have feats, draining blood and taking souls, gj ignoring evidence as usual.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So your saying he has no resistance against Kains spells? ok, didnt think he did.

Why would I assume it is, or even bring it up when its not mentiond or hinted to in the game? by your logic I can assume all of a sudden that Kain being a vampire is a factor for Ganon not being able to harm him durlaugh

Ofc they have feats, draining blood and taking souls, gj ignoring evidence as usual.

Ganon resists them all with ease, the spells have no feats, he does. GJ. His weakness, you know, something SUPAR EFFEKTIVE, has feats, is more powerful than Kain's spells, and he resests that.

Terrible strawman. This is like me assuming, because it isn't said otherwise, that a super mushroom lets Mario eat souls. It's that illogical.

Those aren't feats, that's just what they do, to normal people. Not feats. No one here's a normal person, all are more durable and more resistant to magic, these abilites have never worked on anyone even a little resistant or durable, hence, featless, and useless.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Worst strawman ever.

Ganon resists them all with ease, the spells have no feats, he does. GJ. His weakness, you know, something SUPAR EFFEKTIVE, has feats, is more powerful than Kain's spells, and he resests that.

Terrible strawman. This is like me assuming, because it isn't said otherwise, that a super mushroom lets Mario eat souls. It's that illogical.

Those aren't feats, that's just what they do, to normal people. Not feats. No one here's a normal person, all are more durable and more resistant to magic, these abilites have never worked on anyone even a little resistant or durable, hence, featless, and useless.

Not really.

He has never resisted spells like this. His weaknesses, which is something Kains not even using is irrelevant.

Your the one bringing it up,desperatly bringing up random and unmentioned things to try and protect Ganon.

What something does is a feat, and none are more resistant to this magic as they have no resistances. Ganon gets his soul ripped out as his body goes white with loss of blood. Then he goes into a seizure for the lulz. Kain could just mind control him and have him dance in the time it takes Kratos to slowly get to kain.

He has never resisted spells like this. His weaknesses, which is something Kains not even using is irrelevant.

FACTS:
1. Light arrows has feats, and is powerful.
2. Light arrow is super effective.
3. Kain's spells have no feats, and are not super effective.
4. Ganondorf resists light arrows, despite them being super effective and powerful.
5. Ganon is not weak to Kain's spells.

Going by the facts, Kain's spells are useless.

Your the one bringing it up,desperatly bringing up random and unmentioned things to try and protect Ganon.

What something does is a feat, and none are more resistant to this magic as they have no resistances. Ganon gets his soul ripped out as his body goes white with loss of blood. Then he goes into a seizure for the lulz. Kain could just mind control him and have him dance in the time it takes Kratos to slowly get to kain.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I hope you're being dense on purpose.

FACTS:
1. Light arrows has feats, and is powerful.
2. Light arrow is super effective.
3. Kain's spells have no feats, and are not super effective.
4. Ganondorf resists light arrows, despite them being super effective and powerful.
5. Ganon is not weak to Kain's spells.

Going by the facts, Kain's spells are useless.

No, I'm bringing up your fallacious assumptions. You assume it bypasses durability, where does it say this? It. Doesn't.

Obvious trolling. This is the hundredth time you've posted info you yourself know to be false.

No I am being extremely clever, your the one being short sighted and ignoring evidence as usual.

1. Irrelevant, Kain does not use light as a weapon.
2. See above
3. Their more effective as unlike divine/light magic, Ganon has no resistance to having his soul ripped or his mind and blood raped.
4. Irrelevant.
5.He is. Very weak and totally defenceless.

Going by facts, Ganons feats of resistance are useless.

I am not assuming anything, the target of blood shower is blood, it succeeds at this against any opponent in the game other than a boss. I see no reason why I I would bring up durability which is not mentioned, its not like anything is being physically hit.

Nope, its just an amusing use of powers Kain possesses. And whats best is Ganon can do nothing.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No I am being extremely clever, your the one being short sighted and ignoring evidence as usual.

1. Irrelevant, Kain does not use light as a weapon.
2. See above
3. Their more effective as unlike divine/light magic, Ganon has no resistance to having his soul ripped or his mind and blood raped.
4. Irrelevant.
5.He is. Very weak and totally defenceless.

Going by facts, Ganons feats of resistance are useless.

I am not assuming anything, the target of blood shower is blood, it succeeds at this against any opponent in the game other than a boss. I see no reason why I I would bring up durability which is not mentioned, its not like anything is being physically hit.

Nope, its just an amusing use of powers Kain possesses. And whats best is Ganon can do [b]nothing. [/B]

1. Relevant, it's super effective, Kain's spells are not.
2. See above.
3. Ganon doesn't resist divine light/magic, he's *weak* to it, and still resists it's effects. He is NOT weak to Kain's magic.
4. Relevant. Light Arrows > Kain's magic in power and effectiveness.
5. Ganon is immune to Kain's featless and weak spells.

You are assuming. So, because a sword doesn't mention durability, it bypasses durability? Lol.

None of those would even work on Ganondorf, who doesn't even need a physical body, and could possess and puppet Kain.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
If this passes for cleverness to you I'm losing my faith in humanity. 😐

1. Relevant, it's super effective, Kain's spells are not.
2. See above.
3. Ganon doesn't resist divine light/magic, he's *weak* to it, and still resists it's effects. He is NOT weak to Kain's magic.
4. Relevant. Light Arrows > Kain's magic in power and effectiveness.
5. Ganon is immune to Kain's featless and weak spells.

You are assuming. So, because a sword doesn't mention durability, it bypasses durability? Lol.

None of those would even work on Ganondorf, who doesn't even need a physical body, and could possess and puppet Kain.

Yes well, I am far more intelligent than you are so my deeper and more logical thinking is probably fuddling you. Perhaps I should use simpler methods?

These 5 points are just copying and pasting your rubbish, without even replying to what I said.

If it does not mention durability, then theres no reason to bring up durability. And were talking of blood shower, if were talking about the sword then the case is still on soul devouring magic. Why bring up durability when the target is a non physical spirit? illogical 🙄

They would all work on a featless dorf, and if he tries to turn into that dark mist and attack Kain then he loses the only thing your trying to reach for, his durability.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes well, I am far more intelligent than you are so my deeper and more logical thinking is probably fuddling you. Perhaps I should use simpler methods?

These 5 points are just copying and pasting your rubbish, without even replying to what I said.

If it does not mention durability, then theres no reason to bring up durability. And were talking of blood shower, if were talking about the sword then the case is still on soul devouring magic. Why bring up durability when the target is a non physical spirit? illogical 🙄

They would all work on a featless dorf, and if he tries to turn into that dark mist and attack Kain then he loses the only thing your trying to reach for, his durability.

You have no answer to the five points, concession accepted.

You're making an assumption to benefit Kain, no assumptions.

Dorf isn't featless, and in that form has no body for Kain to even cast a spell on. GG.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're more intelleigent than me? haermm Righto.

You have no answer to the five points, concession accepted.

You're making an assumption to benefit Kain, no assumptions.

Dorf isn't featless, and in that form has no body for Kain to even cast a spell on. GG.

Glad you agree

They were answered in the post you ignored beforehand, although Ill take your concession considering you have no new argument and your only argument is irrelevant. If you cant think of anything better Ganons hopeless.

I am making no assumptions, you are. Their illogical ones considering the target of each spell as well, lol.

The targets his soul so unless you can prove his soul is just as invisible as he is then be my guest.

Glad you agree

They were answered in the post you ignored beforehand, although Ill take your concession considering you have no new argument and your only argument is irrelevant. If you cant think of anything better Ganons hopeless.

I am making no assumptions, you are.

LoK doesn't ever mention gravity, but it seems to function. Durability does too.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, sarcasm.

Nah, I answered your responses, and you have no counter, you did not counter, I win. 😄
No, really, you're making an assumption.

LoK doesn't ever mention gravity, but it seems to function. Durability does too.

Aleady countered, poor copout is poor.

Durability does function, only when its logically required. otherwise Ganon cant possess anyone, hes not done it to anyone durable! 😆

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Bt, you can't call anything on what Ganondorf can or can't do, you don't even play the series. Ganondorf has some of the best speed feats in Hyrule. All recent encounters with him, he's had periods where he's completely untouchable unless something else distracts him. Reflexes that make lightning look like molasses.

Teamed up with Kratos and Demitri, there really is no opening at all for Kain to take advantage of.

Didn't the thread end here?

Aleady countered, poor copout is poor.

Super effective+more powerful = Ganon can resist it.
Not effective+No feats = Ganon can ignore it entirely.

Durability does function, only when its logically required.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Didn't the thread end here?