Kain vs Team

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If you're talking about the sword, it has to break the skin to steal a soul. This I remember. Controlling Bowser's blood seems rather pointless and impossible, as there are two other people Kain has to deal with at the same time.

This is never said or even implied and Kain has two spells to take souls, not just a sword. Its also illogical to think skin has to be broken due to the fact Kain is taking the soul, nothing to do with the flesh. And pointless? why, it would just send it to his heart, killing him instantly, or to his brain or to clog up his arteries. He wouldnt have a chance and if Kain drinks some he gains bowsers physical stats.

Assuming Kain makes it the round three, he will stop there. The instant he goes mist form, Ice Mario will skate through it and freeze the liquid molecules solid, or Articuno will vie flying through the mist. So long Kain. 131

Yeh, assuming Kain doesnt just reform on top of either and kill them then and there.

How would he have time to do something like that? Mario and Articuno's ice powers are instantaneous, the minute they get within range the mist will freeze. Kain might be able to reform part of the mist before he is completely frozen, but that still leaves him in quite a bad state.

And so is Kains transformation. He could change the instant they even get close. Not that they would, a great steaming bird and a man made of ice running at you is a bit obvious. Kain shatters ice mario and I dont know about Articuno, not sure of its powers.

Its also illogical to think skin has to be broken due to the fact Kain is taking the soul, nothing to do with the flesh.

When has it ever taken a soul without breaking the skin, for arguments sake?

Not that he doesn't get owned in the first round though.

Steaming? Where did you get that from? Articuno is an Ice pokemon. Also, please show evidence of the speed of Kain's reformation.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Steaming? Where did you get that from? Articuno is an Ice pokemon. Also, please show evidence of the speed of Kain's reformation.

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Originally posted by XanatosForever
Steaming? Where did you get that from? Articuno is an Ice pokemon. Also, please show evidence of the speed of Kain's reformation.

It turns moisture in the air into snow, its going to be constantly creating some kind of vapour. And i was sniped.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When has it ever taken a soul without breaking the skin, for arguments sake?

Not that he doesn't get owned in the first round though.

Its not. That doesnt mean that Kain is wrong however, only that it just so happens to be an impalement that Kain favours in combat.

Not that you could argue that though right?

Originally posted by Burning thought
This is never said or even implied and Kain has two spells to take souls, not just a sword. Its also illogical to think skin has to be broken due to the fact Kain is taking the soul, nothing to do with the flesh. And pointless? why, it would just send it to his heart, killing him instantly, or to his brain or to clog up his arteries. He wouldnt have a chance and if Kain drinks some he gains bowsers physical stats.

Great, now do tell how they work and how he'll do them before Kessler shoots him or Ridley is in his face.

To drink Bowser's blood, Kain has to get it out of him. Not happening.

Its not. That doesnt mean that Kain is wrong however, only that it just so happens to be an impalement that Kain favours in combat.

'Kain' is wrong? Are you getting confused between you and him? And if he hasn't ever done something then he can't do it. Why would it even need to be a sword if it can just take the soul whenever?

Not that you could argue that though right?

Dante is too fast for Kain to ever stand a chance of hitting and is versatile to beat seven shades of shit into him, from what I can tell the sword can't pierce Kratos' skin and Kratos is also versatile enough to kick Kains ass and Kain has no hope of putting Mercer down. THe three working in tandum will pwn him.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Great, now do tell how they work and how he'll do them before Kessler shoots him or Ridley is in his face.

To drink Bowser's blood, Kain has to get it out of him. Not happening.

not sure if theres a vid of blood shower on youtube, all I can say is that they are all more or less instant casts.

Based on what? there are many places blood can get out from in a body, durability does not stop blood from reaching Kain. Durability is unaffected by Kains magic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Kain' is wrong? Are you getting confused between you and him? And if he hasn't ever done something then he can't do it. Why would it even need to be a sword if it can just take the soul whenever?

Dante is too fast for Kain to ever stand a chance of hitting and is versatile to beat seven shades of shit into him, from what I can tell the sword can't pierce Kratos' skin and Kratos is also versatile enough to kick Kains ass and Kain has no hope of putting Mercer down. THe three working in tandum will pwn him.

Kain points out that his reaver takes souls on strike. Kain already has a spell to take a soul from range on the fly, its a sword because it takes souls on strike as Kain says. Not on pierce, which is an unfounded assumption not really supported by anything.

Not true, Dante is fast but not "too" fast and Dantes not that strong either. Cant pierce Kratos' skin? so what? and Kratos is going to kick Kains ass when kains teleported far beyond his reach? good job....Mercer is nearly as bad.

Kain points out that his reaver takes souls on strike. Kain already has a spell to take a soul from range on the fly, its a sword because it takes souls on strike as Kain says. Not on pierce, which is an unfounded assumption not really supported by anything.

You're twisting semantics to your own ends and Kain is a fallible character anyway. What he says is not fact. Unless theres actual proof that Kain doesn't need to pierce the skin, Kain can't. And is it Kain taking the soul or the Soul Reaver in this long range version?

Not true, Dante is fast but not "too" fast and Dantes not that strong either. Cant pierce Kratos' skin? so what? and Kratos is going to kick Kains ass when kains teleported far beyond his reach? good job....Mercer is nearly as bad.

Dante is waay too fast for Kain and much stronger. If Kain can't pierce his skin he can't take his soul, not that he could anyway. And what pray tell would Kain running away accomplish? Kain can't put Mercer down, Mercer will eventually put Kain down.

Originally posted by Burning thought
not sure if theres a vid of blood shower on youtube, all I can say is that they are all more or less instant casts.

Based on what? there are many places blood can get out from in a body, durability does not stop blood from reaching Kain. Durability is unaffected by Kains magic.

Blood Shower doesn't work on things with durability.

Bowser taking a supernova. For it to not disintegrate him every part of his body is incredibly durable. Kain's magic still has to do damage. Fire causes burns, whether it's magical fire or not. You know this.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
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So I assume the moments where Kain is dashing and faded out is supposed to be the mist form?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Blood Shower doesn't work on things with durability.

Bowser taking a supernova. For it to not disintegrate him every part of his body is incredibly durable. Kain's magic still has to do damage. Fire causes burns, whether it's magical fire or not. You know this.

based on what evidence?

Him taking a supernova does not mean his blood cannot be sprayed throughout his body and cause him to go into cardiac arrest, or make his heart explode. Your trying to claim his blood has some sort of resistance just beacuse he took a little supernova (its not a real supernova, the "sun" was just a lump of magma, not that large.). Yeh I do know this, and Blood shower does not make "burns", it just calls blood and opens the body through sorcery, theres no physical strike involved.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You're twisting semantics to your own ends and Kain is a fallible character anyway. What he says is not fact. Unless theres actual proof that Kain doesn't need to pierce the skin, Kain can't. And is it Kain taking the soul or the Soul Reaver?

Dante is waay too fast for Kain and much stronger. If Kain can't pierce his skin he can't take his soul, not that he could anyway. And what pray tell would Kain running away accomplish? Kain can't put Mercer down, Mercer will eventually put Kain down.

Falliable? hes using a weapon and claiming what it does on first hand knowledge, how is he falliable? And no, you still need to prove your assertion, that Kain has to pierce skin to take souls. The Soul reaver if he strikes with the sword, Kain rips a soul out using Soul rip spell.

Not based on feats, based on feats Dante is bested by slower attacks from vergil rather than quicker ones and could not dodge an impalement from Vergil that kain can do quicker. It would allow him to use his blood manipulation spells and TK from range to kill Kratos in one move, and Kratos has shown blunt durability, how much PSI he can take is unknown. lol mercer? hes just a lump of viral matter, just rip him apart until he loses his matter. The blood and soul powers would work here as well.

Kain can stop them all from moving using TK alone, especially Dante. Mercer may be able to get free using one of his forms. Kain can get out of their reach in a few teleports only to rip their souls and blood from them. Its all easy stuff. Also considering Kain>you, Kain just uses dimentional teleport, 1 move says he beats them all, taking their souls with every strike.

Hey, 3:31 shows Kain teleporting, and it takes time. HM!

In a cutscene, no less.

InDEED! And cutscenes > gameplay.