Originally posted by truejedi
You realize 4/10 for bane actually means 6/10 for luke, Red?I will take Luke. His WTF pawning of all the slayers and the head Yuzzhon Vong guy convinces me he could take Bane. Electric Judgement to the orbalisks==Death for Bane.
It protex me from crazies ranting about Luke, and gives me the option of "reconsidering my position"😉 (to more heavily favor bane) after presenting my "argument."
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I like Bane here. He won't be wtfpwning Luke with his Force offensives, but has Luke done anything noteworthy with a blade yet? Lomi Plo? That was just about overcoming the invisibility trick. And Thul was just a Force challenge, as I remember.4/10 for bane
He's gone toe-to-toe with Sidious at his peak. He's also fought through hundreds, if not thousands, of Yuuzhan Vong and then wtfpwned the best of the best Yuuzhan Vong warriors. There's plenty other stuff too, like his duels with Lumiya. Have you read much EU?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
His fight with Caedus takes place like a decade after the NJO series, so...
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
He's gone toe-to-toe with Sidious at his peak. He's also fought through hundreds, if not thousands, of Yuuzhan Vong and then wtfpwned the best of the best Yuuzhan Vong warriors. There's plenty other stuff too, like his duels with Lumiya. Have you read much EU?
Lumiya's appearances that I know about are all after NJO and all not-very-impressive.
I forgot about DE Sidious, mostly because it is eclipsed in my mind by the Caedus plotline. You're still going to have to explain how it translates into a surefire victory against Bane.
And yes. Yes I have. It is not usually a good policy to attack people based on their knowledge of EU instead of their interpretation of it. Please try not to be a jerk in the future.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
yesis any one of those warriors worth anything? If not, then we can't really say that killing a lot of them at once is going to be particularly helpful against bane.
1 slayer did fight Kyp Durron to a standstill.
DE Sidious, however, gives Luke an opponent, the ilk of which Bane has never faced.
Yes, Bane has orbalisks, but he can still be stabbed in the head. Lastly, you haven't addressed Electric Judgement yet. Bane has a weakness to force-lightning apparently.
Glentract
He's gone toe-to-toe with Sidious at his peak.
I'll address this towards the end.
Glentract
He's also fought through hundreds, if not thousands, of Yuuzhan Vong and then wtfpwned the best of the best Yuuzhan Vong warriors.
Just for DS, Luke was using a battle meld and he sucks [?].
To clarify, the Essential Guide to the Force makes it clear that Luke was the beneficiary of a Jedi battle meld with Jaina and Jacen during his assault on Shimrra's citadel.
For the record, though, it ended when one of them left it; when Jaina engaged in her pursuit of Onimi and when Jacen was knocked unconscious by Shimrra.
DS doesn't like this, but no one cares. The fact is that Luke cannot be factually said to have invaded the citadel under his own power and he did not rely on his skills alone.
Glentract
There's plenty other stuff too, like his duels with Lumiya. Have you read much EU?
He's dueled Lumiya a total of four times, I think. Twice shortly after the Battle of Endor and twice during Legacy of the Force. In either case, it's not very reliable. Not to mention that Skywalker wasn't all that impressive during either fight.
On the other hand...
Nemesis
I forgot about DE Sidious, mostly because it is eclipsed in my mind by the Caedus plotline. You're still going to have to explain how it translates into a surefire victory against Bane.
It is inarguable (yes, inarguable) that Palpatine is a far more dangerous opponent than Bane in any arena short of arm wrestling. He's smarter, more powerful, and more learned in the ways of the Force. Skywalker manhandled him in a lightsaber duel on board the Eclipse.
On the other hand, there is no evidence that suggests that Palpatine maintained his otherwise antiquated lightsaber skills between Revenge of the Sith and Dark Empire.
On the other, other hand, Palpatine apparently still saw use for a lightsaber and kept it on his person well into the original trilogy (the Force Unleashed). So perhaps he did keep up his lightsaber practice.
In any case, beating Palpatine is more impressive than anything Bane has ever or could possibly ever do.
truejedi
Lastly, you haven't addressed Electric Judgement yet. Bane has a weakness to force-lightning apparently.
Bingo.
If Bane has the orbalisks, it might not do any good; Luke has the capacity to destroy them and put Bane into a coma.
Really, what it comes down to is a consistent showing of NJO-era Luke's feats. His highest showings (beating Palpatine, etc.) eclipse Bane's showings but, to my knowledge, are far less consistent.
DS doesn't like this, but no one cares. The fact is that Luke cannot be factually said to have invaded the citadel under his own power and he did not rely on his skills alone.
GideonI was under the impression that Leia's [battle meditation?] had a hand in this.
It is inarguable (yes, inarguable) that Palpatine is a far more dangerous opponent than Bane in any arena short of arm wrestling. He's smarter, more powerful, and more learned in the ways of the Force. Skywalker manhandled him in a lightsaber duel on board the Eclipse.