HOM Wanda vs. Thanos w/ IG · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Prove what? Why do I have to prove anything when you won't even claim that the IG is powerful enough to match the UN's greatest feat? Stop yipping at my heels.
Actually, you pick one feat. Magus owning Quasar. And you wish to ignore everything else. Which would be like me seizing upon Ironman destroying the Star Gem. So take that hypocrisy sticker and staple it to your own forehead, mkay?
For anyone who thinks a tiny sphere of nullification uses as much power as a Multiverse-wide instant destruction/recreation, here's the truth: that's retarded.

In a direct comparison with both artifacts ig was superior so for for your feat to override a comparison you need to prove the ig couldn't do so because otherwise it's a feat the un did simply because the ig wasn't in the story. This is all so simple and yet you don't even understand how to debate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I used a fact. But you wouldn't understand those. kinda

What fact?

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^ And when the UN's true power was revealed, it was so powerful, it accomplished an exponentially greater feat than any the IG has. Sorry, but acting like Abraxas didn't happen is like suggesting repulsor rays pwn Gems' power. Cause that's what it did before the Gems' true power was revealed. Try and not ignore entire storylines, m'kay?

Instantaneous Marvel Multiverse destruction/recreation. Try to keep up. kinda

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ And when the UN's true power was revealed, it was so powerful, it accomplished an exponentially greater feat than any the IG has. Sorry, but acting like Abraxas didn't happen is like suggesting repulsor rays pwn Gems' power. Cause that's what it did before the Gems' true power was revealed. Try and not ignore entire storylines, m'kay?
Instantaneous Marvel Multiverse destruction/recreation. Try to keep up. kinda

That doesn't matter because an actual comparison and a writer backed up the idea there's no comparison at all. The ig makes you supreme with unlimited power so you just have a nice feat in which the ig played no part so you have nothing that overrides the actual comparison.

The abraxas event did occur but with the kind of power the ig is capable of and how it's been compared on panel I see the ig being able to replicate it. You can't change the actual comparison which has the ig>>>over the un.

The un has always been capable of such things no one dared to do it beforehand but reed knew it needed to be done. Laughs....Like he just figured out his true power, you need to reread the end of the arc or the scans you put up because you still don't get it.

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^ Of course, the UN's true power doesn't matter. Only when the UN's power is limited does it count. Retarded. Fine, Gem's power gets pwned by Ironman's repulsor rays. Infinity Sagas don't count. kinda

No proof. Just a no limit fallacy. So I'll use no proof and a no limit fallacy and suggest that the UN is exponentialyl more powerful than it already demonstrated. And you still lose.

UN was never capable of recreation. Much less whole Marvel Multiverse recreation. Instantly. Don't be ignorant.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Of course, the UN's true power doesn't matter. Only when the UN's power is limited does it count. Retarded. Fine, Gem's power gets pwned by Ironman's repulsor rays. Infinity Sagas don't count. kinda
No proof. Just a no limit fallacy. So I'll use no proof and a no limit fallacy and suggest that the UN is exponentialyl more powerful than it already demonstrated. And you still lose.
UN was never capable of recreation. Much less whole Marvel Multiverse recreation. Instantly. Don't be ignorant.

You acted as if it's true power was just discovered. Are you serious?

The scans make it clear reed knows full well what it's capable of and that it's a given to take Abraxas out of the situation. Where in the arc did they learn the true power of the un? Where?

Again, we have an actual comparison so to suggest somehow the un becomes magically more powerful you need to prove the ig couldn't replicate the feat or else you have nothing.

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^ Yeah. Because never was it suggested that the UN could nullify the whole dang Marvel Multiverse before Abraxas. And nowhere was it even hinted that it could actually recreate the whole dang Marvel Multiverse. Don't be ignorant.

Yes. And Thanos revealed the true power of the Gems at the beginning of Thanos Quest. Wee.

Again, repulsor rays >>> Gems' power. So long as you ignore an entire storyline or two. Sorry, I don't speak "no limit fallacy" or "negative proof fallacy."

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. Because never was it suggested that the UN could nullify the whole dang Marvel Multiverse before Abraxas. And nowhere was it even hinted that it could actually recreate the whole dang Marvel Multiverse. Don't be ignorant.
Yes. And Thanos revealed the true power of the Gems at the beginning of Thanos Quest. Wee.
Again, repulsor rays >>> Gems' power. So long as you ignore an entire storyline or two. Sorry, I don't speak "no limit fallacy" or "negative proof fallacy."

That's just a really impressive showing. Reed realized what he had to do he didn't just discover the un's true power. I have no idea where you think this stuff up.

Thanos did discover the true power of the gems while the un still nullifies with power which hasn't changed. The un's power didn't change one bit just the scope.

Now how can you ignore the actual on panel comparison these two had?

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^ It's called, nowhere was it suggested that the UN was capable of instant Marvel Multiverse destruction or recreation until it actually happened. Don't be ignorant.

So the Star Gem represents the Gems' true power because the Gems' inherent power never changed either? So Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power? M'kay. kinda

How can you ignore Ironman pwned the Gems' power with a single blast?

Stoic Avenger

Nearly 250 responses for something as simple as, Thanos with the gems could overturn anything that the Scarlet Witch could do? How has this been going on for this long? I don't mean to come across as a smart ass but seriously now, Thanos punked Eternity, or at least the avatar of him. In my honest opinion, Wanda is out of her league here, and I mean severely.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's called, nowhere was it suggested that the UN was capable of instant Marvel Multiverse destruction or recreation until it actually happened. Don't be ignorant.
So the Star Gem represents the Gems' true power because the Gems' inherent power never changed either? So Ironman's repulsor rays >>> Gems' power? M'kay. kinda
How can you ignore Ironman pwned the Gems' power with a single blast?

The scale changed not the power. The actual abilities of the gems changed along with the power and it was fully explained. The un can recreate as well but it's function hasn't changed and can still nullify basically anything save the ig, etc.

You really tend to downplay comparisons while focusing on one time feats you can't prove or disprove. How convenient. I think words like supreme and ultimate power perfectly describe the ig.

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^ A marble-sized tiny sphere =/= Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast. Seriously. Both nullify. That's the only similarity. The difference in size, scale, speed of effect and the fact one recreated what it nullified means the latter was more powerful. Exponentially so. This isn't hard. 1) Nullifying a marble... 2) nullifying/recreating the entire damn Marvel Multiverse. Latter is more powerful. Any suggestion to the contrary is retarded.

You really tend to get disarmed at the sight of your own quanchilogic turned back onto you. To the point where you have to switch gears for three-four posts before reverting back to the original argument. I know it's not easy dealing with such stupidity. Lord knows, I empathize. But according to you, the Gems' power was never upgraded. So the Star Gem getting pwned by Ironman counts. Embrace the quanchilogic. Tis quite a double-edged sword indeed.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ A marble-sized tiny sphere =/= Multiverse-wide destruction/recreation blast. Seriously. Both nullify. That's the only similarity. The difference in size, scale, speed of effect and the fact one recreated what it nullified means the latter was more powerful. Exponentially so. This isn't hard. [b]1) Nullifying a marble... 2) nullifying/recreating the entire damn Marvel Multiverse. Latter is more powerful. Any suggestion to the contrary is retarded.
You really tend to get disarmed at the sight of your own quanchilogic turned back onto you. To the point where you have to switch gears for three-four posts before reverting back to the original argument. I know it's not easy dealing with such stupidity. Lord knows, I empathize. But according to you, the Gems' power was never upgraded. So the Star Gem getting pwned by Ironman counts. Embrace the quanchilogic. Tis quite a double-edged sword indeed. [/B]

So if the un nullifies Odin or the Midgard serpent which do you think would require more power to do so.

You seem so obsessed with size equating power but that's just funny to me. Do you think the blast that Galactus used to obliterate three star systems was superior to a concentrated smaller blast he might use against one opponent?

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^ Whichever requires more speed, size, range, and power and has to nullify more.

Yes. Galactus obliterating three star systems is a more powerful blast than him obliterating a small moon. That was quite possibly the stupidest question anybody has ever asked me. That's... that's an achievement.

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Now let's ask you: what's a more powerful optic blast by Cyclops? One that destroys a house or one that destroys a mountain?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Whichever requires more speed, size, range, and power and has to nullify more.
Yes. Galactus obliterating three star systems is a more powerful blast than him obliterating a small moon. That was quite possibly the stupidest question anybody has ever asked me. That's... that's an achievement.

So a mightier being who is harder to defeat means nothing to someone the size of say Ego iyo? Just wanting to feel out where you are coming from here at this point?

I think Galactus obliterating three star systems and more was less powerful than say the Thanos blast where he actively tried to use his power and concentrate it on Thanos. The weakened blast really failed to kill many beings and to me you got it wrong. How amusing.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Now let's ask you: what's a more powerful optic blast by Cyclops? One that destroys a house or one that destroys a mountain?

Collateral damage isn't indicative or how powerful a blast. If the blast is aimed directly at a character it won't achieve the same collateral damage as a spread out blast intended to encompass all in it's path. Common sense.

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^ So when Cyclops blows up a car and blows up a mountain. They're both the same power? Say that outloud. I will quote this. Say it if you truly believe it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So a mightier being who is harder to defeat means nothing to someone the size of say Ego iyo? Just wanting to feel out where you are coming from here at this point?
I think Galactus obliterating three star systems and more was less powerful than say the Thanos blast where he actively tried to use his power and concentrate it on Thanos. The weakened blast really failed to kill many beings and to me you got it wrong. How amusing.

Odin will likely throw out more energy and is much faster than Midgard Serpent, so UN would have to nullify more and would have to do it faster. Don't feel anything out. Use common sense: what would take more power, 1) nullifying a marble... or 2) nullifying the entire Marvel Multiverse and then recreating it?

That's retarded. Cyclops shoots hole in a dime. Cyclops shoots a hole in a mountain. Which optic blast was more powerful?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So when Cyclops blows up a car and blows up a mountain. They're both the same power? Say that outloud. I will quote this. Say it if you truly believe it. Odin will likely throw out more energy and is much faster than Midgard Serpent, so UN would have to nullify more and would have to do it faster. Don't feel anything out. Use common sense: what would take more power, [b]1) nullifying a marble... or 2) nullifying the entire Marvel Multiverse and then recreating it?
That's retarded. Cyclops shoots hole in a dime. Cyclops shoots a hole in a mountain. Which optic blast was more powerful? [/B]

Your example has nothing to do with my question at all. I think the mountain is the more impressive one of the two.

Both are standing still and not trying to avoid it. To me the un just nullifies it doesn't differentiate how much power is required to do so anyways. Everything you post in this thread gets weirder and weirder.

I see the scale changing while the nullification stays the same. It nullifies what it hits the power required to do so doesn't vary from being to being but you claim it does. Wow.

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^ Good job. You just completely eviscerated your entire argument. Also, Ironman >>> Gems' power. kinda

One more time! Which takes more power: 1) nullifying a marble, or 2) nullifying and then recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse? crackers

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Good job. You just completely eviscerated your entire argument. Also, Ironman >>> Gems' power. kinda
One more time! Which takes more power: [b]1) nullifying a marble, or 2) nullifying and then recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse? crackers [/B]

Actually I didn't. You claimed it varies which is baseless but then again your entire argument is based on ignoring comics and assuming the ig cannot do what the un did in a story. It's like saying Thor is stronger than the Hulk because of the world engine feat. You are taking one feat and making it the focus of your entire argument and acting as if the un is more powerful when you can't prove it anyways. What's even worse is we already have an actual comparison with both in the same story, a writer expanding on it, and the ig being referred to as absolute power and supreme. The un has never once been referred to in such a manner.

The power doesn't change the scale does. This is all so simple to grasp.