Think of the UN as a backspace on a keyboard. If I press it once, I can destroy either a single letter or an entire page of letters. Same amount of power required, same effect (nullification), different scale. I think this is what people arguing that the UN uses the same power in both situations mean.
Originally posted by aristoraptorYes.But if said power can "break" the backspace it no long can nullify.
Think of the UN as a backspace on a keyboard. If I press it once, I can destroy either a single letter or an entire page of letters. Same amount of power required, same effect (nullification), different scale. I think this is what people arguing that the UN uses the same power in both situations mean.
Originally posted by aristoraptor
Think of the UN as a backspace on a keyboard. If I press it once, I can destroy either a single letter or an entire page of letters. Same amount of power required, same effect (nullification), different scale. I think this is what people arguing that the UN uses the same power in both situations mean.
Originally posted by aristoraptor^ Deleting a single letter of a single sentence would be akin to Quasar's feat.
Think of the UN as a backspace on a keyboard. If I press it once, I can destroy either a single letter or an entire page of letters. Same amount of power required, same effect (nullification), different scale. I think this is what people arguing that the UN uses the same power in both situations mean.
Erasing every letter of an infinite page novel by clicking "select all" in conjunction with pressing the "backspace" key, would be akin to Reed's feat.
Originally posted by Omega VisionAll it takes it a little bit more work to highlight the page.If someone has a little more concentration then they can erase more with the UN.But IG has more versitility so it wins against UN's sheer force.
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Yes and deleting an entire highlighted page is not the same as deleting a single word even though the basic process is similar.
I see some are trying to use unrelated analogies to define the UN, lol.
What I don't see is anyone posting a single piece of evidence
that even suggests the UN operates on various levels of power.
Simple ...
The Ultimate Nullifier is a Marvel comics production,
it has never ever been depicted shifting levels of potency to get the job done.
The UN uses one method,
it releases a nullification sphere that erases and/or recreates space-time.
This "nullification sphere" looks the same is the same no matter what size it is.
This "nullification sphere" can ONLY have ONE difference,
it can be expelled as a concentrated beam and/or sphere to attack a specific target
or it can be used in an omni-directional fashion, therefore erasing everything in its path.
In the end, what happens?
A specific target is erased, or an entire reality is erased.
Same result, same shit is the conclusion. (nullification)
Even in the Quasar scenario, it is known, had Quasar not concentrated on Magus,
he could've easily erased the Universe around him,
instead of just the intended target which was Magus.
Quasar never said, "oh, let me power down the UN,
or let me adjust the potency of nullification, or" ... bah yall get the picture.
What Quasar did do, was limit the size of the nillification sphere in order to attack one individual,
therefore avoiding erasing anything elase (including the Universe) which the same sphere was capable of.
heck, Quasar even states, "can't let the sphere mushroom out of control" 😬
This literally supports what I'm saying, well that and the fact that there's no proof to contradict this.
The UN Handbook bio makes NO mention of any variations of power/potency either.
Originally posted by Black bolt zFirst off what does only affecting one universe have to do with being less powerful? If Odin can affect the mulitverse and the ig cannot does that make Odin more powerful? Think about it.
Well the IG has been shown to be more than universal.The IG has been said to be the ultimate force/power(I can't remember exactly).It being more powerful doesn't mean it has the most force.I'm not saying the IG couldn't replicate it's feat.I'm just saying that I don't believe it is quite that powerful.
Originally posted by Galan007The power levels of the un doesn't vary. If it does then please prove it.
This thread is ridiculous. Obviously nullifying an infinite amount of infinite universes, nigh-instantly would require FAR more energy output then nullifying a 1" x 1" square of space....I'm not too blinded by my own bias to see that.
Originally posted by Galan007
This thread is ridiculous. Obviously nullifying an infinite amount of infinite universes, nigh-instantly would require FAR more energy output then nullifying a 1" x 1" square of space....I'm not too blinded by my own bias to see that.
What's up my friend? Let me ask you this as it seems people have misrepresented my argument and lumped me into other people's argument. All I have argued and will continue to argue as there is zero on panel proof to the contrary is the nullification properties/power to anything. My point is this... if you nullify a person or a planet the nullifcation properties applied to said item are the same. In other words it nullifies them using the same properties it nullifies a planet with. With same forces are applied to each item it nullifies. Yes if you are erasing a multiverse more energy is needed to cover something on a grander scale. Yet increasing output and range of the nullification to cover more space doesn't mean you also increase the nullifcation properties as to nullifying something more potently. That remains the thus. Thus when Magus WTF pwn said nullifcation he fought the same exact potent nullification properties as any other time. Even quasar said he needed to focus on Magus or the universe could be erased. He needed to keep the mushroom smaller or else that would happen. Hmmmmmm that fits perfectly with what I'm saying... Same direct nullification properties were needed to be overcome no matter what. That sphere quasar released had the potency to erase a universe if not directed only at Magus
Furthermore, as pointed out.. Death was erased using a tiny sphere of nullifcation... even less in scale than the one against Magus. That single tiny sphere erased the concept of death. Thus size doesn't really equate to much of anything. The nullification properties and potency remains a constant. The target is nullified. Period. On the one hand ODG says oooo well it erased the concept of death thus the size of the sphere doesn't matter as it was clearly still large in scale. The flip side to that is that the sphere directed at Magus could've been equally as potent and trying to erase the concept of magus or even trying to erase the IG itself. So again trying to say this tiny sphere is less potent than this other tiny sphere without ANY proof is kinda silly in my opinion.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThank you!!!Finally someone finally explained it in a way ODG can understand.
What's up my friend? Let me ask you this as it seems people have misrepresented my argument and lumped me into other people's argument. All I have argued and will continue to argue as there is zero on panel proof to the contrary is the nullification properties/power to anything. My point is this... if you nullify a person or a planet the nullifcation properties applied to said item are the same. In other words it nullifies them using the same properties it nullifies a planet with. With same forces are applied to each item it nullifies. Yes if you are erasing a multiverse more energy is needed to cover something on a grander scale. Yet increasing output and range of the nullification to cover more space doesn't mean you also increase the nullifcation properties as to nullifying something more potently. That remains the thus. Thus when Magus WTF pwn said nullifcation he fought the same exact potent nullification properties as any other time. Even quasar said he needed to focus on Magus or the universe could be erased. He needed to keep the mushroom smaller or else that would happen. Hmmmmmm that fits perfectly with what I'm saying... Same direct nullification properties were needed to be overcome no matter what. That sphere quasar released had the potency to erase a universe if not directed only at MagusFurthermore, as pointed out.. Death was erased using a tiny sphere of nullifcation... even less in scale than the one against Magus. That single tiny sphere erased the concept of death. Thus size doesn't really equate to much of anything. The nullification properties and potency remains a constant. The target is nullified. Period. On the one hand ODG says oooo well it erased the concept of death thus the size of the sphere doesn't matter as it was clearly still large in scale. The flip side to that is that the sphere directed at Magus could've been equally as potent and trying to erase the concept of magus or even trying to erase the IG itself. So again trying to say this tiny sphere is less potent than this other tiny sphere without ANY proof is kinda silly in my opinion.
Also to quan:When did I say it was only universal?It has affected more than one universe.I just don't think it has enough sheer power to destroy the multiverse which is(i'm not exactly sure the exact amount of universes)more than 2 universes.
Originally posted by Black bolt zWhat makes you think it is lacking in power?
Thank you!!!Finally someone finally explained it in a way ODG can understand.Also to quan:When did I say it was only universal?It has affected more than one universe.I just don't think it has enough sheer power to destroy the multiverse which is(i'm not exactly sure the exact amount of universes)more than 2 universes.
I would not believe that the UN stayed static in power, excepting one thing: Quasar stated (and in other comics as well) that losing his concentration would take out the universe. This makes me think that no matter what it's being fired at, the power to destroy a whole universe is inherent in every shot.
Originally posted by quanchi112No I didn't.I forget which thread this was said in but it is like this.If I have a vest of dynamite(nullifier)and you have the IG(magnum)it is no doubt I have more firepower.Also I will make a much bigger boom.But you will most likely kill more b4 I have a chance to us eit.
What does that have to do with which is more powerful? You just equated scale to power.
The IG wielders:
Thanos only wanted the 616 Reality.
Nebula was mentally unstable and couldn't harness the true power of the IG.
Warlock didn't want any universe.
This is why the IG never performed full blown multiversal feats.
Originally posted by Black bolt zNo I didn't.I forget which thread this was said in but it is like this.If I have a vest of dynamite(nullifier)and you have the IG(magnum)it is no doubt I have more firepower.Also I will make a much bigger boom.But you will most likely kill more b4 I have a chance to us eit.
The IG is the raw power of the Infinity Being,
and that's the entity that created the Omniverse (including the LT) to begin with.
The IG stomped in one move an entity that holds entire UniverseS in one hand,
past/present and future,
an entity that kills and re-births entire UniverseS all day every day,
an entity that can re-create all UniverseS,
an entity that is forever and contains all power across the temporal axis
and at the time he fought Thanos, even along the spacial axis as well.
The Power Gem alone was a threat to a good portion of all that is Eternity & Infinity,
according to Eternity himself.
The Soul Gem alone erased an entire Timeline from existence.
The IG is a far more potent force than even 30 Cosmic Containment Units combined.
TOAA itself had to interfere in the IG saga
by personally placing the restriction on the union of the Gems.
The LT was only able to surpass the IG
because he came as a direct representative of TOAA's power.
Warlock confirmed this when he said:
"I was ordered by a representative of one who is above even Gods"
Suggesting that it is TOAA that is above the IG
and the LT coming as his representative by default puts him above as well.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThe ig is infinite in power and was only less than the Lt. I don't even think the Lt would pause in a confrontation with the un like he did against the ig.
No I didn't.I forget which thread this was said in but it is like this.If I have a vest of dynamite(nullifier)and you have the IG(magnum)it is no doubt I have more firepower.Also I will make a much bigger boom.But you will most likely kill more b4 I have a chance to us eit.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's not infinite power if something is above it.LT is above it.Beyonder is above it.HOTU is above it.Post-retcon Molecule man might be above it(i'm not exactly sure where he ranks on the cosmic scale).
The ig is infinite in power and was only less than the Lt. I don't even think the Lt would pause in a confrontation with the un like he did against the ig.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThere are varying levels of infinite power in marvel. It's right below Lt.
It's not infinite power if something is above it.LT is above it.Beyonder is above it.HOTU is above it.Post-retcon Molecule man might be above it(i'm not exactly sure where he ranks on the cosmic scale).