Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Therefore, you would agree that abortion is also murder?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Therefore, you would agree that abortion is also murder?
that is a fairly inappropriate stretch of my words, but yes, abortion is murder
because I don't believe immorality is tied to absolute statements of good and evil in the universe, im not so blind that I think there is never immoral actions that must be done
the right to abortion is a pragmatic issue to me, as, like drug use, there is no way to effectively stop it. Society is improved pragmatically by brining it into a regulated mechanism
obviously I think all war is immoral, that being said, it was necessary to stop Hitler. I still think it is of the utmost importance to recognize that it took evil to defeat evil. War is not some knight in shining armor beating up a grotesque beast, it brings out the inhumanity of all participants, and even by becomming involved, we have blood on our hands
Originally posted by inimalist
that is a fairly inappropriate stretch of my words, but yes, abortion is murderbecause I don't believe immorality is tied to absolute statements of good and evil in the universe, im not so blind that I think there is never immoral actions that must be done
the right to abortion is a pragmatic issue to me, as, like drug use, there is no way to effectively stop it. Society is improved pragmatically by brining it into a regulated mechanism
obviously I think all war is immoral, that being said, it was necessary to stop Hitler. I still think it is of the utmost importance to recognize that it took evil to defeat evil. War is not some knight in shining armor beating up a grotesque beast, it brings out the inhumanity of all participants, and even by becomming involved, we have blood on our hands
No more of an inappropriate stretch then you have made.
Originally posted by inimalist
really? where?and I guess it was less "inappropriate" and more, "I don't understand the relevance"
killing is wrong. period.
I'd kill someone if I had to, but the act is still wrong
Then there is no reason for it to be wrong. It is a black or white way of thinking that leads to this.
There are times when it is appropriate to kill, and times when it is not. We make the choice, and we have done so.
i knew a marine who lost a rank b/c he refused to open fire on a vehicle with a family in it when he was ordered to..
turned out the family weren't insurgents nor were they suicide bombers...
he was a sniper and he refused to ever follow orders blindly after his 1st incident when they open fire on a bus full of innocent ppl...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then there is no reason for it to be wrong. It is a black or white way of thinking that leads to this.There are times when it is appropriate to kill, and times when it is not. We make the choice, and we have done so.
yes, there is a reason for it to be wrong
I am causing harm to a person against their will, that is, imho, the definition of immoral. Regardless of how much material reality may justify this, it does nothing to reduce the harm, and therefore, make it any more moral.
Also, I don't believe in black and white morality. Killing people is a fairly extreme example, especially given we are talking about the potential deliberate targeting of innocent non-combatants.
Originally posted by inimalistare you a bible thumber? 😕
yes, there is a reason for it to be wrongI am causing harm to a person against their will, that is, imho, the definition of immoral. Regardless of how much material reality may justify this, it does nothing to reduce the harm, and therefore, make it any more moral.
Also, I don't believe in black and white morality. Killing people is a fairly extreme example, especially given we are talking about the potential deliberate targeting of innocent non-combatants.
Originally posted by inimalist
yes, there is a reason for it to be wrongI am causing harm to a person against their will, that is, imho, the definition of immoral. Regardless of how much material reality may justify this, it does nothing to reduce the harm, and therefore, make it any more moral.
Also, I don't believe in black and white morality. Killing people is a fairly extreme example, especially given we are talking about the potential deliberate targeting of innocent non-combatants.
If you look at it from a personal point of view, I agree with you. I left the army because I realized that I could not kill. However, from a larger point of view, within the lawful aspect of war killing is not immoral. This may seem to be a contradiction, but it is no more of a contradiction then allowing abortion.
Originally posted by inimalistyou seem to be very set in your concept of morality which is fine but it seems like it is also very black and white.
no, I don't believe in religion
for example you think killing is wrong and immoral, i on the other hand think that killing is acceptable and also okay in certain situations especially doing war.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you seem to be very set in your concept of morality which is fine but it seems like it is also very black and white.for example you think killing is wrong and immoral, i on the other hand think that killing is acceptable and also okay in certain situations especially doing war.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
So I take it you don't agree with the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan?
/sigh
morality is not the same as necessity
whether the bomb needed to be dropped or not is inconsequential to whether it was moral
this is not a black or white view of morality, but rather one that says we can at least talk about moral consequences to actions