Collateral Murder vid

A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks 5 April.

The worrying thing is that this is probably only the tip of the ice berg.
YouTube video

smoke 'em out

Well, Reuters is the enemy. 😛

"It's their own fault for bringing their kids to a firefight."

Wow.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, Reuters is the enemy. 😛

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Hotel
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/13/fmr_military_intelligence_officer_reveals_us

Originally posted by Bicnarok
A secret video showing US air crew falsely claiming to have encountered a firefight in Baghdad and then laughing at the dead after launching an air strike that killed a dozen people, including two Iraqis working for Reuters news agency, was revealed by Wikileaks 5 April.

The worrying thing is that this is probably only the tip of the ice berg.

yeah, its not the 1st time this sh#@ has happen.. my section prior to going to iraq were showed a cockpit pilot/spy video showing the crew laughing and commenting about a suspected insurgent... while having sex in the back of a car. this may not seem like much but we were given a paper to sign prior to viewing it b/c it had our ppl using heavy caliber rounds that are only suppose to be used on armored vehicles under our articles and rules of engagement. it was showed to us so that we would know that although we may not always follow rules that it may be necessary and best if not talked about.

the pilot was asking command if he could postpone the attack till the guy finished having sex since it would be his last act.. he was given the clear to fire whenever he was ready.. the pilot and his co pilot just laughed and commented on the nightvision video and once the guy finished they unloaded on the vehicle with machine gun fire killing the guy and the woman blowing up the car like it was tissue.

Now that's a lay.

Originally posted by inimalist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Hotel
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/13/fmr_military_intelligence_officer_reveals_us

Might be missing something, but it's a war(a poorly planned and messy one too boot); those reporters knew they were in a war-zone.

Originally posted by Robtard
Might be missing something, but it's a war(a poorly planned and messy one too boot); those reporters knew they were in a war-zone.

yup

and the American army had the hotel they were staying in being surveiled, wire tapped, and on a list of potential military targets.

then it got attacked by the American military...

Originally posted by inimalist
yup

and the American army had the hotel they were staying in being surveiled, wire tapped, and on a list of potential military targets.

then it got attacked by the American military...

The military does not fight wars to loose. That's the job of the politicians.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The military does not fight wars to loose. That's the job of the politicians.

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so we accept human rights abuses as part of warfare because "thats just the way it is"?

some sort of moral immunity because they are involved in murdering people in the first place?

Originally posted by inimalist
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so we accept human rights abuses as part of warfare because "thats just the way it is"?

some sort of moral immunity because they are involved in murdering people in the first place?

No, we don't go to war for political (stupid) reasons, but when we do go to war, we do it according to the "Art of War". You have read that book, haven't you?

so it is ok to target non-combatants because it makes it easier?

Originally posted by inimalist
so it is ok to target non-combatants because it makes it easier?

So, you have not read the book. 🙄

does the book say that targeting non-combatants is ok?

sigh.... what specifically are you referring about the art of war?

also like to point out a lot of things that were considered standard tactics in ancient time during war is now considered criminal in many civilized nations.

anyways it is sad that the children were present, the problem really comes down to the military's intel and if they were aware of the children to begin with and why did they feel that was the appropriate time to strike.

sometimes innocent ppl can and will be hurt in such situation it happens it is sad and ppl should take great pains to make sure it does not happen. my only problem would be if i were to hear these men make a comment of collateral damage well aware of the situation and still proceed to fire.

in that vid i dont see them doing anything wrong other then a few off comments from the ground troops as being completely unprofessional..

i dont see this being too serious but should be handled by their command since it was overheard.. a page 11 should be enough toward the marine who made the inappropriate comment.

I'm not going to debate any moral issues here, but are there any more videos like this out there for public viewing? This one was apparently leaked, so my guess is not.

Originally posted by inimalist
does the book say that targeting non-combatants is ok?

Success is making the winning play. The quick win leads to less death, and a prolongs war only leads to destruction of both sides. Now tell me how non-combatants fit into that?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Success is making the winning play. The quick win leads to less death, and a prolongs war only leads to destruction of both sides. Now tell me how non-combatants fit into that?

they shouldn't

if you are using such words to justify the murder of innocent people, I disagree with you and Sun Tsu.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh.... what specifically are you referring about the art of war?

also like to point out a lot of things that were considered standard tactics in ancient time during war is now considered criminal in many civilized nations.

anyways it is sad that the children were present, the problem really comes down to the military's intel and if they were aware of the children to begin with and why did they feel that was the appropriate time to strike.

sometimes innocent ppl can and will be hurt in such situation it happens it is sad and ppl should take great pains to make sure it does not happen. my only problem would be if i were to hear these men make a comment of collateral damage well aware of the situation and still proceed to fire.

i that vid i dont see them doing anything wrong other then a few off comments from the ground troops as being completely unprofessional..

i dont see this being to serious but should be handled by their command since it was overheard.. a page 11 should be enough toward the marine who made the inappropriate comment.

The Art of War was written by Sun Tzu thousands of years ago, and is still applicable today.