Pokeverse v.s. FFverse

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I almost forgot to ask, "Who are all these galaxy raping pokemon everyone keeps mentioning?" Seriously I stopped caring after Hoenn so I wouldn't know.

Funny how nobody mentions what Zeromus or Hell Emperor Mateus contribute in this fight.I personally don't know what they could do but those two had to do something awesome.

For the Pokemon side however, Celebi could go back in time and kill all the FF characters before they became threats couldn't it.

Yeah, Celebi could, but so could Dialga.

Its body is entirely hollow. When it opens its mouth, it sucks everything in as if it were a black hole.

lolz

Dusclops is hax.

Ruby Dex:

Dusclops's body is completely hollow - there is nothing at all inside. It is said that its body is like a black hole. This Pokémon will absorb anything into its body, but nothing will ever come back out.

Sapphire Dex:

Dusclops absorbs anything, however large the object may be. This Pokémon hypnotizes its foe by waving its hands in a macabre manner and by bringing its single eye to bear. The hypnotized foe is made to do Dusclops's bidding.

Some food for thought..

Arceus Dex entries.

It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.

It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world.

MEGALULZ! haermm

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
K, I just found out that Chaos himself was the main boss of FF1.

Pokeverse needs Arceus.

Though if Dissidia Chaos and Arceus were allowed, it would make no difference, Chaos would destroy Arceus. Multiversal reality warping>>>Creating a universe.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
According to the pokedex:
-It has complete control of time.
-Time flows as it's heart beats.
-Time began when Dialga was born.
-Independantly busts universe in Diamond.

Ultimecia's never compressed time with time actively resisting. 😐 There's no way to say who's definitively stronger, so stalemate is the only logical conclusion, even though Dialga is essentially the god of time. Doesn't matter though, because a stalemate = no compression. Dialga's also shown it can work [b]with Palkia.

Palkia
-"Its total control over the boundaries of space enable it to transport itself to faraway places or even other dimensions."
-Independantly busts teh univarse in Pearl. [/B]

Ultimecia;s control is greater by feats.

Nah, Ultimecia with the full Sorceress Powah is stronger, absorbs universe, compresses time, and doesn't afraid of anything.

Ultimecia in her final form, and as such the form in this thread, was essentially the goddess of all time and space. So she is Palkia and Dialga in one. 🙂

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
2. Find me something that says Time naturally remains connected to Space? And yes, prove to me that Ultimecia can compress time and space while something pulls back. The Pokedex states it as having total control over the flow of time. It also can send people through time, so Dialga could probably just send these people billions of years ahead, to the end of the universe even.

So the Void has to touch things to erase them, then yeah, it's easily cut off from the rest of space and gets BFR'd.

3. I don't have to, because resisting time compression cannot be proven to be any more than just above marriage, which to be honest isn't really impressive at all. 🙂

Well until then you hadn't really given any way that it can be stopped, because it hadn't even been said how it was stopped in it's own universe. We take away Ganondorf's invulnerability anyway, but if it hadn't been stated how he was killed then we'd assume one of two things:

1. All it takes is something slightly greater than the best thing he's been hit with to be killed.
2. He's totally invulnerable to harm.

The first one is the better option, and nothing happens to have attempted to resist the Void, or cut it off. Same with Ultimecia, nothing has resisted it.

Please tell me how Palkia will be able to contain the entirety of the Void in one space and seal it off from the rest of space when it can easily traverse realities? The very fact that it dimension hops means that Palkia cannot seal it off in a pocket dimension, and the Void would not be in some small isolated area, it would be erasing the entire universe. Twice, considering that is actually what Cloud of Darkness would be doing as well.

3. The love for one's child is above the vast majority of Pokemanz relationships. 🙂 And the FFVIII crewz love and friendship bonds are above even that, it was not said that you have to merely be moar loving and friendshippy than the average marriage, it was stressed you had to actively make your wuv and fwendship moar powaful than Time Compression. Which they did. Pokeverse has no feat to rival that. 🙂

He can't be killed. He makes that very clear. "As long as life and death exist, so shall I." As a matter of fact, it is not even clear if the party really won from what I remember, only that they made him decide to not render existence to nothingness like he was going to.

Awwww what's the matter? Is t3h Moocow sad that the Pokemanz cannot kill Necron so we gotta nerf him? 🙂

Maybe because resisting a universe erasing void is not a particularly easy thing to do. Actually super leet friendship and love have resisted it. That is it though. Nothing has attempted to resist Dialga's control over time either, nor Palkia's control over space, Ultimecia has control over both, I guess it is not very hard to do. 😐

Although really, **** Time Compression, that was really only used to Ultimecia could acquire the entire Sorceress Power, she starts in that form by default in this thread per forum rules, so she just absorbs the universe off the bat.

Ultimecia is Palkia and Dialga in one, it is not so much that Ultimecia can beat them as it is they cannot fight her, Neo Exdeath, Cloud of Darkness, and Necron at the same time.

Edit: Oh, and only the FF side would have to die for Necron to be killed.

But yeah, we've hit the point where everything's turning theoretical and we're approaching quantum physics.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Find me something that says it does not. 😐 We are dealing with so many theoretical concepts right now that to even argue it is folly, what makes you think the time in that space would be torn from it? Ultimecia is Palkia and Dialga in one, it is not so much that Ultimecia can beat them as it is they cannot fight her, Neo Exdeath, Cloud of Darkness, and Necron at the same time. Send what people? Send an abstract concept? Send a being who is also a goddess of time? Send the embodiments of a reality beyond time? Yeah no.

Please tell me how Palkia will be able to contain the entirety of the Void in one space and seal it off from the rest of space when it can easily traverse realities? The very fact that it dimension hops means that Palkia cannot seal it off in a pocket dimension, and the Void would not be in some small isolated area, it would be erasing the entire universe. Twice, considering that is actually what Cloud of Darkness would be doing as well.

3. The love for one's child is above the vast majority of Pokemanz relationships. 🙂 And the FFVIII crewz love and friendship bonds are above even that, it was not said that you have to merely be moar loving and friendshippy than the average marriage, it was stressed you had to actively make your wuv and fwendship moar powaful than Time Compression. Which they did. Pokeverse has no feat to rival that. 🙂

He can't be killed. He makes that very clear. "As long as life and death exist, so shall I." As a matter of fact, it is not even clear if the party really won from what I remember, only that they made him decide to not render existence to nothingness like he was going to.

Awwww what's the matter? Is t3h Moocow sad that the Pokemanz cannot kill Necron so we gotta nerf him? 🙂

Maybe because resisting a universe erasing void is not a particularly easy thing to do. Actually super leet friendship and love have resisted it. That is it though. Nothing has attempted to resist Dialga's control over time either, nor Palkia's control over space, Ultimecia has control over both, I guess it is not very hard to do. 😐

Although really, **** Time Compression, that was really only used to Ultimecia could acquire the entire Sorceress Power, she starts in that form by default in this thread per forum rules, so she just absorbs the universe off the bat.

2. I don't see anything that might connect Time and Space is all. I've never heard Ultimecia being called a Goddess of Time. Time Compression doesn't grant the ability to freely control. So Ultimecia gets her ass kicked because she can't compress time. A couple Rattata bite her and then some other random Pokemon finishes the job. Interesting, none of those titles seem to have any contained feats that would make them matter. Hmm...Neo Exdeath and the Void have proven to be BFR'd. You've not mentioned much of Cloud of Darkness, but that doesn't surprise me because you aren't actually giving any reasons that they might win.

3. Prove it. More powerful than Time Compression? Stop trying to use the feat to prove it's power as a feat. Time Compression < Friendship is all that means. 🙂

For KMC threads, he can be killed. So unless he has any durability feats a couple Magikarp use Tackle and he goes down. 🙂

Well if nobody has ever tried to resist it then it isn't really fair to say nothing can. I've heard dead things can stop it, so we throw a couple Ghost Pokemon at it. Problem solved.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Pokemon rules, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
... What has Adel actually done? Out of curiosity?

I mean, it was said vaguely by a fallible character she could destroy the world I think, but what else?

Pretty much what you said other than what she used in the boss fight (though she's in a weakened form since she couldn't use her full magic abilities since she was sealed for a long time).

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
K, I just found out that Chaos himself was the main boss of FF1.

Pokeverse needs Arceus.

FF1 Chaos is just Garland with the power of the four fiends. He's not the same as the one in Dissidia.

Originally posted by The Scenario

lolz

Celes can absorb things too. Dusclops would get wasted by Anima.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
2. I don't see anything that might connect Time and Space is all. I've never heard Ultimecia being called a Goddess of Time. Time Compression doesn't grant the ability to freely control. So Ultimecia gets her ass kicked because she can't compress time. A couple Rattata bite her and then some other random Pokemon finishes the job. Interesting, none of those titles seem to have any contained feats that would make them matter. Hmm...Neo Exdeath and the Void have proven to be BFR'd. You've not mentioned much of Cloud of Darkness, but that doesn't surprise me because you aren't actually giving any reasons that they might win.

3. Prove it. More powerful than Time Compression? Stop trying to use the feat to prove it's power as a feat. Time Compression < Friendship is all that means. 🙂

For KMC threads, he can be killed. So unless he has any durability feats a couple Magikarp use Tackle and he goes down. 🙂

Well if nobody has ever tried to resist it then it isn't really fair to say nothing can. I've heard dead things can stop it, so we throw a couple Ghost Pokemon at it. Problem solved.

3. Loving parents would die for their children, they try to raise their child to become something good, and want them to live better lives than they did. Plus they kind of wipe shit off their ass. That takes mad love son. B...But it does! 😱 Their love and friendship clearly was just too strong for time compression and universal destruction, prove TC and the Sorceress Power have a natural weakness to love and friendship. 🙂

"BAW! I EM MOO T3H COW AND WUNT POKEYMANZ TO WIN SOEZ I GOTTA NERF T3H OPPOSITIONZ!!!"

You clearly have no actual idea why Ganondorf's immunity to anything but the MS or Light Arrows is not allowed.

And here I thought you were one of the more intelligent ones. Do not misunderstand, still of vastly lesser intellect than me, but more than some of the vermin that infests my forum. They are indeed the dead. But that ignores their other traits. Like when they were living being able to defeat a continent erasing Exdeath. Could that not have had something to do with it? Also, once again, although everyone seems to continue to ignore this, that was not Neo Exdeath, whose control over the Void was never disputed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, since none of their powers are compatible... >| Also, Ultimecia isn't equal to both of them since each of them can destroy the universe independantly. Also, Ultimecai's TC will be halted, and then she'll get kerpwned by like.. a Dragonite or something.

Edit: Oh, and only the FF side would have to die for Necron to be killed.

But yeah, we've hit the point where everything's turning theoretical and we're approaching quantum physics.

Kay, will not happen though.

Indeed, is gheyness.

Then no one could stop Necron from then reverting the universe to nothingness, as was his original intention. TC does not matter, she still holds the entire Sorceress Power, and as such can still absorb all of time/space.

Will!

You know, you can actually reply to posts without being an idiot.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You know, you can actually reply to posts without being an idiot.

I am most certainly NOT an idiot!

In fact, my intellect is of immense proportions the likes of which the laymen could not even begin to imagine!

But I will be the bigger man and turn the other cheek at such puerile insults.

Good day sir!

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. It is called the time/space continuum for a reason. I know of no space in the universe where time is not also present. She is never called one, but that is essentially what she is, absorbing all time/space into herself but the heroes. Nah. She starts out in this thread having the entire Sorceress Power, she can still absorb the universe. None matter? An abstract concept is not a physical being, Necron only became physical when he willed himself to, he is a concept that exists as long as it does. Neo Exdeath and Cloud of Darkness embody the Void, which travels through dimension and is above the concept of time. As for Ultimecia... She cannot be sent through time because she has just as much power over it as Dialga, universal. 🙂 Show me Neo Exdeath and the Void being bfred then. 🙂 Void traverses dimensions, I do not know whether you or trolling or if you simply lack my intellect to accept this.I told you what she is. She is almost literally a female Exdeath, she embodies the Void and was going to erase the universe like he was. I have controlled this argument from the beginning cow, accept this and life shall be more comfortable.

3. Loving parents would die for their children, they try to raise their child to become something good, and want them to live better lives than they did. Plus they kind of wipe shit off their ass. That takes mad love son. B...But it does! 😱 Their love and friendship clearly was just too strong for time compression and universal destruction, prove TC and the Sorceress Power have a natural weakness to love and friendship. 🙂

"BAW! I EM MOO T3H COW AND WUNT POKEYMANZ TO WIN SOEZ I GOTTA NERF T3H OPPOSITIONZ!!!"

You clearly have no actual idea why Ganondorf's immunity to anything but the MS or Light Arrows is not allowed.

And here I thought you were one of the more intelligent ones. Do not misunderstand, still of vastly lesser intellect than me, but more than some of the vermin that infests my forum. They are indeed the dead. But that ignores their other traits. Like when they were living being able to defeat a continent erasing Exdeath. Could that not have had something to do with it? Also, once again, although everyone seems to continue to ignore this, that was not Neo Exdeath, whose control over the Void was never disputed.

2. Funny, I'm still seeing a lot of this "The Void is above Time" but nothing to actually support it. Supposedly the Void has to touch things to erase it, which it cannot do due to being BFR'd. And I'm sorry, but compressing Time does not give you total control of it, nor does Ultimecia already have the Sorceress Power.

3. Same thing again. I'll just let you see my previous response to this part. 👆

Not my fault he has to be kill-able for KMC threads. I didn't write the rules.

Well, considering it was never said how they defeated him or stopped him, no, it isn't enough.

Well since we're using the whole Final Fantasy verse, let try another crack at the Pokemon verse.

Alright we could have Cloud of Darkness or Neo Exdeath Destroy the universe and have the Occuria(XII reference..barf if you want) create another universe.

Hey, the Occuria might not have done anything in their game but they're still responcible for creating the XII verse so they are pretty much established as gods or at least in the top 10 for godly beings.

Its also very likely that there are multiple Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia. This is due to the Sinjoh Ruins event (the most epic thing in pokemon ever) in whcih Arceus creates another one of these pokemon.

Not very likely... Arceus never returned back after centuries to the earth and that was only to return just to get the jewel of life back.

That event requires Arceus to be on the stage area to create another pokemon, if he never returns for years and there are only obviously 1 of each giratina, dialga, and palkia, he never created another.