HOM Wanda vs. Thanos w/ IG

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your whole basis is it cannot otherwise why bring it up. You made the claim but it's my opinion it's more powerful than the un so I don't see why not but then again the burden is on you. It's the only hand you have to play so if you cannot prove it I win.

If you just want to rely on what actually happens in comics:

Instantly destroying/recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. You're whole basis is that it can match it. Using an infantile no limits fallacy and absolutely no proof. And then pretending to shift the burden on me by using a negative proof fallacy. So, fine. Let's use quanchilogic: you can't prove the UN can't accomplish an even more exponentially powerful feat than it already has. Therefore, UN still wins and you still lose.

If you just want to rely on what actually happens in comics:

Instantly destroying/recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking over single 616 universe.

Quit making claims you refuse to back up.

^ You have an actual comparison that is made irrelevant because (i) Quasar wasn't contending with the IG's power, (ii) UN fired a tiny sphere of nullification, and (iii) the UN's true power so far was revealed to be exponentially greater than anybody ever thought in a later storyline.

Or... I can just use quanchilogic and tell you that we have an actual comparison that Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power. So long as you arbitrarily and desperately ignore a later storyline that reveals their true power. Just like you're trying with Abraxas. Your arguments are utterly self-defeating. Try to salvage some dignity.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You have an actual comparison that is made irrelevant because [b](i) Quasar wasn't contending with the IG's power, (ii) UN fired a tiny sphere of nullification, and (iii) the UN's true power so far was revealed to be exponentially greater than anybody ever thought in a later storyline.

Or... I can just use quanchilogic and tell you that we have an actual comparison that Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power. So long as you arbitrarily and desperately ignore a later storyline that reveals their true power. Just like you're trying with Abraxas. Your arguments are utterly self-defeating. Try to salvage some dignity. [/B]

^ No. You just claimed that the IG could match it with no proof. Using an infantile no limits fallacy, which is beaten by an infantile no limits fallacy that the UN can wtfpwn omniverse/LT/TOAA. And you still lose. Furthermore, I don't have to prove it can't. That's a transparently desperate negative proof fallacy. Which if I use on you, means you haven't yet proven that the UN couldn't wtfpwn omniverse/LT/TOAA. And you still lose.

Your own quanchilogic. Have fun with it. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No. You just claimed that the IG could match it with no proof. Using an infantile no limits fallacy, which is beaten by an infantile no limits fallacy that the UN can wtfpwn omniverse/LT/TOAA. And you still lose. Furthermore, I don't have to prove it can't. That's a transparently desperate negative proof fallacy. Which if I use on you, means you haven't yet proven that the UN couldn't wtfpwn omniverse/LT/TOAA. And you still lose.

Your own quanchilogic. Have fun with it. doped

But since you aren't claiming the ig couldn't do so then what else do you have which leads us to believe it's more powerful?

^ Hey. You claimed the IG can match it. Or, at least I thought you did. If you don't claim that, then there's no argument whatsoever. Why must I even consider whether that's wrong if you didn't claim it in the first place?

Since you aren't claiming the IG can even match the UN's power, I guess you concede the UN is more powerful thant hte IG. Good job. You surprised even me with how quick this quaneuver ended your equivocations. /clap

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Hey. You claimed the IG can match it. Or, at least I thought you did. If you don't claim that, then there's no argument whatsoever. Why must I even consider whether that's wrong if you didn't claim it in the first place?

Since you aren't claiming the IG can even match the UN's power, I guess you concede the UN is more powerful thant hte IG. Good job. You surprised even me with how quick this quaneuver ended your equivocations. /clap

If you aren't going to say this is the basis for your whole argument then you concede the debate.

^ Galactus' power has already wrecked Odin going all-out on-panel. Sorry if you weren't aware. And the IG's power never contended with the full power of the UN. Just a tiny sphere of nullification.

Since you won't even claim that IG is as powerful as UN, then what are you arguing about? Nothing. Have fun trying to digest how you managed to do that. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Galactus' power has already wrecked Odin going all-out on-panel. Sorry if you weren't aware. And the IG's power never contended with the full power of the UN. Just a tiny sphere of nullification.

Since you won't even claim that IG is as powerful as UN, then what are you arguing about? Nothing. Have fun trying to digest how you managed to do that. doped

So is it your claim the ig couldn't contend with it's power? I have an on panel comparison which you seem to conveniently ignore when you want to.

^ Had Odin shot out a tiny sphere of Odinpower without knowing he's even fighting Galactus' power, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. Yes. Now you're getting it! doped

I don't need to claim that, since you won't claim that the IG can demonstrate as much power as the UN. The argument is won. Until then, continue to believe Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power as long as you arbitrarily ignore entire storylines.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Had Odin shot out a tiny sphere of Odinpower without knowing he's even fighting Galactus' power, it wouldn't be a fair comparison. Yes. Now you're getting it! doped

I don't need to claim that, since you won't claim that the IG can demonstrate as much power as the UN. The argument is won. Until then, continue to believe Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power as long as you arbitrarily ignore entire storylines.

I don't have to claim it since you can't base your argument on the fact it can't and yet I have an on panel comparison.

^ Yeah. Exactly. Quasar wasn't even trying to use the UN's full power. He purposefully limited it. Just a tiny sphere of nullification to do the job. Now you're getting it! /clap

Why do I have to make an argument here? You won't even claim that the IG is as powerful as the UN. I'm good with that. Concession accepted. 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. Exactly. Quasar wasn't even trying to use the UN's full power. He purposefully limited it. Just a tiny sphere of nullification to do the job. Now you're getting it! /clap

Why do I have to make an argument here? You won't even claim that the IG is as powerful as the UN. I'm good with that. Concession accepted. 👆

The ig wins based on it's actual comparison but you use double standards all the time on here and it grows tiring.

^ Yes, he used a less powerful blast, i.e., a tiny sphere. Because he didn't want a more powerful blast threatening anything else. dur

You don't claim the IG is as powerful as the UN after looking at what UN did in the Abraxas arc... so what is there to contend with? I'm good. Concession accepted. 👆

Keep scratching your head over how you ended up that way. doped

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yes, he used a less powerful blast, i.e., a tiny sphere. Because he didn't want a more powerful blast threatening anything else. dur

You don't claim the IG is as powerful as the UN after looking at what UN did in the Abraxas arc... so what is there to contend with? I'm good. Concession accepted. 👆

Keep scratching your head over how you ended up that way. doped

I don't have to because it doesn't overide a direct comparison.

When you decide to debate like a debater and actually back up your claims get back to me.

^ Yes it is less powerful: (i) limiting the extent and size; (ii) delaying the effect of the blast; (iii) and not recreating anything... is using less power of the UN.

Especially when you're trying to compare it to an instantaneous Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation. Quasar limited the power building up within the UN, because he wanted to limit it to just Magus.

UN's true power accomplished an exponentially greater feat than any the IG has. So your comparison is worthless, just like repulsor ray's >>> Gems' power was worthless when the Gems' true power was revealed. So unless the IG can surpass the feat, it's not more powerful. Do you claim that the IG can surpass the feat or not?

Because you are now refusing to do so. And I'm good with that. stoned

OneDumb is ending Quan good.

The power of the UN was never limited by Quasar or anyone,
especially since the UN doesn't vary in power.
The UN nullifies it's target with the same energies, be it a mouse or an area on a cosmic scale.

Quasar limited the size of the nullification sphere,
which has absolutely nothing to do with the potency of its power.
It does however have to do with the amount of area being affected.

The IG stomped (in one move) the same being the UN remade.

The IG never remade the Multiverse because of the three 616 IG wielders,
none ever wanted to do so, or needed to either. 😬

Thanos literally only wanted 616.
Warlock didn't want any Universe.
Nebula didn't have the mental capacity to survive with the IG,
and this mental hadicap allowed even Warlock to surpass her omniscience.
Something that was stated on panel by Warlock himself would NOT have worked with Thanos.

TOAA itself had to place the second restriction on the Gems.
The LT himself for one moment had to gauge his own power to see if it could surpass the IG.
The IG was stated on panel by several beings including abstracts to make the wielder "God/Omnipotent/Supreme" within the same story the UN resides.
Heck even Starlin in a Marvel Age interview stated that the IG makes one GOD!

That aside, in a direct confrontation an incomplete IG pwnd the UN.
where even the writer clearly points out
that the "word Ultimate" (UN) "holds little weight" against the IG.
That right there stamps the truth about what the IG next to the UN is.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see what's so laughable about it. In a face to face confrontation Thanos takes a majority due to skill, control, intelligence, and stability but if we're comparing raw power and scope of effect Thanos has nothing on Wanda.