Pokemon v.s. Final Fantasy, with less speculation!

Started by FinalAnswer37 pages
Originally posted by LLLLLink
For me, the words "tiring", "alzheimer's", "stubborn" and "pity" come to mind.

Or just "British"

..Not really :/ TPLink may have shown GG level strength once vs Dorf [Gorons being much less then that] and only shows his fast speed when spinning and nowhere else.. Semi-related as its a squeal but not a direct sequel, like different Links years or decades separate from each other. One same character and all.

Besides getting GG strength level there's; was the strength of GG used in that scene, was he caught off-guard, is Ganon stronger then Dorf, blah. And none of those can be officially proven only strongly theorised.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The Pokedex doesn't make any sense.

If Muk is so poisonous, why doesn't anybody wear biosuits in Celadon City (where the Pokemon is uncommonly found)?

If Magcargo is hotter sun, why does life still exist in the Pal Park mountains? Why can't I beat Rhydon (who can only withstand 3,600 degrees) with it?

If an Alakazam has an IQ of 5000, why does it stay in a pokeball, say only its name, and why hasn't it developed technology to capture Mewtwo and all legendary Pokemon?

Are Tyranitars naturally calm? If not, why haven't they changed the landscape of Pal Park?

If Gyarados is such a city-buster, why didn't the Red one cause great levels of destruction at Lake of Rage?

If Drowzee can eat dreams, why can't it naturally learn Dream Eater?

One of Raichu's Pokedex entries mention Indian Elephants. Where are they in the Pokemon games? If real-life animals exist in the Pokemon world, why isn't there any non-Pokemon dogs and cats in any of the games?

If Xatu can see into the future, why can't it use this ability to defeat every Pokemon in existence (after all, it should know their every move).

Oh, this will be FUN!

1. Muk is toxic only at immediate contact. It does not ooze poison, it merely plague upon touch.

2. Concentrated heat. It does not emit that temperature, it just has that body temperature, and because it does not radiate its heat, life can continue to exist in its presence.

3. My cat can have an IQ of 20.000 and would still not be able to speak, because regardless of your IQ quantity, you still can not alter the physiology of your body. Just because my cat is smart, does not mean it can talk. A mute can not speak, not even if he is the smartest man in the world. If Alakazam can only say "Alakazam", it is because such is its physiology. It is not a legitimate argument to expect it able to talk just because of its IQ.

4. I do not get this one.

5. Because it did not, simple as that. What kind of question is that? Just because something is a city-buster, does not mean they bust city-scale stuff regularly. Why should they?

6. Game balance. You are chasing for straws. What? Do you think the Pokémon universe is as the game paint it out to be? Then you might want to involve Health Points in debates while you are at it. I believe Final Fantasy health bars span beyond hundreds of thousands. Poor Pokémon.

7. They bring up Indian Elephant for perspective. Something we can relate to. Are you this daft, or are you making an effort?

8. Ever seen the movie "Next"? Do. It might change your perspective on what limitations exist to future sight. There is only so much future sight can do for you.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

TP Link swordlocks Ganondorf, and wins, and he stops beast Ganon, he's stopped both forms of Ganon with comparable amounts of effort. We know that at the very least, beast Ganon is stronger than OoT Link. Therefore:
TP Link > Ganon > OoT Link.

Complete BS but what can I expect from the main Nintendo wanker?

TP Link requires Iron Boots to stop and lift Gorons and pull down a dragon. Link needed two arms to swing a ball and chain but a big knight only used one arm. TP Link is obviously far below the strength of the Golden Gauntlets.

OoT Ganon = TP Ganondorf? 😆 What a joke! You have no proof of that whatsoever. I on the other hand have proof:

YouTube video

We all know Ganondorf had the Triforce of Power. 1:00 shows Ganondorf use his magical triangle to transform into a greater form. Notice Ganon goes all physical here? He knows his magic is no help against Link so he uses his amp plus swords to try to overpower Link. Ganondorf has the same strength because he broke out of chains and made a non-flesh & blood being disintegrate? Even a Goron can do that.

OoT Ganon > TP Link
OoT Link with Golden Gauntlets > TP Link

To deny these facts only proves that you're in denial. Next, we're gonna see Link run as fast as a horse and the lollovelinkclub claiming he can speedblitz Sonic. 😂

Originally posted by Phantom Miria
[b]Oh, this will be FUN!

1. Muk is toxic only at immediate contact. It does not ooze poison, it merely plague upon touch.

Blue: Thickly covered with a filthy, vile sludge. It is so toxic, even its footprints contain poison.

Platinum: A toxic fluid seeps from its body. The fluid instantly kills plants and trees on contact.

FAIL!


2. Concentrated heat. It does not emit that temperature, it just has that body temperature, and because it does not radiate its heat, life can continue to exist in its presence.

That doesn't explain why its hotter than Magmortar which makes no sense.


3. My cat can have an IQ of 20.000 and would still not be able to speak, because regardless of your IQ quantity, you still can not alter the physiology of your body. Just because my cat is smart, does not mean it can talk. A mute can not speak, not even if he is the smartest man in the world. If Alakazam can only say "Alakazam", it is because such is its physiology. It is not a legitimate argument to expect it able to talk just because of its IQ.

Alakazam can use all forms of psychic abilities. Telepathy is a psychic ability. He can use that to speak human languages. You still haven't explained why the Pokemon has not made any advancement in civilization.


4. I do not get this one.

A Tyranitar's rampage, according to the Pokedex, knocks down mountains and buries river. They're also supposed to be careless about others. Why haven't they caused numerous changes in Pal Park (the only place to find wild Tyranitar)?


5. Because it did not, simple as that. What kind of question is that? Just because something is a city-buster, does not mean they bust city-scale stuff regularly. Why should they?

The Red Gyarados was angry. The Pokedex claims that they cause destruction in their wake. Why wasn't the area around the Lake of Rage up in flames?


6. Game balance. You are chasing for straws. What? Do you think the Pokémon universe is as the game paint it out to be? Then you might want to involve Health Points in debates while you are at it. I believe Final Fantasy health bars span beyond hundreds of thousands. Poor Pokémon.

Game balance? What kind of lame answer is that? That makes no sense especially since Drowzee and Hypno can be taught Dream Eater via TM. Do you honestly think they were thinking of game balance when they gave Amnesia to Mewtwo in R/B/Y?


7. They bring up Indian Elephant for perspective. Something we can relate to. Are you this daft, or are you making an effort?

So Pokemon scientists can break the 4th wall or peer into other dimensions? Gosh, I wonder why they haven't invented Arwings and Landmasters in the Pokeverse when the scientists can just make portals to the Star Fox universe.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Blue: Thickly covered with a filthy, vile sludge. It is so toxic, even its footprints contain poison.

Platinum: A toxic fluid seeps from its body. The fluid instantly kills plants and trees on contact.

FAIL!

Presumably it stays in the footprints, and is neither airborne nor acidic. I can't imagine Muk would move around much.


That doesn't explain why its hotter than Magmortar which makes no sense.

Why doesn't this make sense again? Please use a reason that isn't based on stats.


Alakazam can use all forms of psychic abilities. Telepathy is a psychic ability. He can use that to speak human languages. You still haven't explained why the Pokemon has not made any advancement in civilization.

Why the hell would you choose to speak to humans if you can share your exact feelings telepathically? Just make your intentions known.

Have you seen pokemon civilization? Teleportation, matter to energy, time machines... They're leagues ahead of us, and come pretty close to a utopia if not for some crazy terrorists.


A Tyranitar's rampage, according to the Pokedex, knocks down mountains and buries river. They're also supposed to be careless about others. Why haven't they caused numerous changes in Pal Park (the only place to find wild Tyranitar)?

Because they don't want to? Pal Park is like a nature preserve, and if kept happy enough, they won't rampage. Just because they don't care about others doesn't mean that they actively want to kill everything. That's where they live, and I assume they like it the way it is.


The Red Gyarados was angry. The Pokedex claims that they cause destruction in their wake. Why wasn't the area around the Lake of Rage up in flames?

Forced evolution, wasn't ready for its new power. Or kept its general outlook from the the Magikarp.


Game balance? What kind of lame answer is that? That makes no sense especially since Drowzee and Hypno can be taught Dream Eater via TM. Do you honestly think they were thinking of game balance when they gave Amnesia to Mewtwo in R/B/Y?

It can eat dreams, but not as an attack.


So Pokemon scientists can break the 4th wall or peer into other dimensions? Gosh, I wonder why they haven't invented Arwings and Landmasters in the Pokeverse when the scientists can just make portals to the Star Fox universe.

I doubt that was what she meant. Most likely, Elephants do exist in other parts of the world, where pokemon are less common. So far, all the regions have been based on Japanese islands, and the pokedex mentions Indian or African Elephants, indicating that those areas do exist.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It can eat dreams, but not as an attack.

What? I didn't know there were multiple ways to eat dreams. Are you basing this off of anything or are you just guessing?

Wasn't aware you had to be in battle to eat dreams.

I wanst' aware you could use a gameply machenic to try and disrpove a canon statment.

Hey that one was pretty legible. You must have worked on that one. 😛

Originally posted by TacDavey
What? I didn't know there were multiple ways to eat dreams. Are you basing this off of anything or are you just guessing?

Try to think of it like this: Does your pokemon know Bite or Crunch?

If yes, you're fine.
If no, your pokemon is unable to eat.

That's basically what you're doing. There are plenty of pokedex entries that make reference to pokemon eating, though many of these pokemon don't have the move to illustrate it.

Let's take, say, Sableye, since that's one of my favorites. It's pokedex entry says it digs to find the gems that it eats (one of the reasons I like Sableye is because it eats diamonds), but it learns neither Dig nor Bite naturally. Yes, Sableye can dig, that much is obvious. But it can't part the earth like water and pop up wherever the hell it wants, which is basically how the move Dig works, unless it is taught to do so.

Same with Drowzee. What Sin didn't mention is that Drowzee's pokedex also makes references to Drowzee eating human dreams, with no more side effects than an itchy nose or just not remembering the dream. This is decidedly non-harmful, unlike the move Dream Eater, which can harm an opponent pretty seriously, while healing Drowzee. So based on evidence, Drowzee does eat dreams, but can't exactly kill anything with it unless taught.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I wanst' aware you could use a gameply machenic to try and disrpove a canon statment.

Lmao. 😄 Drunk as a skunk.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Presumably it stays in the footprints, and is neither airborne nor acidic. I can't imagine Muk would move around much.

The fact that it stays in the footprints, proves that Muk leaves residue. Muk is a bio-hazard.


Why doesn't this make sense again? Please use a reason that isn't based on stats.

Magcargo is not as powerful as Magmortar. It has a lower special attack. The former most powerful Pokemon, Mewtwo, had the highest special attack. Stats are still canon enough to show the power of a Pokemon.

Alakazam has a high special attack because of his vast psychic abilities, fast speed because of he can teleport (and maybe use telekinesis to propel himself), and weak defense and low HP because of his frail body. It makes sense.


Why the hell would you choose to speak to humans if you can share your exact feelings telepathically? Just make your intentions known.

Same shit.


Have you seen pokemon civilization? Teleportation, matter to energy, time machines... They're leagues ahead of us, and come pretty close to a utopia if not for some crazy terrorists.

Still below Star Wars and Xenosaga civilizations. Well except for the time machine but even less civilized fictional places have that too.


Because they don't want to? Pal Park is like a nature preserve, and if kept happy enough, they won't rampage. Just because they don't care about others doesn't mean that they actively want to kill everything. That's where they live, and I assume they like it the way it is.

So those Pokemon don't become angry with each other? They're insolent creatures so they may have had a quarrel or two.


Forced evolution, wasn't ready for its new power. Or kept its general outlook from the the Magikarp.

In other words, it was out of control. It would be causing massive levels of destruction.


It can eat dreams, but not as an attack.

Dream Eater is eating dreams. The Pokemonn even recovers when using it successfully.


I doubt that was what she meant. Most likely, Elephants do exist in other parts of the world, where pokemon are less common. So far, all the regions have been based on Japanese islands, and the pokedex mentions Indian or African Elephants, indicating that those areas do exist.

Right and Lt. Surge is from the American army and Mew was discovered in the Andes Mountains (at least in Mewtwo's Origin).

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Lmao. 😄 Drunk as a skunk.

I like him better that way 😄

As long as he's not wrecking his computer 😕

Originally posted by The Scenario
Try to think of it like this: Does your pokemon know Bite or Crunch?

If yes, you're fine.
If no, your pokemon is unable to eat.

That's basically what you're doing. There are plenty of pokedex entries that make reference to pokemon eating, though many of these pokemon don't have the move to illustrate it.

Let's take, say, Sableye, since that's one of my favorites. It's pokedex entry says it digs to find the gems that it eats (one of the reasons I like Sableye is because it eats diamonds), but it learns neither Dig nor Bite naturally. Yes, Sableye can dig, that much is obvious. But it can't part the earth like water and pop up wherever the hell it wants, which is basically how the move Dig works, unless it is taught to do so.

Same with Drowzee. What Sin didn't mention is that Drowzee's pokedex also makes references to Drowzee eating human dreams, with no more side effects than an itchy nose or just not remembering the dream. This is decidedly non-harmful, unlike the move Dream Eater, which can harm an opponent pretty seriously, while healing Drowzee. So based on evidence, Drowzee does eat dreams, but can't exactly kill anything with it unless taught.

Okay, I can accept that answer.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The fact that it stays in the footprints, proves that Muk leaves residue. Muk is a bio-hazard.

That's not news.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Magcargo is not as powerful as Magmortar. It has a lower special attack. The former most powerful Pokemon, Mewtwo, had the highest special attack. Stats are still canon enough to show the power of a Pokemon.

Alakazam has a high special attack because of his vast psychic abilities, fast speed because of he can teleport (and maybe use telekinesis to propel himself), and weak defense and low HP because of his frail body. It makes sense.

When are you going to learn not to base things on stats?

As I've said before, stats make sense in relation to a Pokemon's abilities. But they don't make sense in relation to other Pokemon's abilities.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Same shit.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Still below Star Wars and Xenosaga civilizations. Well except for the time machine but even less civilized fictional places have that too.

Irrelevant.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
So those Pokemon don't become angry with each other? They're insolent creatures so they may have had a quarrel or two.

Pal Park is not loaded with Pokemon. Pokemon only go there when Trainers send them there from other regions. We haven't seen a lot of instances of Pokemon fighting. And I doubt anything but another Tyranitar would pick a fight with another Tyranitar.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
In other words, it was out of control. It would be causing massive levels of destruction.

What says it was out of control?

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Dream Eater is eating dreams. The Pokemonn even recovers when using it successfully.

Very good.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

When are you going to learn not to base things on stats?

As I've said before, stats make sense in relation to a Pokemon's abilities. But they don't make sense in relation to other Pokemon's abilities.

But Magcargo has high defense because of its body temperature and slow speed because it's a snail.


Pal Park is not loaded with Pokemon. Pokemon only go there when Trainers send them there from other regions. We haven't seen a lot of instances of Pokemon fighting. And I doubt anything but another Tyranitar would pick a fight with another Tyranitar.

But another Pokemon could anger it and cause a Tyranitar to rage.


What says it was out of control?

The Red Gyarados is a forced battle and Lance said something about calming it down.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
The Red Gyarados is a forced battle and Lance said something about calming it down.

This could also mean that it was heavily stressed.

Originally posted by Heythere,Honey
This could also mean that it was heavily stressed.

Which means it was burning down the forest?

Wait, what?

"If it was stressed and angry, why wasn't everything on fire?"

Is presumably what Sin meant. My answer would be that because the evolution was forced, the Magikarp was not ready for its powers and was unable to use them to their full potential.


But another Pokemon could anger it and cause a Tyranitar to rage.

"Could?" You're basing this on a "what if?" scenario?

How about the fact that since Pal Park is still standing, your "could" has not happened.